Chocobo dyeing R&D Thread - Post your results here!

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Originally Posted by Kahnom

And as the result i've got Rolanberry Red ! Maybe because green lower than blue.
Next Step i'll aim for Soot Black.after 30 min doing math i finally came up with answer.
1 Doman Plum 5 Mamook Pears 3 O'Ghomoro Berry.i've fed my bird with this excact order and the message "beginning to grow new feathers" pop at the very first fruit i fed.

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The result is Midnight Blue.at least its get closer to soot black and i'm really satisfy,i think i need a little more push.
Here is my Method | 3 Pineapple 2 Apple 2 Pear : feed in this order and get "grow feathers" message from first fruit to the last.
Will post the result in 6 hours before i go to bed.

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Originally Posted by Coris

At the moment, my chocobo doesn't accept plums, pears and berries :|
I think he wants to stay apple green /sigh

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apple green + plums (until new feathers are growing) should be celeste green.
At least mine turned from apple green to celeste green with plumes.

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Originally Posted by Felis

apple green + plums (until new feathers are growing) should be celeste green.
At least mine turned from apple green to celeste green with plumes.

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I got some pears growing and in the meantime I just gave him one of those listed before which were the cheapest xD
That's some expensive chocobo I am keeping here...
Well, Celeste Green would be a tad too bright for my likings (I think. Except there's an easy way to turn it darker from there)

Been checking the values and variables of people "dancing" around soot black and they seem to always land out of range and I have to say that I have no idea where the values on the Google doc are coming from but maybe they are not the right ones. I've been working with both the Doc and another one for reference: http://www.superslothdesign.com/chocobo/
Can't say for sure one is right and the other is not, but those reviewing their feeds and colors and not landing on black but always around is because maybe they should consider a middle point in between. Not saying it's just so, but maybe it helps to reconsider the values too, the formula seems to work quite well now.

On a side note, can someone clarify the proper +5/-5? The way it was worded as one going to 255 while the others to zero is a bit confusing especially when we say +5, means deeper, which means a lower value in fact.

Pears do +5/-5 what, etc?

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Originally Posted by Symbiant

I am starting to think it's a bit different then we originally thought. I gave mine plums until it gave the feathers message waited. It turned sylph green. I did the same thing again and it turned bone white. Did the same thing again and it went back to sylph green. Did it one more time to get bone white.

Current theory is there is only so many colors per feather change. For example 1 feather change using plums will only give you bone white and sylph green. If you do two feather changes in one feeding session it might put you into another color selection.

I did not continue the pattern I gave it some berries and it turned Celestial Green from Sylph green. This was only one feather growth. I gave more berries this morning until it gave the message. We will see what the next color is.

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I am beginning to wonder if there are "poor, good, excellent and failure" triggers for each feathers proc...

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Not too far from what I was after! A little more green, a little more blue... should be good. :3

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11 more pears with one message, 8 berries with 4 messages, and 2 plums with 2 messages later:

http://puu.sh/b7i6A/c2002a75b3.jpg

http://puu.sh/b7iZ3/c7e0c7ec61.jpg

I might just stay here. :3

It might be because of my eyes that are totally messed up but... Is it me or Ice blue and Celeste green are almost the same color?

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

all the "deepen hues" fruits

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So one of each, for 20 times, or 20/20/20 ?

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Originally Posted by Phyllo

It might be because of my eyes that are totally messed up but... Is it me or Ice blue and Celeste green are almost the same color?

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Celeste Green is the lightest in the blue/green range so there's not much difference really.

Kinda liking the effect this has with tidal barding though:

http://puu.sh/b7i8v/12222f921f.jpg

:3

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Originally Posted by Tatsuo

So one of each, for 20 times, or 20/20/20 ?

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just as you wish >_> it will have the same effect in the end, just the waiting time would change (6 hours if alll at once, 120 hours if 1/1/1 20 times). We can't guarantee though that 20 of each will get you black

I'm trying to get from Nophica Green to Deepwood Green. This is what I did but I don't know if it's enough. Any ideas?

4 Pear + 3 Berries + 2 Apples.

https://fbcdn-sphotos-g-a.akamaihd.n...58429203_o.jpg

To the questions directed at me, I apologize for not answering. I was sleeping >_<.

Basically though, ignore any fruits that do no give the message. They "don't count" as far as I can tell. Unless the result I got with ~25 fruits based on a calculation being the result I was aiming for was a complete fluke, that should be the key to figuring out how to traverse the colors, at least in a brute force kind of way.

Also, I've gone through like half a dozen colors changes on my chocobo now, and in this I noticed a pattern. Each time I started a new 6 hr countdown by feeding it, I always had the first 1-3 fruits give no feather notification. Once I finally got the notification though, I got it for every fruit I fed after it during the 6hr window.

There was one exception to this, and that was when the stable was in Poor condition. In that case I fed nearly 5 or so pears before I saw a message, and after it was still spotty with occasional fruits not going through.

Best of luck to everyone, especially those following my suggestions. I sincerely hope they work, because it may help shed a lot more light on what's going on in the system with a few more confirmations.

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Originally Posted by Shyluv

I got almost every red and a few purples. Can someone please try to help me get to Rolanberry red from Blood red?

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you're at blood red, so feed it berries til you see 1 new feather proc. the values of your bird will be at Dalamund red. from there feed it berries till you see the new feather message proc. and you should be right at rolanberry in one feeding. if you want to play it safe go one step at a time.

http://i60.tinypic.com/3500v9j.jpg

Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berris.
Stormfly's plumage will change in 6 hours.
Stomrfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!
Stormfly devours the bunch of O'Ghomoro berries.
Stormfly is begging to grow new feathers!

7 feeds, 5 change messages = Aldgoat Brown. I really want Raptor Blue, but so far have hit a brown of some shade four times now. I'm thinking I may need to take some red out, but according to the doc that tracks feeds (which I seem to have lost the link to) shoving just berries at it should result in some kind of blue. Do I need to give it more blue, or should I try taking out some red?

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Originally Posted by Keroa

you're at blood red, so feed it berries til you see 1 new feather proc. the values of your bird will be at Dalamund red. from there feed it berries till you see the new feather message proc. and you should be right at rolanberry in one feeding. if you want to play it safe go one step at a time.

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I did that as suggested by Angelusdemonus, and went to regal purple. I have now fed one apple and got the feather proc message. Starting to wonder if I maybe need to add one darken green feather proc message.

Or lighten green. I don't know. Out of the other red shades I have got, Rolanberry has less green in it than they do.

http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/f...014_102603.png

I initially wanted Lime Green and was successful in attaining it after two feedings (8 Mamook pears altogether). Now that I'm there, it's not quite as vibrant as I was hoping. So I want to get to Hunter Green. Should I just feed it more Mamook pears? Or do I need to add any other fruits?

So, after reading a lot of what others have done and trying to work it out myself, I'm pretty sure this is how the system works:

Like others have said:
Apples = +R -G -B
Plums = -R +G +B
Berries = -R -G +B
Pineapples = +R +G -B
Pears = -R +G -B
Valfruits = +R -G +B

1. The amount the colors shift with each feeding is random. Supporting Evidence: Some people have fed one food item and received a change, others have fed the same food item and not received a change.
2. The colors do not shift proportionally, meaning, one feeding of an Apple could reduce Green considerably and blue barely at all, and another feeding could reduce Green by a tiny amount and blue considerably. Supporting Evidence: Different people have fed their chocobos Berries until the first New Feathers message and received either Cork Brown or Ul Brown.
3. The "New Feathers" message means the current RGB value matches a different dye color than the previous RGB value so a change will occur. Colors have always changed when the "New Feathers" message has appeared. Colors have never changed when the message did not appear.
4. Once the "New Feathers" message has appeared, future feedings will result in the "New Feathers" message happening every time even if there is not a second dye shift, because the new color is still different from the old one. However, if the new color shifts such that it now matches your current color, you will stop getting the "New Feathers message." Stopping feeding right then will result in no change occurring. Supporting Evidence: Every feeding after a message appears results in another message appearing, except when oscillating between two colors or going backwards with a counteracting snack. No proof found for or against the second point.
5. The color approximation code can bounce back and forth between two adjacent colors when small changes are made, probably because the color balance matters as much as the color values. Supporting Evidence: Feeding a chocobo nothing but Plums until the "New Feathers" message can result in bouncing back and forth between Sylph Green (R:182 G:182 B:131) and Bone White (R:233 G:208 B:154). (The value could have gone something like 216/175/100 (Sylph Green) -> 216/175/120 (Bone White) -> 216/200/120 (Sylph Green) -> 216/200/150 (Bone White))

So, all of this means that exact methods of getting from one color to another are not that helpful. What's more helpful is a chart that says which fruits are likely to get you from your current color to your desired color. Similar to the color wheels that have been posted, but with the dyes plotted on them. Unfortunately, this would take a three dimensional representation, as there are three axes.

If #5 is correct, then the person who is oscillating between Sylph Green and Bone White will eventually reach Snow White with just plums. Their goal would be basically equalizing the three colors at some value like 200/200/200 (Snow White is actually a light grey). Throwing in a few Valfruits will likely help too to get the red up some.

Also, if my theory is correct, please note that Soot Black (37/35/30) is NOT the darkest color in the game. Ink Blue (22/26/34), Deepwood Green (25/36/28), and Kobold Brown (42/28/23) are darker, but less balanced. If you're trying to go from Ink Blue to Soot Black, you can deepen Red and Green, or you can lighten Blue a tiny bit. For Deepwood Green, you'd want to either deepen Red and Blue, or lighten Green a small amount. Same with Kobold Brown - either lighten the Red or darken the Blue and Green. If you darken just one color, or darken all three colors, you're more likely to wind up with another one of these three dark colors (or other dark colors if your balance is different) than with Soot Black.

Yes it is a nice color (ice blue/Celeste green I mean), at first I wanted white but it's more like a really light grey so I went back to this one :/
Too bad there is no real pure bright white

https://38.media.tumblr.com/ead0181f...xf4o1_1280.png

Ice Blue after a first session of 15 plums and 12 valfruit.
My second session will consist of pineapples (6, I hear) to try and get Snow White.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Once the "New Feathers" message has appeared, future feedings will result in the "New Feathers" message happening every time even if there is not a second dye shift, because the new color is still different from the old one. Supporting Evidence: Every feeding after a message appears results in another message appearing.

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I can confirm this to be false.

I'm back at Hunter Green and I need to get to soot black... Anyone have any suggestions on what to feed next?

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

I want to get to Hunter Green. Should I just feed it more Mamook pears? Or do I need to add any other fruits?

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You are at 166/171/77 and want to get to 34/68/38. That's a big shift. If I'm right about how things work, you want to focus on Pears to drop the red and the blue, and Berries to slow the blue down and drop the green. You want probably relatively equal quantities of both, but more Pears in the end. But, if I'm right, the amount that the values are dropped is random, so you'll have to re-evaluate when you get to the darker colors. You will likely want some Apples too to speed the drop of all three colors, but less Apples than the rest.

You'll probably go through a bunch of other colors on the way. Meadow Green might be one of the first you hit on your way down. If you hit Adamantoise, Ochu, or Norphica, you want to lessen the Berries and increase the Pears. If you reach Norphica, you have the green exactly where you want it, but too much red and blue. So, just a few Pears and no more Berries should get you there. If you hit Olive Green, it would mean you still have too much Red (feed Pears and Berries equally). If you get Marsh Green, it means you have equal green and red and too little blue (again, Pears+Berries is good, but you might also want to throw in a couple Plums to get the Blue up). If you reach Deepwood Green, you had the right proportions of things, but overshot Hunter Green by lowering the green too much. A few Plums and Pineapples should get the green back up without affecting the other two too much.

So, start with Pears + Berries, and then re-evaluate after some color changes. Don't worry too much about getting random colors on the way, as long as all three values are trending downward, you're on the right track.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I can confirm this to be false.

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Then you went back to your current color from a new color. Did you stop when you did not have a message as the last thing, and did the color still change? If I'm right, the color would not have changed in that case. If I'm wrong, it still would have.

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Originally Posted by Philio

I'm back at Hunter Green and I need to get to soot black... Anyone have any suggestions on what to feed next?

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Apples and Berries, but more Apples than Berries.

edited: I'm just going to revert back to default color since lemons are really cheap now on our server and then it will be much easier to hit sunset orange.

Stable condition: good
Training during transformation: 1 time, Krakka root
Feed: Mamook Pearsx7, fed until I got message that he was growing new feathers
result: lime green

https://fbcdn-sphotos-a-a.akamaihd.n...94190100_o.jpg

Desert Yellow (start) - 6 red, 9 green, 3 blue
Millicorn Yellow -1 red
Coeurl Yellow - 6 red, 6 blue
Pumpkin Orange

So my Coeurl Yellow turned Pumpkin Orange. At least I'm getting closer to Dalamud!

Just Fed him 3 Apples and 2 Berries. Should I feed more or see what happens?

Current Color: Hunter Green R34 G68 B38

Desired Color: Soot Black R37 G35 B30

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Originally Posted by Esutiben

Abysal RGB 43 39 80
Midnight RGB 20 21 49

Try 3 apple, 3 pears, 5 berries.

You need to deepen all of them, blue slightly more so.

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not sure if you are reading other peoples data but i posted on my experimenting.
Abyssal + 1pear = Royal Blue
Royal Blue + 1pineapple= Storm Blue

I went back and forth between those colors twice.

Here's my progress so far:

Desert Yellow (216, 175, 80)
Apple x8, Pear x8, Berry x8
Halatali Yellow (159, 125, 42)
Apple x12, Pear x12, Berry x12
Opo-Opo Brown (116, 85, 39)
Apple x5, Pear x5, Berry x3
Orchard Brown (93, 59, 18)
Apple x3
Mesa Red (118, 51, 4)
Berry x1
Orchard Brown (93, 59, 18)
Berry x2
Rust Red (91, 29, 5)
Berry x3
Wine Red (62, 17, 14)
Plum x2
Loam Brown (56, 45, 35)
Apple x1, Pear x1, Berry x1
Kobold Brown (42, 28, 23)
Plum x1

That plum should get me to Soot Black. Will confirm in 6 hours.

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Originally Posted by Nyalia

Then you went back to your current color from a new color. Did you stop when you did not have a message as the last thing, and did the color still change? If I'm right, the color would not have changed in that case. If I'm wrong, it still would have.

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I suppose it may have gone back to the old color if I was in a range where there were few dye colors to chose from. However, it happened while I was feeding only pears and apples. I didn't stop on a fruit with no message though.

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Originally Posted by Philio

I'm back at Hunter Green and I need to get to soot black... Anyone have any suggestions on what to feed next?

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I suggest:

Apples x3
Berries x2

Again, start feeding berries or apples until you see a feather message. Count that towards the above. After that, continue to count ONLY fruits that yield the new feathers message towards the above recipe. Also, make sure the stable condition is Good.

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Originally Posted by NoctisUmbra

I suppose it may have gone back to the old color if I was in a range where there were few dye colors to chose from. However, it happened while I was feeding only pears and apples. I didn't stop on a fruit with no message though.

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I need someone to get the feathers changing message, then go "backwards," not get the message, and stop. I described in my post how you can go "backwards" with a single snack by altering the color balance, then restoring the color balance to what it was. Unfortunately, (if I'm right) this is very hard to trigger on purpose...

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Originally Posted by lyricmacabre

I would wait to see what you get- and then depending on that, maybe add some red if you feel it needs it, although keep in mind blue + red = purple.

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Indeed, I fed my bird more berries and will wait to see what happens in a few hours. Eight berries this time with seven change procs.

Starting with the Desert Yellow

Fed pears until message: Lime Green
Fed pears until message: Apple Green
Fed 30+ pears with no message so waited the 6hrs
Fed O'berries until message: Cactuar Green
Fed O'berries until message: Turquoise Green

I just fed it apples so we will see what happens now but I'm going for Morbol Green eventually.

Here's my progress so far.

Starting Color: Coeurl Yellow Feed:[16 (14 feathers) berries, 6 apples, 9 pears]
182 129 3
First Color: Shale Brown Feed:[2 apple, 2 berries, 4 pears (1 feather)]
140 122 101
Second Color:Cactuar Green Feed:[2 apples (1 feather), 2 berries]
94 123 58
Third Color: Qiqirn Brown Feed:[2 berry, 2 pear, 2 apple]
147 103 56
Fourth Color: Moss Green Feed:[6 berry, 3 pear, 3 apple]
105 108 33
Current Color: Mud Green Feed:[4 berry, 2 pear, 2 apple] Waiting...
81 75 42


Desired Color: Soot Black
37 35 30

Here are my results thus far:

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Shiroi
1st Feed: Doman Plum x7 -- Sylph Green
2nd Feed: Doman Plum x8, Pinapple x6, Valfruit x12 -- Bone White
3rd Feed: Valfruit x1 -- Snow White

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Ranbu
1st Feed: Valfruit x3 -- No change
2nd Feed: Xelphatol Apple x22, O'Ghomoro Berry x3 -- Sunset Orange
3rd Feed: Xelphatol Apple x7, Mamook Pear x5, O'Ghomoro Berry x3 -- Blood Red
4th Feed: Mamook Pear x8 -- ???
Trying for Mesa Red

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Fleur
1st Feed: Xelphatol Apple x21, Mamook Pear x29, O'Ghomoro Berry x7 -- Qiqirn Brown
2nd Feed: Xelphatol Apple x4, Mamook Pear x3 -- Acorn Brown
3rd Feed: Xelphatol Apple x9, Mamook Pear x15, Cieldalaes Pineapple x1 -- ???
Trying for Soot Black

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So.. addicted. I need more chocobo. :o

My journey to slate grey from the base color:

O'Ghomoro Berry x21, Xelphatol Apple x7, Mamook Pear x7 (as per this: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...view?sle=true#) (DID NOT TURN SLATE GREY, ENDED UP PLUM PURPLE. Knowing what I know now this was pretty obviously going to happen)

Then 5x pears to get to ceruleum blue.

Then 1 plum, 1 valfruit, and 1 pineapple to slate grey.

Desert yellow -> plum purple -> ceruleum blue -> slate grey.

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Originally Posted by reivaxe

Ok, tried this.

5 of each.
Red- 5/5 message
Blue- 5/5 message
Green- 4/5 message
Rank 4- Stable is Good

Lets see how this looks in the morning!

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Got Blood Red :v ...
Guessing I would need to beef up the green a bit and the blue a few bits for black. Hope my fruits are ready soon ... don't wanna use up all our stock.

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Originally Posted by Shyluv

Went back to regal purple. Apples with one feather change might do it?

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If you get stuck in a loop, I would maybe try Pineapples to get blue values a little lower...they might be too high that you're jumping from Blood Red > Regal Purple.

When I got from Blood Red > Dalamud Red, my chocobo had zero addition of blue values (pure apple feed), and it took 3 total berries to get to Dalamud Red. As mentioned before, the steps I've seen from various posts can be: Blood Red > Dalamud Red > Rolanberry Red > Regal Purple > Royal Blue. (or backwards with apples starting from Royal Blue).

So yeah, if anything, I would focus on slightly lightening blue values. Keep red values high up there.

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Originally Posted by LyricalMelody

I am beginning to wonder if there are "poor, good, excellent and failure" triggers for each feathers proc...

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I am sure its possible. I just found it odd that I was able to flip between the two colors multiple time using the same fruit. They are both on the opposite side of the scale to boot.