Sorry Yoshi, but if you award the best weapon in the game by winning the lottery...

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

It would be different. Being better or worse is subjective and all depends on the devs goals. If the devs wanted a hook, even if a longshot, for anyone that was already fully Alex Savage geared, then only way to bring them over would had been something better than what they have that is not acquirable in any other way.

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Actually i275 would have been objectively better, and not really all that different. It would please all demographics and would have not caused this storm both in game and on the forums (a storm that I might add gives diadem and the future of the game a bad reputation). It would A) please the raiders who have another means of gearing alt jobs (as the RNG would be less taxing), and B) it would give another means of catchup to casual players (as it is an endgame weapon that isn't as taxing as anima or raid), and it would be a good weapon that doesn't outgear endgame.

Making it i280 does nothing except shift the endgame goalpost, we already had an endgame which was i275, that is still valuable regardless of where you are at in raid. I also had another solution to this, although its implementation is a pipe dream:

What if we had an i275 weapon that had random stats (the point values being equivilent to anima and relic), AND increased spiritbond gain as a passive. One thing that will not become irrelevant in stormblood is materia, and having a weapon that aids with materia gathering is both fitting for diadem, and a form of sideways progression, THAT is very much incentive that does not invalidate the other weapons. This weapon would be gathered by collecting 3 "broken coven pieces" which would be dropped the same way the weapons are currently, and traded to an NPC for a job of your choice.

Edit: to add to the above, make the missions more frequent, and maybe drop more than one broken coven piece.

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Originally Posted by thegreatonemal

No your voices are falling of deaf ears because you have no concept of design and are being overly paranoid for no reason. you all sound as bad as the people made that the relic replaced their a12 weapon. its not a precedent its bait to do the new revamp

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I could write you a design thesis on why the i280 weapon is badly designed, with charts and graphs and background research into MMO psycology and sociology, would that help show that it isn't just paranoia?

I'm quitting the game because my relic weapon isn't stronger than the diadem weapon :^) what's the point of raiding now even though it's going to be obsolete in 3 month's when storm blood comes out :^D

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Originally Posted by FreyaKrescent

I'm quitting the game because my relic weapon isn't stronger than the diadem weapon :^) what's the point of raiding now even though it's going to be obsolete in 3 month's when storm blood comes out :^D

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Clearly you read the first post and nothing else. Spare us the attempt at being funny. You're not the first one to say that, but you are just as ill informed as anyone else who said it. I suggest you read up a bit.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

It would be different. Being better or worse is subjective and all depends on the devs goals. If the devs wanted a hook, even if a longshot, for anyone that was already fully Alex Savage geared, then only way to bring them over would had been something better than what they have that is not acquirable in any other way.

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There are different ways to do this though and not step on raiding and alex weapons and still accomplish giving people a hook. You could buff the other weapons to i280 as well, maybe make it require the same type of rare drop that drops from emergency or item(s) that costs a lot of spoils in addition to raid clears and something that makes sense for anima. Instead of RNG they could also perhaps go for "Clear the emergency mission 20 times," or something.

You don't need to step on other forms of progression to provide a hook.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

The AFK fest has more to do with the current setup and how all the pink 260 gear is awarded. People go in, stick around through the main mission, get their reward (they don't even have to do anything to get it so long as enough people do their thing) and leave with maybe a new i260 piece of armor. A fix to the AFK would be if, like fates, every member of the raid was ranked, and only rewarded if they actually participated on the mission.

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I'm not talking about AFKing before the missions are done. I'm talking about afterwards when people are fishing for emergency.

One of the reasons is because it is not efficient to do FATEs at all after the mission is completed unless they are boss FATEs. The above ground FATEs give such a miniscule amount of lockboxes combined with the fact that some people go gathering make it even less efficient. A fury clear gives about 400 guaranteed (10 boxes which is equivalent to 400 damaged) plus 4 spoils. It's more efficient to just drop and requeue if boxes or spoils are your objective.

Since FATEs are mostly pointless, the only thing left is emergency. Since the devs seem to have given an indication that it is mostly random, why do anything if it doesn't increase chances. Maybe there is something we are missing to spawning it, but so far people go AFK because they might believe that doing anything else doesn't increase the chances.

That seems like a recipe for AFKing to me.

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Originally Posted by Lambdafish

Actually i275 would have been objectively better, and not really all that different. [...] It would A) please the raiders who have another means of gearing alt jobs [...] B) it would give another means of catchup to casual players

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That would had only worked as a lure for people that want to gear a different job. I cant tell without data how proliferate this is, but I know people that will only bother maxing out one job: the main they love. Everything else is stuff they do when there is nothing else to progress toward that main job. Another i275 would had meant nothing for them, I doubt the lure of lucking out on random stats being better would had meant much for them.

You COULD make the argument an i280 belt would had done the same without "invalidating" Anima or Alex Metal weapons (I don't agree with the invalidating mindset personally but that's beyond the point.) It still would need to be super rare, though.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

That would had only worked as a lure for people that want to gear a different job.

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Which is what % of the playerbase? How many people have all of the jobs that they want with an i275 weapon? And of that % how many people are excited about an i280 weapon? I would hypothosize that the community of people where i280 is better than i275 is extremely small. On top of that, after spending all their hard earned time on a relic weapon or anima, why would raiders be excited about another weapon that as people keep saying will be outdated before they even have a hope of getting one (because this is a lottery, not a test of skill or a grind). Even if people weren't upset, the reward itself, as I keep being reminded, is inherently pointless, and all it has done is give us a good view at reckless design decisions.

My idea above would provide far more incentive to raiders (with a lower ilvl to boot) without compromising the reward structure, and I would expect the qualified and paid designers of this game, who should know the games structure inside out, to be able to do a better job than a lowely forum dweller mashing his keyboard for 5 minutes.

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Originally Posted by Vaer

There are different ways to do this though and not step on raiding and alex weapons and still accomplish giving people a hook. You could buff the other weapons to i280 as well, maybe make it require the same type of rare drop that drops from emergency or item(s) that costs a lot of spoils in addition to raid clears and something that makes sense for anima.

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Making sure ONLY raiders and maxed anima ever care to try the emergency mission.

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Instead of RNG they could also perhaps go for "Clear the emergency mission 20 times," or something.

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And everyone would have it I in a week.

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It's more efficient to just drop and requeue if boxes or spoils are your objective.

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I think you can't re-enter for half an hour after you first entered, so not an option until that timer runs out, may as well stay there AFK until the EM pops or timer runs out.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

Making sure ONLY raiders and maxed anima ever care to try the emergency mission.

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Never said to remove the i280 weapon.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

And everyone would have it I in a week.

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It was an example. They could make it RNG just as well. It should be balanced so that all 3 options are comparable time sinks. I really doubt everyone is going to get 20 clears in 1 week though.

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Originally Posted by Ogulbuk

I think you can't re-enter for half an hour after you first entered, so not an option until that timer runs out, may as well stay there AFK until the EM pops or timer runs out.

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Exactly. Might as well go AFK. That's my point. It's a recipe for AFKing.

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Originally Posted by ThirdChild_ZKI

That aside, I made the point previously that there were people that got one on the first day; that negates the time argument. You can be dead most of the fight and still be that lucky winner; that negates the effort argument. And let's face it, the Diadem hardly takes the same amounts of skill that perhaps raiding would. So there goes skill.

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The calculations were BS anyway... i have 10 jobs who could use such a weapon, will be 12 in a month.
All those jobs have lower weapons than the Diadem one.

My chance to obtain a 280 weapon I'd have a use for is about 1/72.

The chance to gear a specific, choosen job is low... but who cares? The chance to obtain 3 different ones is quite high.

On average I'd guess it's easier to obtain a 280 weapon for a random class than to recieve the Zurvan bird.

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Originally Posted by Neophyte

My chance to obtain a 280 weapon I'd have a use for is about 1/72.

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per successful emergency mission. Whats the chance of getting an emergency mission?