The arrogance of some people

There's even a whm cutscene where a healer is refusing to DPS and it is causing problems and people are dying... healers ARE expected to throw out some damage too! If you are ONLY healing you are likely just standing around doing nothing a lot of the time OR you are overhealing needlessly. Of course it also depends on the quality of tank you get. If they aren't using defensive cooldowns at all, or are pulling ridiculous amounts of mobs in an untested roulette team your mileage may vary. Still, starting out a pull with SCH dots, AST dots, or regen and a bunch of holy spams is quite doable and helpful. It does take a while to get used to the speed necessary to pull it off, and keep people alive. Mostly just a lot of additional playtime.

That said, the SMN had no business demanding you play the way you wanted. Play the way your are comfortable, and try to adjust to what people expect as you can. Failing that, votekick, ignore, or leave. Usually I just ignore them completely like I don't hear them. Shame there isn't cross server blacklists.

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Originally Posted by Alahra

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That reminds me when I had a Tank call me and the other Ninja lazy for not using Shadewalker during the start of the twin knight phase (2nd or 3rd phase? The one where the knights have to be split up) to help him get aggro on the knight (because you definitely need help building up aggro). Is there actually a use for using Shadewalker there other than fucking the entire thing up? I used it on him hoping I'd get pulled to the other knight intending to burst that one with as much DPS hoping the other tank not the best, and then have that knight murder that tank and then call him out, but luckily things went his way and I was stuck on that knight. The initial burst was over, so it's not like I could have ripped aggro off a decent tank anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dorander

Well, you know we Ninjas have to also manage others threat and TP, while keeping up our own dots, and debuffs. Though with most of these healers argument, that's completely optional.. so why should I bother anymore? I think I'll just stick to using my level 1 ability over and over and over again. I just want to dps. I didn't sign up for that other stuff.

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That's cool, you really don't have to. Seriously, you don't. I mean, with the tank and healer playing the roll of dps, it's like you don't even exist. I mean, you can do all that stuff, it would make the dungeon go faster if you did, but it's optional. I mean, hell, healers are required to dps so you don't have to.

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Originally Posted by RuleofThree

That's cool, you really don't have to. Seriously, you don't. I mean, with the tank and healer playing the roll of dps, it's like you don't even exist. I mean, you can do all that stuff, but it's optional. I mean, hell, healers are required to dps so you don't have to.

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(hey, psst, that's not how it works. stop being salty and read what good points are being made in this thread so your responses don't make you sound petulant)

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Originally Posted by Odett

(hey, psst, that's not how it works. stop being salty and read what good points are being made in this thread so your responses don't make you sound petulant)

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True story, he makes it sound like either

a) There is a hard cap on DPS, so if a healer DPS's more then a DPS can sit around because you can't get any more DPS anyway, or
b) He is a bad player and likes to promote bad playing mentality

I am sure it's neither, but that is how it comes across.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

...There's good points being made? All I've seen over these 40 pages is that people classed as DPS don't know how to dps apparently, even in savage and need to be carried by healers.

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Selective reading? I've only read pages here or there (probably half in total) and have not seen a single post suggesting this. I've just seen a lot of healers saying they don't want to DPS and others saying that there is little to no reason for them to not DPS in most situations.

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Originally Posted by Odett

(hey, psst, that's not how it works. stop being salty and read what good points are being made in this thread so your responses don't make you sound petulant)

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...There's good points being made? All I've seen over these 40 pages is that people classed as DPS don't know how to dps apparently, even in savage and need to be carried by healers.

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Originally Posted by RuleofThree

That's cool, you really don't have to. Seriously, you don't. I mean, with the tank and healer playing the roll of dps, it's like you don't even exist. I mean, you can do all that stuff, it would make the dungeon go faster if you did, but it's optional. I mean, hell, healers are required to dps so you don't have to.

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I would just like to remind everyone that each dungeon has objectives that are the same for all members of the group: they don't change based on your role. You role exists to give you priorities but the goal is to clear the objectives by whatever means necessary, which includes helping your team out in ways that don't necessary fall into your (arbitrary and subjective) "job-description". If you're not trying to clear the objectives but have devolved into coloring in the lines of your "role" that you picked for yourself, you're doing it wrong. And this goes for all the roles, not just the healer.

So....will we come back here again after 3.2 comes? At least put a spin on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

...There's good points being made? All I've seen over these 40 pages is that people classed as DPS don't know how to dps apparently, even in savage and need to be carried by healers.

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That is NOT the point. The point is, there are times in content when healers stand around doing absolutely nothing. They should contribute with all those DPS moves that they have. They can easily stop DPSing to heal when heals are needed, it's not hard. Healers are not being asked to carry anyone, they're asked not to be lazy and stand still or emote or whatever that isn't helping the run at all in any way when heals are not required. Any little extra helps, it's not about turning them into DPS themselves, but to contribute in their down time.

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Originally Posted by Thunda_Cat_SMASH

...There's good points being made? All I've seen over these 40 pages is that people classed as DPS don't know how to dps apparently, even in savage and need to be carried by healers.

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Carried by healers? Nah, it's legitimately necessary for healers (and tanks) to DPS in the later half of Savage. Unless you're implying the DPS of groups like Elysium and Lucrezia are sub par.