An open discsusion on the consequences of death

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•Not currently planning on having a loss of SP/XP at this point in time

Please discuss the above points and any comments such as the below would be really helpful:

•[SIZE="5"]This penalty is weak![/SIZE]
•This is perfect!
•[SIZE="5"]Do something else![/SIZE]

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Yes to SP/XP loss. Yoshi-P propsed penalty is weak! Do something else! (SP/XP loss)

Also add char decapitation, like when you get hurt by monsters you lose arm/legs/head and your gear is lost forever. same thing for weapons. also they should make it so when you lose a part of your body, you cannot play the game at all for a certain period of time like a week/month until some alchemist grew a new arm or cloned your body and switched your soul from your old body to your new body. Also, there should be an anima reset to 0 every time you die.

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Originally Posted by Luluna

Anyone who wants the death exp loss a mage? I am not one but i know a few who would be level 10 again real quick because of the hate they pull when curing, enfeebling, buffs etc >.<

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You must have really, really bad tanks :D

Anyway, I'm seriously amazed by the fact that some people really think that a mere timesink like experience-based penalty will instill "fear" of death in the hearts of people. Might work one or two times, then it becomes routine like everything else.

Unless you lose something permanently (which is obviously not practical nor acceptable in this kind of environment), there's nothing that does that. Death has long been a negligible element in videogames, and there's nothing wrong with it.

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Originally Posted by Vesper

If you really feel like a harsher penalty is needed, take it upon yourself to punch yourself in the crotch. If you die multiple times punch your an additional time until you are finally out of a weakened state...

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I strongly support this solution.
Too many people would like to impose fun-less time sinks on everyone in the name of their hardcore nostalgia.

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

Also add char decapitation, like when you get hurt by monsters you lose arm/legs/head and your gear is lost forever. same thing for weapons. also they should make it so when you lose a part of your body, you cannot play the game at all for a certain period of time like a week/month until some alchemist grew a new arm or cloned your body and switched your soul from your old body to your new body. Also, there should be an anima reset to 0 every time you die.

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Aaaaah now you're exaggerating. Fingers and toes and a flogging should be sufficient. :)

@ Abriael at the moment our group does not have a tank, although i do know that hate is still a issue i am not a mage myself but have seen crazy hate control with mobs even with a tank.

I don't really understand why there's such a huge debate over death penalties, many of the other MMORPGs out there are plenty successful without putting much thought into death. In fact, the most successful MMO out there (WoW) barely has a death penalty at all. Now, I'm not one to try and push WoW topics as the "right thing to do" but I think the FFXIV development team have bigger things to worry about right now?

As for my opinion, I think the current system is fine. When I die, I lose time, and my time is very valuable to me (maybe not as valuable to others). Yoshi-P's suggestions are fine though, too. I worry for a game that lacks content/progression, storytelling, quests, and class uniqueness when the community (and devs) prioritize something as silly as death penalty.

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Originally Posted by Vesper

If you really feel like a harsher penalty is needed, take it upon yourself to punch yourself in the crotch. If you die multiple times punch your an additional time until you are finally out of a weakened state...

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This is full of win lmao.

Player1: What happened to *insert name here*?

Player2: O he's a super hardcore player and he just died 3 times.

Player1: So why is he not moving?

Player2: He puched himself in the nuts constantly so now hes unconscious.

Player1: O so he's an idiot.

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Originally Posted by Ava

I don't really understand why there's such a huge debate over death penalties, many of the other MMORPGs out there are plenty successful without putting much thought into death. In fact, the most successful MMO out there (WoW) barely has a death penalty at all. Now, I'm not one to try and push WoW topics as the "right thing to do" but I think the FFXIV development team have bigger things to worry about right now?

As for my opinion, I think the current system is fine. When I die, I lose time, and my time is very valuable to me (maybe not as valuable to others). Yoshi-P's suggestions are fine though, too. I worry for a game that lacks content/progression, storytelling, quests, and class uniqueness when the community (and devs) prioritize something as silly as death penalty.

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To me sometimes it sounds like some people want the game to fail miserably by adding more unneeded restrictions into it. Most of the posts I read about SP/EXP penalty don't have a real argument in them.
If they wanted more challenge, just ask for more challenging mobs. Death penalty doesn't add anything to the challenge, it just add annoyance during a challenging fight.

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Originally Posted by Luluna

@ Abriael at the moment our group does not have a tank, although i do know that hate is still a issue i am not a mage myself but have seen crazy hate control with mobs even with a tank.

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Not sure about others, but personally I find hate management quite doable, while challenging (and I do think a challenge is a good thing). Probably you had experiences with pretty bad tanks.

I've actually observed quite a few other gladiators "at work" though (mostly the "I'm higher level! I'll tank!" type),and I did notice that many can't manage their stamina, wasting it by spamming attacks and then remaining without when they need a taunt/provoke. Some others fire all their taunts in a row at the beginning of the fight, weakening their long-run aggro. The problem here is that many, many players still didn't learn how to tank.

But yeah, you do need a tank to begin with :D

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Originally Posted by Luluna

Anyone who wants the death exp loss a mage? I am not one but i know a few who would be level 10 again real quick because of the hate they pull when curing, enfeebling, buffs etc >.<

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Yes I am, I dont exactly "want" an sp loss upon death change, but I wouldnt mind it. I just want there to be some sort of challenge/risk/danger involved in this game.