Glowing weapons

Glowing weapons on the condition my armor is glowing as well, I wanna be like a moving ball of light.

Whats that!? UFO!?

Nah, thats just a Lalafell wearing glowing armor.

I'd support this under the conditions that it is used as an aura effect on the weapon that lingers after connecting with the enemy. I'd vote for enspells having this effect.

waaw glowing weapons! omg this is what i've wanted all along!!! omg!

Can we get shoulder pads with demon wings and lightning smoke as well?

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Originally Posted by Rhianu

Uh... no, they aren't. This is a fantasy game with magic. Glowing things couldn't be any more at home in such a setting.

Besides, a "glow" is nothing more than light, and there is no such thing as a game where light looks out of place.

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Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean glowing weapons automatically fit. These things have sub genres. That's like saying light sabres would be at home in Star Trek.

Glowing weapons are more fitting of fairytale fantasy. XIV is more of a high fantasy thing. If a sword does glow, it's because it's an ancient one of a kind deal that just would not do well in an MMO unless an NPC used it. Think sting in LotR.

Seeing 20 or so guys running around with Ifrit's Butter Knife kinda ruins its importance as an ancient weapon of great power.

If something is cool, it is cool, anything well executed in entertaining to me. While rainu wow pic looks kind of over the top, the aion scythe looks pretty well designed. soooo, yeah. Long as they have options, its all good. I honestly would love some burning fists on a monk type charachter.

dude dont u guys know that frodo glowed in the dark and Gandalf was a 100Watt lightbulb, seriously. If we cant have glowing weapons in a fantasy setting, what CAN we have? Next thing you'll be telling me my spiky shoulder pads and angel wings of doom are TACKY!

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

dude dont u guys know that frodo glowed in the dark and Gandalf was a 100Watt lightbulb, seriously. If we cant have glowing weapons in a fantasy setting, what CAN we have? Next thing you'll be telling me my spiky shoulder pads and angel wings of doom are TACKY!

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you know something about real settings, they have a bunch of crap that you find tacky in it. If you go to the store, not everything there is for you, you may find hawaian shirts tacky, but guess what some people wear em all the time. Its ridiculous that you think a game that is supposed to span at least 4 different cultures, is all going to have the same visual bias. I see glow in the dark crap all over black shroud, heck even trees glow, i dont think its that crazy that some gridanian might say, damn im gonna through some glowy magic shit on that sword, because we just like glowy magic shit.

think of the amount of different cultures that have used body paint or tattoos, and the variety between them, do you really think if dudes could make shit glow reliably, they wouldnt put that stuff on gear?
We got dudes in this game who put gemstones into their heads. why is luminescence the end of the world

I'm in the black shroud right now.

The only things I've seen glow are a few lanterns.

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Originally Posted by Physic

If something is cool, it is cool, anything well executed in entertaining to me. While rainu wow pic looks kind of over the top, the aion scythe looks pretty well designed. soooo, yeah. Long as they have options, its all good. I honestly would love some burning fists on a monk type charachter.

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The Aion weapon isnt that bad of a glow, but the way WoW does it is the way many other MMORPGs do it, and glowing weapons really just aren't as great as the bare metal weapons we currently have. I like the weapons in FFXIV the way they are just come up with some more designs. I can easily see a water-elemental Sword being introduced similar to Tidus's Brotherhood. Transparent, unique... It can easily be done without havng to resort to using the flametongue sword model and making it glow a blue color.

Glowing weapons will allow for a company to be dull and non-creative with their games. I think we are trying to direct FFXIV in the opposite direction, aren't we?

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Originally Posted by Physic

you know something about real settings, they have a bunch of crap that you find tacky in it. If you go to the store, not everything there is for you, you may find hawaian shirts tacky, but guess what some people wear em all the time. Its ridiculous that you think a game that is supposed to span at least 4 different cultures, is all going to have the same visual bias. I see glow in the dark crap all over black shroud, heck even trees glow, i dont think its that crazy that some gridanian might say, damn im gonna through some glowy magic shit on that sword, because we just like glowy magic shit.

think of the amount of different cultures that have used body paint or tattoos, and the variety between them, do you really think if dudes could make shit glow reliably, they wouldnt put that stuff on gear?
We got dudes in this game who put gemstones into their heads. why is luminescence the end of the world

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Well I wouldn't presume to argue my point on the basis of logic. By all accounts, it makes sense. But if we are all wearing sparkly tiaras and sweeping robes of light, it will begin to impinge on the artistic integrity of the world. I like the unassuming nature of the gear in FFXIV, and glowing shit would compromise that.

Because it's all about me, didn't you know.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

Well I wouldn't presume to argue my point on the basis of logic. By all accounts, it makes sense. But if we are all wearing sparkly tiaras and sweeping robes of light, it will begin to impinge on the artistic integrity of the world. I like the unassuming nature of the gear in FFXIV, and glowing shit would compromise that.

Because it's all about me, didn't you know.

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Exactly. One thing I am sick of seeing is glowing shit in any MMORPG. I'd rather depict what rank somone is by the badass "design" of a weapon, rather than say "oh lulz you must be high level cuz ur weapons iz glowing purplez."

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Exactly. One thing I am sick of seeing is glowing shit in any MMORPG. I'd rather depict what rank somone is by the badass "design" of a weapon, rather than say "oh lulz you must be high level cuz ur weapons iz glowing purplez."

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Then I propose something, which of course I like a lot, instead of colored clouds floating about points on equipment (ala WoW), have brightly colored sections in the design of weapons. This game has plenty of dark areas. I can not count how many times I run into walls and rocks around Gridania at night when it rains.

Imagine walking into some ordinary cave, and while your eyes (the camera in this case) adjusts to the difference in illumination, you see this shadowy outline of a character running towards your direction. This outline has segments of red, green, purple, pink or any color really which is bright on the weapon and not affected by shadowing so they always standout. To use WoW again as a reference, one of my favorite effects that they did was on the helms. The helms would hide the face, which is fine, but the neat thing was that in place of where the eyes were (or even fake eyes) they would have small glowing bits that would always stand out and intimidate others.

I suppose this could go wrong too. We could be playing a TRON game, or give people flashbacks to Batman & Robin w/ those neon and black lights.

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Originally Posted by Sirtis

flashbacks to Batman & Robin w/ those neon and black lights.

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Does want.

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Originally Posted by Sirtis

Then I propose something, which of course I like a lot, instead of colored clouds floating about points on equipment (ala WoW), have brightly colored sections in the design of weapons. This game has plenty of dark areas. I can not count how many times I run into walls and rocks around Gridania at night when it rains.

Imagine walking into some ordinary cave, and while your eyes (the camera in this case) adjusts to the difference in illumination, you see this shadowy outline of a character running towards your direction. This outline has segments of red, green, purple, pink or any color really which is bright on the weapon and not affected by shadowing so they always standout. To use WoW again as a reference, one of my favorite effects that they did was on the helms. The helms would hide the face, which is fine, but the neat thing was that in place of where the eyes were (or even fake eyes) they would have small glowing bits that would always stand out and intimidate others.

I suppose this could go wrong too. We could be playing a TRON game, or give people flashbacks to Batman & Robin w/ those neon and black lights.

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I can see where you are getting at. But take a look at some of the weapons that the NMs drop. Fists of the Sixth Sun is a vibrant Blueish color, and it illuminates in dark areas, not to say that it glows or gives off light, but the color of the weapon is a bright blue color, and is easy to see in the dark.

All they need to do is throw in some more colors. If they immediately resort to the WoW glow, it just wouldn't fit the art style of the game.

I know for sure that there are going to be some really badass weapons, but we are being capped at Rank 50 for now, so we are stuck with the more "ordinary" weapons.

I just recently came back from a 3 month hiatus due to a variety of issues. While I am aiming at acquiring that weapon, I did not know how it looked or if there were any others that looked in a similar manner as to which I described. Thanks for pointing that out. It is good to know that there are concepts which are being used and developed along side the "normal" equipment.

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Originally Posted by Sirtis

I just recently came back from a 3 month hiatus due to a variety of issues. While I am aiming at acquiring that weapon, I did not know how it looked or if there were any others that looked in a similar manner as to which I described. Thanks for pointing that out. It is good to know that there are concepts which are being used and developed along side the "normal" equipment.

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I see, another weapon to take a look at is the NM Drop "Shellsplitter" The designs on it are engraved in that same Light-Blue color.

In initial development, mage weapons glowed just a bit. I thought it looked awesome. I wish they'd bring that back.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

In initial development, mage weapons glowed just a bit. I thought it looked awesome. I wish they'd bring that back.

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I don't think I have seen any of those. Are they in the DVD from the Collectors Edition?

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Originally Posted by Nuru

I don't think I have seen any of those. Are they in the DVD from the Collectors Edition?

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I hope i don't marked for this x_x
<3nuru

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Exactly. One thing I am sick of seeing is glowing shit in any MMORPG. I'd rather depict what rank somone is by the badass "design" of a weapon, rather than say "oh lulz you must be high level cuz ur weapons iz glowing purplez."

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It should not be the only gear, or the best gear, it should be an option, in fact i wouldnt mind skinnable items for the game, seeing everyone dress for stats is ehhhh.

It's a good thing the Dev team doesnt listen to us, sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Just because it's fantasy doesn't mean glowing weapons automatically fit. These things have sub genres. That's like saying light sabres would be at home in Star Trek.

Glowing weapons are more fitting of fairytale fantasy. XIV is more of a high fantasy thing. If a sword does glow, it's because it's an ancient one of a kind deal that just would not do well in an MMO unless an NPC used it. Think sting in LotR.

Seeing 20 or so guys running around with Ifrit's Butter Knife kinda ruins its importance as an ancient weapon of great power.

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Sorry, but you're wrong. And your lightsaber analogy doesn't work because lightsabers are a very specific object, not some general idea that can be applied in a myriad of ways, such as a glowing light.

And glowing things can fit in with high-fantasy just as well as they can with your so-called "fairy-tail" fantasy. Trying to claim that glowing things don't fit into a high-fantasy setting is absolutely ridiculous.

Also, just so you know, WoW, Aion, and EverQuest also qualify as high-fantasy, just like FFXIV and FFXI.

And there are going to be tons of people running around with endgame gear, regardless of whether it glows or not, so that's not a valid argument, either.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'm in the black shroud right now.

The only things I've seen glow are a few lanterns.

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someone missed the fireflies...

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Glowing weapons will allow for a company to be dull and non-creative with their games. I think we are trying to direct FFXIV in the opposite direction, aren't we?

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The more tools a company has at their disposal, the more creativity they have. If you insist that they can't use a particular tool (in this case glowing lights), then you're putting a limitation on the creative possibilities that are open to the development team.

I agree that FFXIV needs to have more creativity, but you're wrong to say that adding another tool to the dev team's arsenal will somehow inhibit them.

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Originally Posted by gifthorse

It's a good thing the Dev team doesnt listen to us, sometimes.

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They can make you smoke and spark all over the place if they want. Just don't be surprised if the 25 to 29 year olds roll their eyes and quit the garbage product. 16 to 20 year olds wear things and want to wear things that the rest of us think are hilariously bad.

Plenty of MMOs where kids can pop collars. FF characters don't glow and sparkle. Sorry.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

They can make you smoke and spark all over the place if they want. Just don't be surprised if the 25 to 29 year olds roll their eyes and quit the garbage product. 16 to 20 year olds wear things and want to wear things that the rest of us think are hilariously bad.

Plenty of MMOs where kids can pop collars. FF characters don't glow and sparkle. Sorry.

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you must think getting old means being a stick in the mud. If 25-29 year olds are going to judge a product based on how how shiny it is, then they are fools. I can see someone saying they want real content and not flash, but how about real content and flash.
There is no maturity level involved, its just an opinion, you dont like sparkling stuff, if you see sparkling stuff it makes you want to leave and throw up, thats fine, but dont try to make it seem like sparkle is intrinsicly flawed or childish. You are playing an mmo, massive multi player, ideally the world should accomodate both types of people, and the game would never force you to pick one over the other. Then the people who hate sparklies could sit around hating on the sparkly people, and the sparkly people can sit around hating on the drab people, and everyone can be happy hating on each other.

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Originally Posted by Physic

you must think getting old means being a stick in the mud. If 25-29 year olds are going to judge a product based on how how shiny it is, then they are fools. I can see someone saying they want real content and not flash, but how about real content and flash.
There is no maturity level involved, its just an opinion, you dont like sparkling stuff, if you see sparkling stuff it makes you want to leave and throw up, thats fine, but dont try to make it seem like sparkle is intrinsicly flawed or childish. You are playing an mmo, massive multi player, ideally the world should accomodate both types of people, and the game would never force you to pick one over the other. Then the people who hate sparklies could sit around hating on the sparkly people, and the sparkly people can sit around hating on the drab people, and everyone can be happy hating on each other.

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There very much is a maturity level involved, by the demographic. We don't want Twilight. We make fun of Twilight. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but we're looking for a more mature MMO.

You don't look cool. You look stupid. You looking stupid impinges on our game experience. Gear doesn't have to glow and sparkle to look good. In fact, it detracts from it.

Devs probably like the idea because if the armor and weapons sparkle and glow, they don't have to spend as much time on the detail. Congrats. Throw a little smoke effect on it and you barely have to design anything.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

There very much is a maturity level involved, by the demographic. We don't want Twilight. We make fun of Twilight. Not that there's anything wrong with that, but we're looking for a more mature MMO.

You don't look cool. You look stupid.

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You have a cultural bias, you think bright things look stupid, that has nothing to do with age. keep in mind this is a worldwide, cross cultural, cross lingual game. Just because in your neck of the woods, the young people want glowing things doesnt mean its a world view, they have cultures where the young people all dress in dark morose colors and wouldnt want to touch anything bright and shiny with a 10 foot pole. Its just your opinion, there is no absolute truth to it.

You think it sucks, we get that. Twilight btw is full of drably dressed people trying to be dark and disturbed without a glowing sparkly in sight, and its main demographic is girls age 11-15 sooooo maybe your sparkly is young demographics are messed up.

Uh Europe and NA. 75% of this game's demographic. Our teens all look stupid. Where do you live, Namibia?
Lol you be my guest and deny that visual format doesn't cater to certain demographics. We don't like Justin Bieber as a collective. It very much has to do with age.

Sparkling, flaming characters are centered on the generic likings of the 16-20 year old demographic. The older, more mature MMO players prefer FFXI's style, or plausible modest fantasy. Classic gothic presence versus Elizabethan pomp. You're on the wrong side of Wuthering Heights here.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Uh Europe and NA. 75% of this game's demographic. Our teens all look stupid. Where do you live, Namibia?

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your teens all look stupid in different ways. I live in NYC and we got old dudes in bright shirts and young people rocking all black. we got people who wouldnt be caught dead wearing anything but high fashion mens GQ stuff who are age 15, and dudes who are 45 wearing tye dye shirts. At one time putting on a powdered wig make up and wearing pink was considered being manly, what are you basing your definitions of what is old and what is young on. there is no maturity value on flashy, if someone wants to look like liberachie in game more power too him, it would at the very least be amusing to me.

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

Uh Europe and NA. 75% of this game's demographic.

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Originally Posted by Rhianu

Sorry, but you're wrong. And your lightsaber analogy doesn't work because lightsabers are a very specific object, not some general idea that can be applied in a myriad of ways, such as a glowing light.

And glowing things can fit in with high-fantasy just as well as they can with your so-called "fairy-tail" fantasy. Trying to claim that glowing things don't fit into a high-fantasy setting is absolutely ridiculous.

Also, just so you know, WoW, Aion, and EverQuest also qualify as high-fantasy, just like FFXIV and FFXI.

And there are going to be tons of people running around with endgame gear, regardless of whether it glows or not, so that's not a valid argument, either.

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You must not know of many Scifi series if you think lightsabers are a very specific object.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/LaserBlade

WoW, EverQuest, and Aion do NOT qualify as the style of High Fantasy XIV represents.

• WoW is in the style of a comic book. (Brightly colored, heavily action based, two teams of "good" and "bad")

• EverQuest is in the style of a 90's fantasy novel. (Medieval fantasy with the lights turned up and fireworks everywhere, riddled with nostalgic fantasy tropes)

• Aion is in the style of a Manhwa. (Stylized realism, heavily action based, two teams of "good" and "bad)

• FFXIV is in the style of a classical fantasy novel. (classical themes, subtle use of magic in comparison with other series, deep in its own pantheon)

Doesn't make any of them any better or worse in terms of themes, just different tastes for different folks.
And mind you this is only a quick comparison. So it's not too refined.

In order to keep this from turning into a big ugly argument, this will be the last point I make on the subject.

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Originally Posted by Laughlyn

someone missed the fireflies...

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Ah, thank you. Lamps and fireflies.

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Originally Posted by Joeking

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Originally Posted by Physic

your teens all look stupid in different ways. I live in NYC and we got old dudes in bright shirts and young people rocking all black. we got people who wouldnt be caught dead wearing anything but high fashion mens GQ stuff who are age 15, and dudes who are 45 wearing tye dye shirts. At one time putting on a powdered wig make up and wearing pink was considered being manly, what are you basing your definitions of what is old and what is young on. there is no maturity value on flashy, if someone wants to look like liberachie in game more power too him, it would at the very least be amusing to me.

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NYC, or Jersey Shore?
Go sparkle in WoW. You've got the wrong series if you want to sport your Flaming Sword of Compensation around town.

The only people who want to sparkle are the ones that don't. This isn't the game. This isn't the style.

Subtle bubbles on a water sword, Maybe. If that. Brotherhood, if that.

Half of you all have no clue what artistic design is. You'd love for your WoW characters to be copypasta'd into this world, dripping fire and flashing lights. Add some BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM to highlight how great you (think) you are.

Everywhere you go, Ulda rocks should levetate up from the ground like they do in DBZ. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Look, you're an adventurer. You don't glow. You're just like everyone else. That's the point. You're not Cloud. Cloud gets a flaming sword of inadequacy. You're Biggs. You get an iron hammer of utility.

You all can't equip enough sparkle and glow to be Clouds in this game. Dont' try to be unless you're a Cloud without anything on at all.

Leave the glowing and sparkling to the derp vampires in twilight..

Fail
Fail
Your ass is simply on fire, dude. Nice job.
Will someone please phoenix down it ang put it out of its emo glitter misery?
FFXIV's new and improved fisherman class.
You couldn't look more stupid.
Is this a joke?
Ok that HAS to be a joke.
OH EDWARD!

End topic. You're kidding me.

Square, ignore all these party(I DONT WANT IT TO BE LIKE WoW)poopers. They like the boring, everyone looking the same look. I'm for glowing weapons.

P.S. There is nothing homosexual about twilight Nuru. Be the 'adult' that you are and watch what you say. You can't describe something as gay. SMH

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Originally Posted by DeadRiser

Square, ignore all these party(I DONT WANT IT TO BE LIKE WoW)poopers. They like the boring, everyone looking the same look. I'm for glowing weapons.

P.S. There is nothing homosexual about twilight Nuru. Be the 'adult' that you are and watch what you say. You can't describe something as gay. SMH

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Wow, this community is just...

Here's a picture to describe it.
http://i754.photobucket.com/albums/x.../squidward.jpg

Anyways, I'm gay myself.. am i not allowed to say that either?

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Originally Posted by Peregrine

NYC, or Jersey Shore?
Go sparkle in WoW. You've got the wrong series if you want to sport your Flaming Sword of Compensation around town.

The only people who want to sparkle are the ones that don't. This isn't the game. This isn't the style.

Subtle bubbles on a water sword, Maybe. If that. Brotherhood, if that.

Half of you all have no clue what artistic design is. You'd love for your WoW characters to be copypasta'd into this world, dripping fire and flashing lights. Add some BLOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOM to highlight how great you (think) you are.

Everywhere you go, Ulda rocks should levetate up from the ground like they do in DBZ. HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA.

Look, you're an adventurer. You don't glow. You're just like everyone else. That's the point. You're not Cloud. Cloud gets a flaming sword of inadequacy. You're Biggs. You get an iron hammer of utility.

You all can't equip enough sparkle and glow to be Clouds in this game. Dont' try to be unless you're a Cloud without anything on at all.

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actually theres a dude who is an artist commenting on the thread saying he would like some special effects, i am also an artist, and yeah id like the option for special effects. So are you an artist? did you take design classes? have you created anything visual? Im not even saying that my opinion is law, im just saying its about personal opinion rather than any static laws.

funny you say you got the wrong series if you want be cloud when thats exactly what series this is. How about a guy with a gun thats a sword that explodes if i hit it at the right time. or the game that had a special weapon that was basically a huge glowing sword (atma weapon ff6) or the game where people hurl meteors at you when they are pissed off, and monsters grow giant wings on their back when they try to take over the world.

oh yeah thats this series, over the top and all.