Job Wheel!

I remember Yoshi talking about multiple jobs from one class. The point, if I remember correctly, the jobs were going to be like specializations, kind talent trees in other mmos. I see no reason each class shouldn't have options.

Simple Examples
Gla
Tank -> Paladin
DPS -> Dark Knight

Pug
DPS -> Monk
Pet DPS -> Puppet Master

Ect.

Who doesn't love options?

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Originally Posted by Klive

I remember Yoshi talking about multiple jobs from one class. The point, if I remember correctly, the jobs were going to be like specializations, kind talent trees in other mmos. I see no reason each class shouldn't have options.

Simple Examples
Gla
Tank -> Paladin
DPS -> Dark Knight

Pug
DPS -> Monk
Pet DPS -> Puppet Master

Ect.

Who doesn't love options?

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In theory it sounds like a cool idea, it just seems like the job system would have to be revamped to support more versatility.

What would be the main difference between MNK and PUP? A pet and a few different abilities? Are 5 abilities enough to distinguish them?

If this were to happen I would hope to see more job specific abilities to give each separate job path a distinguished role from the base class, rather than just a HQ class.

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Originally Posted by Fantasia

What a well-structured statement! You obviously took the time to go through here before posting stuff that makes no sense =b People like you are why I prefer to stay on this forum than its evil-counterpart at the moment!

Yoshi said that the E3 announcement will hold a few particular bombshells... I'm not sure if I should be worried or not =$

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Thanks! Yeah, I think the other forum is kinda filled with people spouting their opinions as facts and the topics get filled really fast with posts that don't bother to read or listen to what other's say... So I find myself here more.


And that's an interesting quote you pulled up Themis, I had forgotten about that. If Yoshi-P was indeed planning on two jobs per classes from the very start, then having the new arcanist class be the first to branch into two jobs becomes a lot more likely. Now if that's the case... would they release scholar at launch or together after release with every other job's second class? I want my Dark Knight! T^T

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Originally Posted by Fantasia

I just want to clarify; I'm not arguing, I'm just interested in your views! Unless I challenge them then there's no way to try and seal those gaps =b

Again, if you change the effects of spells once you change a job... wouldn't it (once again) make more sense to just create a new class where those spells' effects are fixed, instead of making it where every job changes it?

Saying that, it could be an interesting dynamic for SCH... equivalent to Light/Dark Arts, but instead of offering different spells the effects just change. This is becoming a brain-storming session.

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See and i think it make more sense just to add a job to a class less work on SE part. The class are set as hybrid they have no role. A lNC can tank just like a GLA can but a PLD can out do a LNC and a GLA. The way of think of Class is that there just the building blocks of jobs there noting more then the base. I really don't know how a 2# job would work they could do something new all together to make it make sense to us.

So i just wait and let Yoshi-p explain when the time comes we wont even be at that level for other 1+year at best. There be loads of new class being release but the time they need to add a job to other class. Seeing how samurai would look dumb on any of the current class same with THF and NIN

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Originally Posted by Hanzzo_Kai

In theory it sounds like a cool idea, it just seems like the job system would have to be revamped to support more versatility.

What would be the main difference between MNK and PUP? A pet and a few different abilities? Are 5 abilities enough to distinguish them?

If this were to happen I would hope to see more job specific abilities to give each separate job path a distinguished role from the base class, rather than just a HQ class.

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I think so ya because the pet itself change the role of the Job. A monk is a 1VS1 DPS while PUP can change his fighting by changing his pet. The pup is more about doing great DMG with a pet vs just yourself and remember by the time they add 2# job it could be around level 60+ cap where you get 10+ job spell.

I don't think we going to get other job in a class at level 50 cap which mean they could even be a better system to allow this at higher level.

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Originally Posted by Hanzzo_Kai

In theory it sounds like a cool idea, it just seems like the job system would have to be revamped to support more versatility.

What would be the main difference between MNK and PUP? A pet and a few different abilities? Are 5 abilities enough to distinguish them?

If this were to happen I would hope to see more job specific abilities to give each separate job path a distinguished role from the base class, rather than just a HQ class.

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I'm not a game FF14 Dev, so who knows what they have up their sleeves. We have yet to see what jobs do in ARR. They could be just like 1.0 or totally different, we have no idea. So, I hate to say it, wait and see.

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Originally Posted by Zenaku

I think so ya because the pet itself change the role of the Job. A monk is a 1VS1 DPS while PUP can change his fighting by changing his pet. The pup is more about doing great DMG with a pet vs just yourself and remember by the time they add 2# job it could be around level 60+ cap where you get 10+ job spell.

I don't think we going to get other job in a class at level 50 cap which mean they could even be a better system to allow this at higher level.

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Ya, I think with a level cap increase and more job abilities, the multi-job per class system could flourish. For example, ARC -> Ranger or something could be totally unique vs BRD. Each branched job could fill a potential niche role.

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Originally Posted by Hanzzo_Kai

Ya, I think with a level cap increase and more job abilities, the multi-job per class system could flourish. For example, ARC -> Ranger or something could be totally unique vs BRD. Each branched job could fill a potential niche role.

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Yep ARC BRD/RNG
PUG MNK/PUP
GLA could be Dark knight/ PLD
Lancer not sure maybe a pet job lol because i know there a few people out there who one a DRG with pet.

it could so work out if done right only if SE can do it right if not it may fail. Then again anything they could come up with could fail so it just a matter how great the system is.

I just had a thought.

Have SE themselves ever actually drawn a class/job connection between summoner and arcanist, OR WAS THAT JUST US!?!?

Because if there is an option of having arcanist > scholar, plus xxxxx > summoner, that would be worth considering.

If anyone can debunk this idea on me with evidence, please blast away! >_<

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I just had a thought.

Have SE themselves ever actually drawn a class/job connection between summoner and arcanist, OR WAS THAT JUST US!?!?

Because if there is an option of having arcanist > scholar, plus xxxxx > summoner, that would be worth considering.

If anyone can debunk this idea on me with evidence, please blast away! >_<

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I guess the pic of Arcanist with Carby. If Arcanist -> Scholar, would Scholar keep Carby? Would the class associated with Summoner have a pet?

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I just had a thought.

Have SE themselves ever actually drawn a class/job connection between summoner and arcanist, OR WAS THAT JUST US!?!?

Because if there is an option of having arcanist > scholar, plus xxxxx > summoner, that would be worth considering.

If anyone can debunk this idea on me with evidence, please blast away! >_<

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I was going to say "The anniversary talk they did said that ACN will be able to summon Carbuncle, but SMN won't be able to and instead will have access to elemental primals" as 'evidence' of you being wrong...

But it could be that SMN won't be able to access Carbuncle because it belongs to a class which isn't its own >.>

The SMN artwork does show Ifrit being summoned from the pages of a Grimoire however.

And here's the talk where they "announced" it:
They don't exactly say that they follow on from eachother, but that's only if you're being pedantic =b I'm pretty sure they're together!

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Originally Posted by Catapult

I just had a thought.

Have SE themselves ever actually drawn a class/job connection between summoner and arcanist, OR WAS THAT JUST US!?!?

Because if there is an option of having arcanist > scholar, plus xxxxx > summoner, that would be worth considering.

If anyone can debunk this idea on me with evidence, please blast away! >_<

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Looked up the reveal thread for Arcanist and Summoner.

Sounds like they implied it saying that Summoner would have more powerful pet actions compared to Arcanist but nothing specifically stating it, an interview i read only mentions Arcanist and didn't mention Summoner at all. On the official site it doesn't mention the significance of the book to Summoner whatsoever. I spent some time googling around and couldn't find anything from Yoshi or SE themselves that specifically stated they were tied together so /shrugs. Maybe i missed something? It will be a surprise if Arcanist turns out to be unrelated to Summoner though.

Evoker > Summoner?
Arcanist > Scholar?

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Originally Posted by Tobalito

Evoker > Summoner?
Arcanist > Scholar?

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My theory is that the addition of SCH was to make a second healer job (since for levelling up in groups of 4 there's going to be a huge lack of them), and from what we know about ACN it just wouldn't fit the bill =/

Maybe we'll see a Mystic that takes from and adds to what Thaumaturge lost? Scourge + Banish + Sacrifice with Scholar adding on top of that as well?.

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Originally Posted by Fantasia

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Originally Posted by Tobalito

Evoker > Summoner?
Arcanist > Scholar?

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My theory is that the addition of SCH was to make a second healer job (since for levelling up in groups of 4 there's going to be a huge lack of them), and from what we know about ACN it just wouldn't fit the bill =/

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^This. Pretty much what myself and the hauby we're discussing when the picture was released. And yeah- with WAR already have been confirmed @ NicoNico to fullfil a more 'tanky' role in ARR. We're looking at 2tanks, 1healer, and chalk full of DPS.

From a design point it makes sense to have an additional job (SCH).
(And I hardly think ARN could fulfill a full support healing role. Anyone who was lucky enough to view the placeholder ability list before SE took them down would have a general idea of where that class gameplay will fall)

OFCOURSE anything and everything has been stated again and again "under development" and could change for release. So perhaps summoner/archaist just took a major turn we've yet to be informed about.

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Originally Posted by Kaiyoko

^This. Pretty much what myself and the hauby we're discussing when the picture was released. And yeah- with WAR already have been confirmed @ NicoNico to fullfil a more 'tanky' role in ARR. We're looking at 2tanks, 1healer, and chalk full of DPS.

From a design point it makes sense to have an additional job (SCH).
(And I hardly think ARN could fulfill a full support healing role. Anyone who was lucky enough to view the placeholder ability list before SE took them down would have a general idea of where that class gameplay will fall)

OFCOURSE anything and everything has been stated again and again "under development" and could change for release. So perhaps summoner/archaist just took a major turn we've yet to be informed about.

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Even without referring to that particular list SE has said that ACN will mainly be a debuff/DoT class that gets more power depending on how many they've stacked onto it, so unless they change the its entire dynamic then I think we can be safe from a healer-SMN.

I thought they'd add another healer at launch before I saw this, I'd just assumed it would be RDM! I'm glad that it looks like SCH will be filling this (frankly needed) position.