Cut images from the Alpha dungeon video courtesy of JP PlayStation
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12-28-2012, 10:53 AMWarlock
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12-28-2012, 09:19 PMValmontelol the top pic reminds me of that one race in SW:Kotor ....what the hell was it, bah i'll remember it when im trying to sleep it was Q somethingQuote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
Edit: Quarren is the name i was looking for.
here's a pic http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...AOTCtikkes.jpg -
12-29-2012, 04:16 AMZantetsuken
Reminds me of this FF1 enemy actually.
http://media1.gameinformer.com/image...ind-flayer.jpg
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12-29-2012, 04:58 AMTwiddleYou mean like this?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zantetsuken
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...Mindflayer.png
And the other one like this more or less.
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12-29-2012, 05:01 AMKirito
Cool! thanalan gets a train service ^^
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12-29-2012, 05:04 AMShougun
I think with Yoshida trying to put the best out there, its being confused as awesomeness. We should really look at the facts.
Yoshida mentioned playing the game where ever you go at home, on your tablet, and even on your phone - he even made his plans obvious with the first (?) dungeon boss being a mind flayer...
YOSHIDA WANTS OUR BRAINS!
Hes going to jingle us in his money purse! Save yourselves!!
:D
(Thanks for more photos warlock ^_^)
I agree to seeing some of these armors and monsters you mentioned from past titles, they are pretty awesome.
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Originally Posted by Warlock
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12-29-2012, 05:08 AMWynn
Reminds me of the original creature from Dungeons & Dragons that Gary Gygax created back in the 1970s called an illithid, which makes perfect sense since that is exactly where they got it from. I can see why it appealed to the creators of Final Fantasy. After all, it does have tentacles.
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12-29-2012, 10:47 AMWarlockMy guess is Yoshi-P would tell you the same thing he said to Wada in the live letter about the big house art separating some parts of it...the artwork of AF hat covering the face just like the WHM hoody on is just for the 3D modelers to work on to make it more detailed..Quote:
Originally Posted by Sakasa
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12-29-2012, 12:34 PMWarlock
I found this talk about Monster Pathfinding ...haven't seen it anywhere else in General Discussion ...so i'll leave it here
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...fxivaipath.jpg
Square Enix held a two day “Square Enix Open Conference” on November 23rd and 24th. The last portion of the conference was the “AI Session” which was divided into two parts. The first half was about FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn and gave a detailed overview of how they implemented pathfinding for enemy NPCs. The second half was a more conceptual/general presentation on the AI engine used in Luminous Studio by Youichiro Miyake.
The theme of the first half was “How To Determine The Path Enemy NPCs Use To Move Around A Map in MMORPGs”. As MMORPGs use expansive, complicated maps, deciding the paths NPCs use wisely is a very difficult issue to tackle.
The presentation was by given by Luminous Studio project members Takanori Yokoyama (AI Programmer) and Fabien Gravot (AI Researcher).
4gamer.net posted a write up of the event which we’ve gone ahead and summarized after the jump!
For FFXIV:ARR, one of the hard issues to tackle was the number of monsters. A single map, for example, could have 1000 monsters all moving around at the same time. Processing their routes individually would cause a huge strain on the servers. However, they can’t have enemies only move when players get near them (something used in some first person shooters) because there are so many players online at the same time.
The NPC paths are determined server side. As such, they couldn’t use a normal algorithm like the A* method. The A* method has NPCs look for the shortest path between point A and point B. The number of calculations for moving each NPC by this method would put a huge strain on the servers. It also takes a lot of memory.
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...012/12/002.jpg
Instead, FFXIV:ARR uses a “Path Table” method. The paths are predetermined between spot to spot. This method has been used in video games for a long time. One example is listed below. When the NPC wants to move from point 1 to point 5, it looks up the route information in the table. The table says the NPC needs to move to point 3 first. Once it gets to point 3, it looks up the info from point 3 to point 5. Since it’s set to 4, it then moves to point 4 and so on until it reaches its goal.
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...012/12/004.jpg
The table basically already lists the shortest path it takes to get between two spots. The lack of constant calculating reduces the server’s CPU strain. However, the amount of memory used ends up increasing.
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...012/12/005.jpg
You need a lot of memory. For a 20,000 by 20,000 navigation mesh on a map, it takes around 1.1 GB. That’s pretty tough on a server. That’s just one map, so you can imagine how hard it’d be for the server to process all maps in an MMORPG even if it’s of the highest specs.
In the end, this method can cause bigger memory/strain issues than going a non-table route.
That’s why they looked for a way to get the benefits of the table method while keeping the amount of memory needed down. They decided to divide each map into sections (or grids). The tables are not symmetrical because sometimes there are one-way paths (like if you jump down from a higher level).
To start, they gave each grid a table. Just reducing the number of columns and rows reduced the memory needed by quite a lot. If a monster needs to move across the entire map, it first reaches a destination on the first grid, then uses the table for the second grid, and so on. They did this by using “connection points” predetermined on each grid. By breaking up that 20,000 by 20,000 mesh that took 1.1 GB into 100 by 100 grids, the memory requirement was also lowered to about 11MB.
The downside of the “connection points” system is that in the end, the NPC might not be taking the best course to its destination. They could end up at a number of points not on the shortest distance path. This makes the path look a bit clumsy.
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...012/12/008.jpg
To correct this, they ended up making tables of connecting grids. This replaces the need for connection points. Instead, it makes sub-goals and then advances forward swapping tables when it meets a grid boundary.
http://gamerescape.com/wp-content/up...012/12/009.jpg
This system is called “HiNT” or “Hierarchical Neighborhood lookup-Table”. This system reduces the amount of memory needed as well as the strain on the CPU. The enemies also end up taking smarter routes. Even though the tables are 9 times the size of the grids, it didn’t end up causing a big problem.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=9_vdpndn4jI
The video shows a character moving from grid to grid.
The red line is the optimal path as determined by using calculations from the table and a funnel algorithm.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature...&v=o3ihN2kSzMs
The colored path was made from a “drop mesh”. If the NPC jumps off the side of a small cliff for example, the drop mesh can be used to direct how the NPC climbs its way back up.
To create the navigation mesh, they used an open source tool called Recast. It would have taken an extraordinary long time to make the mesh by hand. However, when they automated the process, the team also had to battle issues with narrow paths and areas where it was questionable about if the enemy could really use a path or not. On the plus side, a mesh for a large map would only take about 1 minute 30 seconds to make and used about 7MB of data. They were also able to use the navigation mesh to create the 2D world maps displayed in game.
Some very technical stuff to be sure, but it’s an interesting look at some of the underlying systems that went into FINAL FANTASY XIV: A Realm Reborn!
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12-29-2012, 01:51 PMWarlock
For the records :D until a clean version is released
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12-30-2012, 12:37 AMWarlock
Final Fantasy Tactics Advance Shiva is so Sexy and cool :D (I hope FFXIV version is even cooler!)
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12-30-2012, 12:41 AMWarlock
Bartz and Reina on Chocobo...What kind of Chocobo is this? O.o
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_l8...s968o1_500.jpg
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12-30-2012, 12:43 AMKiritoLast time I checked chocobo had wings and no arms... What have they done to it! T_TQuote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
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12-30-2012, 03:25 AMBiggsThat actually looks a LOT like the mist dragon you fight in ff4 when Cecil and kain deliver the bomb ring from baron.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
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12-30-2012, 03:26 AMWarlock
Miqo'te tails :D
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12-30-2012, 04:10 AMAdorraEloom
Can't wait to see behemoth, that will be my first goal in ARR, to find a behemoth as quick as I can XD
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12-30-2012, 07:49 AMNuinnToo many clothes! Plus, not stylish enough :P Personally I liked the FFVIII one best, looked sexy and godly enough. The one from FFTA is nice, but too much "pedestrian" in my opinion...Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
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12-30-2012, 10:56 AMWarlockNo wonder you like it..shes almost nakedQuote:
Originally Posted by Nuinn
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs47/PRE/...TheLegends.jpg
I like FFX one myself :D
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...ncept_FF10.jpg
Even the FFXIII was cool..they could make it similar to them ..just less mechanic and 1 not 2 sisters hehe
http://i34.tinypic.com/2njx7hc.jpg
Another Artwork of the FFII Hero riding a Chocobo..or so is called on the title but doesn't look anything like one ...i wouldn't mind one of these as mount tho XD
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lh...s968o1_500.jpg
Another armor set to the wishlist ..this would look awesome on Lalafell ^_^
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz...s968o1_400.jpg
Very early Artwork of the races in FFXI ..that version of Galka could be the beast race Yoshi-P wants to add :D
but with more variation..like Lion-like,Wolf-like,Bear-like etc.
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_ln...s968o1_500.jpg
Lich Summon from Final Fantasy Tactics looks a lot like the Ascian in FFXIV
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12-30-2012, 06:18 PMMunba
Great topic! Need that new grand companies art in hi-res..
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12-31-2012, 02:09 AMWarlock
Yoshi-P has shown great interest in making flying/sky related content for the game and seems to be his favorite part about a game :D "Air Pirates attacking Airships" one of the first ideas he has come up with for the future.
But what kind of Airship the Pirates will have? And what we will be riding to defend ourselves? Also there is the possibility that we will build our own and customize it
Examples that could fit in the FFXIV world:
http://www.imperiarp.org/institute/les9/redrose9.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YY99EGv-IF...ildaGarde3.jpg
http://ff9.ffsky.cn/airship/ff9_common_airship3.jpg
http://www.ffsky.com/ff/zhuanti/FF9/...n_airship1.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-tRgf8cAguZ...dagarde1-9.jpg
http://c.blog.xuite.net/c/b/e/8/1195.../5734421/1.jpg
http://www.mattcoombe.com/images/Airship_04.jpg
http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__...DS_Opening.jpg
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/i/20...00-d424fl0.jpg
http://wakpaper.com/large/Blimps_wallpapers_69.jpg
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12-31-2012, 06:35 AMDuuude007Maybe something like Don Carnage's Iron Vulture?Quote:
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12-31-2012, 06:42 AMZehira
That's awesome Warlock, I would love to have an airship with pieces of metal. ^^
http://i84.photobucket.com/albums/k1...g?t=1248017529
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__.../The_Draco.jpg
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-TJ93YkN9-B...8EUR%25292.jpg
I am a huge fan of Skies of Arcadia. Oh boy, I better not touch it or I will be hooked again. xD -
12-31-2012, 07:21 AMWarlock
Something like this too :D
http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2...ttpto1_500.jpg
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m2...tpto2_1280.jpg
http://files.myopera.com/a5pro/album...ships_1024.jpg
http://satoshimatrix.files.wordpress...lection006.jpg
But it definitely needs to be bigger to carry weapons and more than a 8-man party. For what Yoshi-P wants to do current Airship is too much of a compact car. -
12-31-2012, 09:16 AMWarlock
For big Land battles Like the one seen in this Artwork fighting for the control of that Fortification or to battle the Empire bring back heavy weaponry
http://killingifrit.com/forums/uploa...9_30_70865.jpg
For example FFXI's Turrets
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...t_FFXI_Art.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...t_FFXI_Art.jpg
http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...t_FFXI_Art.jpg
FFX's Cannons
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...twork2-ffx.png
FFV's Soul Cannons
http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__..._FFV_Amano.jpg
FFXIII's Magitek
http://wallpaper.goodfon.com/image/58829-1786x1004.jpg
Player controlled along with the Magitek mount if they later decide to make it able to fight on Fan's request to what could be Musketeer's base Class, the Cannoneer
http://images4.wikia.nocookie.net/__...noneer_FFV.png
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12-31-2012, 11:08 AMZehiraLooks very like The Lord of the Rings, I can't wait! :DQuote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
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12-31-2012, 12:53 PMWyyoteThat waterfall must be worth something lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zehira
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12-31-2012, 01:11 PMZehira
And Mt. Nibel from FF7. lol
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12-31-2012, 02:36 PMSirakittyruin towerthat ruin dungeon on this one pic couldnt that be this ruin in the middle of the lake in la noscea?Quote:
Originally Posted by Duuude007
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12-31-2012, 02:46 PMWarlock
Alright!! fixed the Alpha pics on page 14 :D you can go check them out now and enjoy~
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12-31-2012, 02:51 PMWarlockThis castle/ruins building is indeed in the center of the 1.0 Iron Lake in Upper La NosceaQuote:
Originally Posted by Sirakitty
http://killingifrit.com/forums/uploa..._30_136303.jpg
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12-31-2012, 03:19 PMSirakitty
what i would also like to see is those dragon-phoenix creatures from ff9 i forgot their name..can someone bring up a pic? i think the name was silver dragon
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12-31-2012, 03:33 PMZehira
Did you mean Bahamut vs Alexander?
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12-31-2012, 03:35 PMZehira
NVM, I just found it.
http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ff9+silver+dragon
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12-31-2012, 03:36 PMWarlockThis guy could be another Dragon KingQuote:
Originally Posted by Sirakitty
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12-31-2012, 03:37 PMSirakitty
ah thanks yea thats the one lol
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01-01-2013, 11:03 AMWarlock
More Artwork :D Its old but done by Yoshi-P's team it belongs here
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...pscce7a27c.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...pscd73aabb.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps88ce0d18.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0183e736.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps3729c7ab.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8d1835d6.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8d3ba74e.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0bac50eb.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps8543214a.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...psa89543f0.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...psc7e8f6b7.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...psbb34f679.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...pse6fcfe33.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps0b50f29d.jpg
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps81fd1f02.jpg
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01-01-2013, 12:16 PMWarlock
Typhon has his buddy Ultros in FFXIII-2 but what about FFXIV?
http://i1326.photobucket.com/albums/...ps1776ab39.jpg
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01-01-2013, 12:47 PMEnkidoh
He looked like he was on drugs or something with those diluted eyes. :p
Why do I get the feeling he'd be an end-Raid boss somewhere in La Noscea?
Also, the dragon in FFIX Sirakitty was thinking of was called a Silver Dragon - Kuja uses one for a mount for much of the game and sends it against Zidane as a boss to fight (< loves FFIX in case you couldn't tell ;)). -
01-01-2013, 08:14 PMWarlock
Happy New Year! :D
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01-01-2013, 08:17 PMShougunYoshida's skin is falling off !!! XD Use it in ultima materia.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warlock
I know the effect isnt uncommon but it really reminds me of a scene in Paprika.. lol