Cartoony style graphics....

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

So, it's official. Video games are art. That means we can all stop telling Square-Enix how to make their game, because they're the artist, we're the viewer. Let the muse do their work.

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Thats a myth you are propagating, a myth or a fallacy. Either way stop propagating it.

You can tell them how you want them to make it. Just like in commissioned art you ask for something particular. They dont have to listen to you of course, but just because something is art doesnt mean they are exempt from hearing feedback.

And as a matter of fact SE has asked us for our opinion.

I could argue my stance on this all night, but it's becoming circular and I'm tired. I respect your opinion on the matter though, I'm discussing it with a friend on skype too and he's in your camp of thinking lol

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Originally Posted by Ingolf

I could argue my stance on this all night, but it's becoming circular and I'm tired. I respect your opinion on the matter though, I'm discussing it with a friend on skype too and he's in your camp of thinking lol

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Very amicable ending.

Is it just me or did the dragoon armor / weapon look rounder and perhaps a little mickimouse -ish in 2.0?

But I love the new terrain, they added a lot more character to it. Unfortunately i think it will be harder on some peoples systems - hopefully their engine is as they say and doesnt hurt those players who were already struggling with 1.0.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Thats a myth you are propagating, a myth or a fallacy. Either way stop propagating it.

You can tell them how you want them to make it. Just like in commissioned art you ask for something particular. They dont have to listen to you of course, but just because something is art doesnt mean they are exempt from hearing feedback.

And as a matter of fact SE has asked us for our opinion.

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Yes, and the phrase "too many cooks spoil the broth" comes to mind. Every single person here has a different vision of what would make Final Fantasy XIV: A Realm Reborn into the perfect game, but every single one of those ideas will contradict the idea of someone else, therefore, our opinion is useless.

Our feedback, on the other hand, is a little more helpful. If Square-Enix is like "Oh, check out this new thing we're making!" and everybody unanimously hates it, they'll be like "Nevermind!" We can provide helpful information to better finalize what they want in the game.

13 pages? if you stop posting in his threads, he might one day go away. do not feed the trolls, this one in particular. and yes, i do realize my post is a morsel of rokien kibble.

But Rokien makes the best threads!

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

Yes, and the phrase "too many cooks spoil the broth" comes to mind.

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Yes we do lol.

I hope that they have paid someone to read and summarize forum activity (a lot of companies do this) - I know they read Japanese side personally but obviously they need help to translate other languages (and this adds extra cooks as the ideas could easily be scewed if the translators have a personal agenda/opinion of the game).

So yeah.. we have a lot of communication interference.

Still waiting for a game in Arthur Rackham style.
http://www.earthrites.org/turfing2/u...urd-faavne.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-t6L58u6Shq...rman-large.jpg
http://www.christies.com/lotfinderim..._d5318382h.jpg
http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__...kham_comus.jpg
http://img3.etsystatic.com/000/0/613....232236315.jpg

So Rad.

Ugh, awful looking hair! Petition to change that hair!

Make me wonder is Rokien the greatest troll ever to grace the FFXIV forums (he has the ability to get 100+ replies in every topic he posts) or does he truly believe the stuff he posts.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Make me wonder is Rokien the greatest troll ever to grace the FFXIV forums (he has the ability to get 100+ replies in every topic he posts) or does he truly believe the stuff he posts.

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He truly believes it, sadly.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Make me wonder is Rokien the greatest troll ever to grace the FFXIV forums (he has the ability to get 100+ replies in every topic he posts) or does he truly believe the stuff he posts.

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It's a mixed bag.

Mostly it's that he don't give no damn.

They have already stated that the PS3 isn't going to be that far off from PC high specs, only in lighting and shadow and up very close will you be able to tell any difference. That picture you guys are showing off I can't seem to find anything like that online anywhere. Hell it looks like a completely different game altogether so I am about 90% sure that isn't FFXIV on the PS3.

Negative/Trolling threads nearly always get 100+ posts in them. Positive threads are usually left in the dark.

damn, the trailer was taken down and the googles aren't showing me any mirrors
anyone know of one?

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Originally Posted by Ricky

damn, the trailer was taken down and the googles aren't showing me any mirrors
anyone know of one?

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Gamers Escape should have it back up later today, per a forum post. It was just posted too early.

ok thanks, will wait then

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Originally Posted by KiriA500

It was just posted too early.

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I'll never understand the point to arbitrarily waiting for something that's complete.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

I'll never understand the point to arbitrarily waiting for something that's complete.

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Well, in this games case, they should hold on to stuff for longer, because something that's meant to show off the game turns into the most ridiculous nit-picking.

If you see a movie trailer that doesn't appeal to you, you just don't see the movie. With this, you apparently stick around even though you hate it.

Guys it has a different color set.. it uses a different engine..

have you watched the trailer of agnis Philosophy? The tech demo of the new engine?

look at the skins of the characters.. the lightning effetcs.. it justs looks like in ARR.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...a6co5_1280.jpg

Agnis Philosophy

of course agnis tech demo has more details.. FF ARR is an MMorpg.. but you see that the look is almost the same. the colors the shadows etc.

agnis philosophy (luminous studio graphics engine):


first i had the same opinion as you. but now i love the new engine.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Guys it has a different color set.. it uses a different engine..

have you watched the trailer of agnis Philosophy? The tech demo of the new engine?

look at the skins of the characters.. the lightning effetcs.. it justs looks like in ARR.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...a6co5_1280.jpg

Agnis Philosophy

of course agnis tech demo has more details.. FF ARR is an MMorpg.. but you see that the look is almost the same. the colors the shadows etc.

agnis philosophy (luminous studio graphics engine):

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17ow...g/original.jpg

first i had the same opinion as you. but now i love the new engine.

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Those screenshots look like FFX with way better graphics XD.

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Originally Posted by Tonkra

Guys it has a different color set.. it uses a different engine..

have you watched the trailer of agnis Philosophy? The tech demo of the new engine?

look at the skins of the characters.. the lightning effetcs.. it justs looks like in ARR.

http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5...a6co5_1280.jpg

Agnis Philosophy

of course agnis tech demo has more details.. FF ARR is an MMorpg.. but you see that the look is almost the same. the colors the shadows etc.

agnis philosophy (luminous studio graphics engine):

http://img.gawkerassets.com/img/17ow...g/original.jpg

first i had the same opinion as you. but now i love the new engine.

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What's the second pic from? I don't remember seeing that part in the trailer

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Originally Posted by Zahak

What's the second pic from? I don't remember seeing that part in the trailer

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It's about at the 3:00 mark in the linked video.

I never said the lighting wasn't good, it's really good, I'm talking about the textures themselves. They have a Ken doll look to em.

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Originally Posted by Elexia

This depends on the developer because "stylized cartoony graphics" looks horribly dated if done wrong as well. Only reason those games held up for example is because the actual technique for them was still fairly uncommon. Look at games like 'The Bouncer', it aged very well for an early PS2 game, even FFX did as well. The only real issue with those games for example is the resolution the PS2 sits at, so obviously when everything moved over to 720p standard, they'll look more dated than they are.

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IMO, FF6 and Zelda on SNES aged well too :3

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Originally Posted by Astora

It's about at the 3:00 mark in the linked video.

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ah I see, guess I have seen it before then @_@
I just want the trailer to come back up so I can watch it again

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Originally Posted by Rokien

I never said the lighting wasn't good, it's really good, I'm talking about the textures themselves. They have a Ken doll look to em.

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That mostly has to do with the shaders they use and how the light reacts with them.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

it's not pointless, why would there be 10 pages already if it were.

Also a lot of people from sargatanas who post on these forums agrees with me on a lot of things.

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Are you sure its not you who posts using different names and forum accounts. Cause when I mention your name and what new threads you have made when I am ingame. Majority in Uldah, Grid and LL says that they wished you would stop doing what you are doing as they see you as nothing more than a trolling crybaby :p

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Originally Posted by Gramul

That mostly has to do with the shaders they use and how the light reacts with them.

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Also the fabric doesn't have the same feel as the fabric in the game now does.

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Originally Posted by Taika

I actually agree with Rokien. Well kind of. Not sure if they're "cartoony" but they certainly have a less realistic feel to them.

http://i.imgur.com/EXoQM.jpg

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Please tell me this is a joke. This looks awful. Like horribly horribly awful. Like Star Wars: Clone Wars awful..

If this game ever looks like this, I will actually quit.

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Originally Posted by Altera

Are you sure its not you who posts using different names and forum accounts. Cause when I mention you name when I am ingame. Majority in Uldah, Grid and LL says that they wished you would stop doing what you are doing

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Naa not the majority, the majority hardly even comes on these forums. Also, if you talk to the people who know me in game, they will not say that.

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Please tell me this is a joke. This looks awful. Like horribly horribly awful. Like Star Wars: Clone Wars awful..

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nope, no joke ;)

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Originally Posted by Taika

I actually agree with Rokien. Well kind of. Not sure if they're "cartoony" but they certainly have a less realistic feel to them.

http://i.imgur.com/EXoQM.jpg

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Excuse me for noobing out, but where is that video located?

It got taken down, if you look at the tgs trailer thread, there is a big talk about it over there.

I'm not sure what's wrong with the Picture above.... but I can tell you that the Area "Does" look unique compared to all the zones put together in FFXIV 1.0. Weather the Graphics is good for one person or not, just by looking at that picture I can see these three views: Unique, Good placement, Aetheryte looks better than the first.

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Originally Posted by Starlord

I'm not sure what's wrong with the Picture above.... but I can tell you that the Area "Does" look unique compared to all the zones put together in FFXIV 1.0. Weather the Graphics is good for one person or not, just by looking at that picture I can see these three views: Unique, Good placement, Aetheryte looks better than the first.

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Look at gw2, the areas are well crafted, though, not very nice to look at because the graphics suck.

Only thing good in gw2 is their water reflection.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Look at gw2, the areas are well crafted, though, not very nice to look at because the graphics suck.

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I looked at it plenty of times, and the graphics do suck there, but comparing GW2 Graphics to FFXIV:ARR pre-alpha, there's really nothing to compare, FFXIV 2.0 in its current state is above GW2 imho.

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Look at gw2, the areas are well crafted, though, not very nice to look at because the graphics suck.

Only thing good in gw2 is their water reflection.

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https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-r...No/s0/T1MH.gif

well lets compare.

better partical effects
lightning effects in agnis philosophy (luminous engine) tech demo:
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...6338663835.jpg

FFXIV ARR using the same partical effects (Luminous engine):
http://foto.arcor-online.net/palb/al...3239373734.jpg

these lightning effects do look a lot better in ARR than we have it now. thundara looks just like a flat 2D texture in the current version (in my opinion)


and look at these shadowing of the character and environment.. it seems to be more plastic (?) (sorry we in german would say plastisch (not in the sense of Plastik the noun i cant find a word to fit the impression)

http://www.rpgsite.net/images/screen...8142012_02.jpg

the shadowing in ARR is much more extremely.

after getting used to it i really like the new graphics engine (art style). i know what you mean, first i was sceptical.. but now.. it seems more "lively" and next gen to me.

i think many people in here will be surprised how the new engine will look in live action in front of them. at least i hope so.

Not a huge fan of that fake looking gold / yellow color on the ather rings. And of course the characters are always extremely metrosexual but thats a SE thing :P.

Hopefully they will add more Auron* looks to their repertoire. *one of the only manly characters I can think of from SE lol. Galka's are man yes, but thats a whole race distinction. Like my guy I tried to make like a "guy" even giving him a beard but there was no option to give him actual eyebrows.. he has like pencil line faded eyebrows haha.

Love that last screenshot a lot Tonkra.