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08-18-2012, 01:21 PM
Isaaru

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Originally Posted by Rokien

They should make it like ffxi where you gain tp from one battle and make the next one a short fight. A good mix of long and short fights is nice with strategy. Not 6 weaponskills in 20 seconds every fight.

YEAH WE SHOULD ALSO HAVE EIGHT SECOND AUTO ATTACK DELAY
08-18-2012, 02:03 PM
Rokien

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Originally Posted by Rukira

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Every time I see you, I melt a little.
08-19-2012, 06:22 AM
Duelle

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Originally Posted by Gumbercules

btw think wow stole the "stamina" design for monk! guess well see how it works there...
If its good guess we can all pitch in a penny and get Rokien a wow sub.

Stamina was just Energy under a different name, built on top of Rage/Righteous Fury/TP. A resource system built on top of another resource system that happens to have no synergy with it.

And while I have nothing against pitching a penny for Rokien's WoW account, who's gonna buy the game for him? >.>

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Some of the observations others have made about how it seems the new system is gonna work does make me want to see this puppy in action even more though =D (WS consume tp that starts out full, while auto attacks replenish said tp) this kinda design is really doing nothing more than taking away the boring 20 seconds or so at the start of any given fight and giving tanks a decent shot at aoe hate without having to spend those same boring 20 seconds.

I'm more curious over how this will affect combat strategies. Though this might also be there to allow us to use what in other MMOs would be free openers without exactly making them resource-free.
08-19-2012, 06:33 AM
Synthesis

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Originally Posted by Rokien

Am I complaining here? No, I'm not. In fact I'm welcoming this old system back!

Its a new one.
08-19-2012, 06:48 AM
Nuru

Mages can use magic right off the bat. Whats so alien about melee using WS off the bat? This is new but it is not new at the same time. MP is for mages, TP is for melee. I'm not saying it will be this way at launch, for all we know, that was probably god-mode.

Way to make a thread about welcoming back a system that I actually enjoyed and wish they had built upon it instead of throwing that idea away and using a similar system to Aion.
08-19-2012, 07:10 AM
Rokien

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Originally Posted by Nuru

Mages can use magic right off the bat. Whats so alien about melee using WS off the bat? This is new but it is not new at the same time. MP is for mages, TP is for melee. I'm not saying it will be this way at launch, for all we know, that was probably god-mode.

Way to make a thread about welcoming back a system that I actually enjoyed and wish they had built upon it instead of throwing that idea away and using a similar system to Aion.

most games i've played you can't use your specials untill you fight, but you can use mp attacks right away. It should be, build tp up on one fight(easy fight) than go for the hard kill with max tp.
08-19-2012, 07:25 AM
Arcell

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Originally Posted by Rokien

most games i've played you can't use your specials untill you fight, but you can use mp attacks right away. It should be, build tp up on one fight(easy fight) than go for the hard kill with max tp.

Must not have been many games since most games I've played you can use some skills/special attacks right off the bat.
09-24-2012, 05:18 AM
PinkamenaDiane

He's right in a way if they don't change something people will be running out of TP waiting for it to recharge just like stamina in ARR. But only I don't want it to come back it was horrible mechanic that shouldn't be brought back.
09-24-2012, 05:32 AM
Starlord

Why... just Why did you bump this thread... Just... why? >.> Pressing buttons/keys is what all Games and MMOs have. 11122234434222211111 is what MMOs do.. :/.
09-24-2012, 05:34 AM
PSxpert2011

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09-24-2012, 05:35 AM
Valmonte

i actually liked the stamina system, you could go all out with attacks but that came at a price of wearing yourself out and had to wait there where also a plethora of ways you could pace yourself and never run out of stamina. don't kid yourself if you think this new system is going to be just like it. it probably works like it but the Pacing is done for you.

which i don't like.
09-24-2012, 05:35 AM
PSxpert2011

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Originally Posted by Rokien

With the new tp system, you will now be spamming 11112221133444 again!~ Welcome back stamina!!!!

Hey, You guys were the ones complaining about this one, not I, I'm welcoming it back, I liked the stamina system.

um, NO...

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Originally Posted by Achtzen

I think we still start off at 0% tp, it just doesn't degenerate as it currently does so we can use it for later.

No again, you start out @ 100% and "regains" during combat
09-24-2012, 05:38 AM
casevi

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09-24-2012, 05:55 AM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by Valmonte

i actually liked the stamina system, you could go all out with attacks but that came at a price of wearing yourself out and had to wait there where also a plethora of ways you could pace yourself and never run out of stamina. don't kid yourself if you think this new system is going to be just like it. it probably works like it but the Pacing is done for you.

which i don't like.

I don't see how waiting for your bar to fill to use an attack was fun. God I hope the don't bring it back.
09-24-2012, 06:03 AM
Naraku_Diabolos

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Originally Posted by AsterBarnivere

Why hello there Mr.Vinland, you're just on a roll today aren't you?

Actually I agree with him on this. The TP gauge is sort of like how the Stamina Bar was, but we are unleashing weapon skills along with auto-attacking. The beginning (launch) did not have auto-attack, remember?
09-24-2012, 06:05 AM
Reika

Heh, I wish it were stamina+no auto attack system return :P. But its just faster paced combat system is all...
09-24-2012, 06:07 AM
Priya

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09-24-2012, 06:10 AM
Felis

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Originally Posted by Rokien

With the new tp system, you will now be spamming 11112221133444 again!~ Welcome back stamina!!!!

Hey, You guys were the ones complaining about this one, not I, I'm welcoming it back, I liked the stamina system.

It would be more "1111-out of TP" if you spam them without a plan.
09-24-2012, 06:29 AM
Luaq

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Originally Posted by Starlord

Well.. if there is no TP by hitting and just TP Regen Over time then in a matter of speaking its has "Stamina-like Feature" in a minor impact. ( Except for Dragoon with Invigorate) other than that Rokien is Half right.

However, its no where near your Op Title of 11111123111111, your no where close on that matter.

True. Btw love your signature Starlord Haha !! I've wanted to comment on this facial expression and you pretty much summed it up !!
09-24-2012, 06:35 AM
Starlord

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Originally Posted by Luaq

True. Btw love your signature Starlord Haha !! I've wanted to comment on this facial expression and you pretty much summed it up !!

I forgot I even wrote that my comment haha. Yeah the Sig is epic It's also my expression on what the forums say sometimes O.O -_____________- :O, 3 Expressions at once :p.
09-24-2012, 06:40 AM
Valmonte

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Originally Posted by Zumi

I don't see how waiting for your bar to fill to use an attack was fun. God I hope the don't bring it back.

i don't see how twiddling your thumbs till you have enough TP to chain is fun.
09-24-2012, 06:41 AM
Renen

Yey trolls necroing threads.
09-24-2012, 06:45 AM
Huginn

*hwarf*
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09-24-2012, 06:59 AM
Arcell

I don't think they should ban Rokien or reduce specifically his posting abilities. I think they really should make a cap on thread creation especially so we don't get the flood of threads we currently have. He does intentionally bring up topics just to see the ensuing arguments but, and it really pains me to say it, it's not ALWAYS a bad thing. It just becomes bad when he, or others, stop using actual logic in their arguments and it goes from a discussion to purely trolling.

That said, on this very old topic, I've said it before and I'll say it again:

The new system is very similar to the current system, there's just a few differences.

Currently TP generation is based on delay, abilities and throwing weapons. Abilities are here to stay and throwing weapons look like they're heading out the door so let's focus on delay. Basically currently if two classes auto-attack over a set period of time, provided the delay numbers eventually match up, they will have the same amount of TP. The only time this would not be true is if either one missed an attack.

So how is that similar to the new system? Well let's assume that the TP generation rate is the same for all classes, nothing they've told us suggests otherwise. This simply causes everyone to generate TP at the same rate regardless of delay and no longer penalizes you for missing. Otherwise it's pretty much exactly like the current system.

Things like abilities and the Store TP stat will likely increase the TP generated over time.
09-24-2012, 07:58 AM
Davorok

Mashing buttons in a video game?! Inconceivable!
09-24-2012, 08:49 AM
indira

think its gonna be like FFXI tp burn partys no need for a tank or blm.
09-24-2012, 08:52 AM
Zumi

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Originally Posted by indira

think its gonna be like FFXI tp burn partys no need for a tank or blm.

Like PW in FFXI ? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bsstoOSuvSE
09-24-2012, 09:22 AM
Jynx

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Originally Posted by Huginn

*Hwarf*

Dear Huginn: Please either stop posting in Rokien threads or ban yourself from life. Doing so will assist us in keeping Rokiens threads to him posting something and watching it quickly fall off the front page. Everytime you decide to tell the moderators on the public forum how you feel they should handle things, you just let Rokien keep his post on the front page.
09-24-2012, 09:41 AM
ShenDrakar

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09-24-2012, 09:51 AM
Yellow

The only reason people spammed 1112223311122 was because there was a problem with the system (in which it wouldn't recognise the fact that you pressed the damn ability).

Even if they WERE to bring back the stamina system, what makes you think it will still have all the problems it had in 1.0?

e_e
09-24-2012, 10:15 AM
PSxpert2011

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Originally Posted by Davorok

Mashing buttons in a video game?! Inconceivable!

Fear NOT!!! It's been planned out and fixed! (i so want to test this out cuz it looks fun!)

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09-24-2012, 10:27 AM
Starlord

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so you can brew up more...(may the twelve help us!)

THIS IS WHAT HAPPENS WHEN YOU GIVE INFORMATION!!!! *Looks at Kira's Sig for Adventure time and Yoshi-p Giving News* WHY?! >.<
09-25-2012, 03:52 AM
elreed

Well its true that it looks like the stamina system, lets see what the alpha tester think about it, imo i didnt disagreed on stamina system at all, back then, was faster than what we have now, but the bad thing was that even for normal attacks you had to spam a lot to get tp, with ws i dont think this will be a problem, we have combos now and we only need to worry in the position of the starter ws.

The only class/job that has stamina kinda system is archer atm, for those who doesnt know how was it, think the same light shot spam but for every melee class, the players that raged more were the tanks, too many stuff to do at the same time and having to wait stamina to recharge so you could provoke etc.

In short i dont think it will be too much spam, at the end they will add a timer for ws, im almost certain.
09-25-2012, 04:14 AM
Kiote

Have you never played a game with Universal Cooldown before? It's terrible.
09-25-2012, 04:22 AM
Ruisu

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Have you never played a game with Universal Cooldown before? It's terrible.

Except it's not much different from what we have now. There are still rotations to maximize efficiency and everything. Abilities also don't have a universal cooldown, just Weaponskills.
09-25-2012, 07:54 AM
Rokien

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Originally Posted by Kiote

Have you never played a game with Universal Cooldown before? It's terrible.

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09-25-2012, 09:01 AM
Starlord

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Originally Posted by Rokien

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Troll is obvious

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