Reverse WoW exodus

I never really enjoyed WoW very much. While I did hate DT's story, I'm enjoying the gameplay, so I'm sticking around. But if I was looking at a different MMO, it'd probably either be GW2 or ESO. I recall really enjoying ESO's stories and their pvp. It's been a long time, but I remember liking GW2's gameplay, especially their pvp. And while I'm sure I'd be the only player at this point, I did enjoy SWTOR for a great long while.

Take care. Sorry XIV wasn't your cup of tea. I hope you find the game that makes you happy. I don't really think there's a need for a mass exodus. Those who want to look elsewhere will look elsewhere and those who are still finding something to enjoy in XIV won't need to.

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Originally Posted by Wildheaven182

Yeah, people shouldnt *try* to get others to leave the game. They should all just play what they enjoy. But it's okay to talk about it when we do.

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Misery loves company and it's hard to find one more miserable than an MMO player scorned, lol.

These people will pout and kick their feet but you'll see their sub fee still goin' and they'll still be here clogging up the forums.

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Originally Posted by EdwinChucklenuts

Misery loves company and it's hard to find one more miserable than an MMO player scorned, lol.

These people will pout and kick their feet but you'll see their sub fee still goin' and they'll still be here clogging up the forums.

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how dare them critize the company for a game people want to go on. It sounds like they have something important to them in this game right ? Doenst matter what it is some people dont want to lose it. Be it houses / mounts / achievement / friends doesnt mattet its lifetime, time people ejoyed once and they are mad for ruining it to them. Thx for this post, because this shows people will eat everything CBU3 gives them and if someone speaks against it the only argument is like stop playing,

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Originally Posted by Nebelheim

From my 11 years of playing ff14 no one seems to want to talk or be social unless it's the rp community or it at least seems to have been that way when discord became the norm to talk. Before discord became a thing people would always talk in game and have random conversations which don't seem to happen anymore unless I'm just unlucky.

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Have you tried initiating those conversations yourself? Next time you're in a dungeon or a city just start chatting with people about whatever. I would be incredibly surprised if literally everyone ignores you. Again I can only speak for my own experience and my own server but I've never had any problem with that. Just yesterday I was chatting with my dungeon roulette group about earthquakes after one happened where I live during the run, and afterward some random lala came up and waved to me and a friend in Limsa and we talked for a bit.

I'm really not seeing this socially dead game people try to paint FFXIV as. If you want to see a truly socially dead game go check out WoW. Their megaserver nonsense annihilated the community. You'd have an easier time folding yourself into a diamond than getting anyone to talk in that game. lol

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Originally Posted by Dante131

nah i had a lot of talking earlier but then suddenly square adjusted the tos so that you can report everybody who is hurt your feefees with a simple hay whats up...After this many people told me in private they will never write in the in game chat again. I cant say if it speaks for everybody but i does for me since i got in GM jail for explaining how a tank swap works

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This is code for "I want to be a toxic jerk but the ToS won't let me."

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Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

The discourse was legitimately so bad during MoP that if I dug up old Metacritic reviews circa 2012 for it and told you they were for Dawntrail, you would believe me without a second thought.

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MoP was the worst expansion (at the time) with my favorite class designs. I loved taking every single one of them into the Brawler's Guild. As for the rest of the expansion? Pass.

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Originally Posted by Isala

MoP was the worst expansion (at the time) with my favorite class designs. I loved taking every single one of them into the Brawler's Guild. As for the rest of the expansion? Pass.

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MoP had a couple of flaws at its release but the first 2/3s of the expansion were far better than Cataclysm as far as I was concerned.

If the Barrens dailies and Timeless Isle are all you remember about MoP, then I can understand why you consider it the worst to that point. To me, patch 5.3 killed just about all the good work they had done in recovering from the Cataclysm problems plus fixing the most glaring problem at MoP's launch (couldn't spend VP without grinding rep through faction dailies). But up until then I was having a lot of fun.

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Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

I found that interesting, assuming it's mostly accurate I didn't realize TBC was so contentious as to be lumped in with the likes of Cata, MoP and... gasp... Dawntrail. Although the latter isn't a fair comparison because it's a different game and it's only been out for a month whereas the WoW expansions we're discussing here are 10-15+ years old.

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TBC had a very bad start because everyone was funneled through Hellfire Peninsula when first reaching Outland. Massive log-in queues, zone congestion and frequent server crashes were a result. That led to very bad ratings that were rarely adjusted once players got to end game and could experience the core content.

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Originally Posted by Teah_Kaye

Out of curiosity, what did you dislike about it?

It had some good raiding (Throne of Thunder is still one of the best raid tiers of all time, I think) and a ton of side content, introduced CMs which laid the groundwork for M+, and to top it all off had a semi-cohesive story that was easy to follow.

IMO Cata had less going for it than MoP and was clearly less finished with Abyssal Maw and the Well of Eternity raid getting axed and the final raid, Dragon Soul, being a short raid full of copy pasted recycled boss models.

But if you go by user reception on Metacritic (not the only metric of user enjoyment at all, but I can't think of a better way to assess user sentiment for an expansion that came out more than a decade ago) it is rated the same as Cataclysm and tied for the lowest at the time (5.8) and slightly lower than The Burning Crusade (6.0).

I found that interesting, assuming it's mostly accurate I didn't realize TBC was so contentious as to be lumped in with the likes of Cata, MoP and... gasp... Dawntrail. Although the latter isn't a fair comparison because it's a different game and it's only been out for a month whereas the WoW expansions we're discussing here are 10-15+ years old.

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The Dawntrail comparison is pretty on point, actually. Leveling through the zone with that story was pretty bad. We went from Deathwing to "There are monkeys in my brewery! Please fix" to yet again, sudden world ending threats. It was just tonally all over the place. And having to do that horrible slog of a grind for every character to get things unlocked was just a massive pain in the ass. As much as I loved the BG on my alts, there were just as many alts that stalled halfway through, especially around the time you dealt with the fish people and the constant RP as other characters.

I didn't even know MoP was a disliked expansion, it's one of my favorites! haha Always loved the aesthetic of it and the actual raids/dungeons were fun. Of course Stormblood is also my fav FF14 expac so I'm used to going against the grain. (and I'm enjoying DT thus far thanks to the actual content)

I also love mist of pandaria but i also didnt played it at launch.
But there is a lot to like :D

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Originally Posted by CamuiKushi

I should really give GW2 another shot. I got necro to 80 and haven't touched it since launch.

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If you are willing to go through the expansions you might enjoy the new elite specs. Power Reaper is insanely strong and fun to play, but so is Scourge with its Sand Shades. I find the elite spec Harbinger to be the hardest to play since you are constantly dancing on the fine line between life and death, sacrificing your own life force in order to dish out more damage.

On the topic, I bought FF XIV's DT but haven't touched it once. In fact I still have to play through the last few quests of EW, lol.
Kinda stopped playing FF XIV's story already back then when GW2's SotO came out, despite still being subbed to FF.
Even after finishing SotO in the meanwhile I'm not seeing me returning to FF XIV's story anytime soon. On 20th this month Janthir Wilds comes out and I'm way too hyped about the changes that'll come with it. So FF XIV is being put on the back burner for even longer.

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Originally Posted by Ayalu

I also love mist of pandaria but i also didnt played it at launch.

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MOP at launch was a bit overboard with dailies (I think I was at 1.5h every day just to clear these), but otherwise, it was an amazing expansion, especially after the stupidity of Crappaclysm.
Overall one of my favorite times withe Legion (and TBC, of course).

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Originally Posted by Retsu90

Except MoP was always bad. Dawntrail is only bad because SBI took over production.

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What the heck did I just read?

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Originally Posted by angienessyo

I didn't even know MoP was a disliked expansion

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MOP's hate can be summed by two words: "REEEEE PANDAAAAAAAAS" XD

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Originally Posted by TDawnstar

What the heck did I just read?

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Hot takes from someone who's afraid of the word "woke" and a company.

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Originally Posted by EdwinChucklenuts

Hot takes from someone who's afraid of the word "woke" and a company.

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I was more surprised at the assertion that MOP was bad, to be honest. The whole SBI allegation was just cherry on top.