Legacy players protest to getting into 2.0 Beta!

Pretty sure the entire community right here wants in. Which is great, fantastic, yada yada yada. We all want to see what 2.0 is like.

That wont grab anyone who isn't part of the current community though; Outside people need to try it and see/know it is different so SE can hopefully grab more subs and create a successful MMO.

So I understand why the beta phases are open to everyone, not just us....Even though I reallllly want in.

They already got our feedback, now they need some from people that haven't played or quit a long time ago.

ok, so the legacy thing doesn't count toward getting into beta, so i think they should take the top 2000 players from Gungnir to go to beta ;o

I haven't read thru this long thread, but I think legacy player should allow to test it because at least the legacy players are pretty much well understand how bad the 1.0 was and can go straight to test out the improvements we expected.

Giving to random people is pretty much going the same route as we did for the 1.0 beta... Everyone just enjoying the graphic, wandering around at low level area and dreaming there will be something big later.

I'm more concerned with if we are not getting into the beta, how long will we get access to the 1.0 game?

We have been told that 1.0 will be up through the alpha. so I'm guessing that the alpha is closed beta 1.
I'm thinking that the current game will be up through closed beta 1, when closed beta 2 starts, it will be taken down so they can transfer all the characters. then at open beta we will have our characters in the new world and the open beta will be like a long head start event. I hope that is how it will work. all the legacy will probably get into closed beta 2 as that will be more around the point of major stress testing.

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Originally Posted by Firesped

so I'm guessing that the alpha is closed beta 1.

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I want you to sit back a moment and think really, really hard as to why this sentence is wrong.

Personally, I hated reading all the fail posting from Alpha build all the way on through to open beta. Most of the frequent posters were people who though they were chosen to rewrite history from their view, because they thought they were given the power to do so; when in fact the only thing they were chosen to do was list program problems they found and give general feedback about game-play, even give advice on how certain aspects could be improved. "General feedback" meaning a reaction to the content they were given to interact with, not a life story of how they envisioned the world to be, how it should be, and every tiny detail into how to bring it to fruition; because this was not meant to be "their" game, it was (for the most part) a finished work that needed refinement.

Imo, no one should be "entitled" to a position in the testing phase for the re-release, except may be those that are capable and able to give the developers the information that they are looking for, not peoples' vision on the way to totally redesign an aspect of the game. The Beta phase is designed for refinement, not reform; why can't people understand this?...

I am referring to two different interviews where Yoshida has stated first that there was going to be an alpha test in September and now in another he mentioned closed beta 1, closed beta 2, and open beta. The open beta starting in January, meaning the game might not even launch for 6-7 more monthes.


closed beta 1
Quote from new yoshi interview thread
Q: When will Final Fantasy XIV 2.0 launch?
A: I expect the first Closed Beta for the Japan and International servers to be held end September or early October, entering Closed Beta 2 this winter and Open Beta in January next year. We will be talking to Shanda Games about the China server, with features such as PvP, blocking 3rd party programs and localization, hence the Chian server will launch later.

Quote from Game Watch Interview June 2012
――今後、最後のアップデートとなるパッチ1.23の実装が予定されていますが、その後は一度サーバーダウンしてβテストに移行する予定ですか？
Later on the last update 1.23 is being planned but after that is the server going down once to move into beta test?

吉田氏：そ こに関しては、まずは新生版のαテストを9月末くらいに行ないたいと思っています。それは サーバー負荷試験ですね。その後、βに入りますけれど、フィードバックを徹底的にいただいて、βの期間中にどんどんゲームの比率を上げていこうと思ってい るのですね。で、そこが、ファーストインプレッションでどのくらいの量がきて、どのくらいクリティカルかということによって、現行版をどこまで引っ張るか というのが変わってくると思います。
Yoshida: For that part first we will have alpha test around end of September. That is to test the server load at that time. AFter that we’ll go into beta but after receiving feedback we are planning to increase the game to see how much first impression we get and depending on how critical it is we have to decide how long to stretch the current version.

――1.23とαテストは同時進行という形でいいのですか？
1.23 and Alpha test is going to run at same time, is that correct?

吉田氏：リリースは1.23の方が早いです。ただ今と同じように1.23aとかbとかいうものが予定はされています。
Yoshida: 1.23 release would be earlier; however just like now there is plan for 1.23a or b also.

――1度完全にサーバーを閉じてから新生に変わるのですか？
Server is going to close once then change to 2.0?

吉田氏：いや、αテストは現行版と並行すると思います。
Yoshida: No I think alpha test and current version will run same time.

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Originally Posted by Alerith

I want you to sit back a moment and think really, really hard as to why this sentence is wrong.

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more proof that people dont even know what an alpha or a beta is, thats all it is

no ones getting alpha invites, those are all done in house, but people dont know that

Ive already been playing FFXIV beta for 2 years now, id rather wait untill they release 2.0 proper before i play it. Had enough of beta testing this game lol.

Also hold on a second, what is this ive read about open beta for 2.0 not starting untill january??? are you kidding me lol. So we have version 1.23 with no more numbered version updates for the next 5 months...... thats going to get old really fast.

Another thing do we get to open beta test 2.0 with our current character transfered over or have to open beta test with a new character untill they transfer our chars over for the release version of 2.0 which could end up being in march or feb.

Thats a possible 7-8 months of version 1.23 thats two thirds of an entire year.

Legacy should get first access to 2.0. The later betas should invite newer players as well as older players. This way people have something to do during the shutdown.

well i'm glad most people seem to realize that too many legacy players would not give a good variety of feedback

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Originally Posted by Daku_Naito

Legacy should get first access to 2.0. The later betas should invite newer players as well as older players. This way people have something to do during the shutdown.

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As much as I like playing with you Dark Knighto, I have to disagree.

It was our choice to pay through 1.x they didn't make us. Sure most of us should get in, but really, most of us just wanna play 2.0 and don't really care much about the beta itself. Most of you guys are now blinded by the fact that OMGS 2.0 IS GOING TO BE SOOO AMAZING NOTHING CAN BE WRONG WITH IT, most that have been playing the game till now are going to forget it's just a beta. I say bring in the people who haven't played it give it a go and their feedback, because they out of anyone will give better feed back with thrown in legacy members.


But really, we are already going to get our names in the credits, what more do you guys want? Seriously....

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Originally Posted by Rokien

As much as I like playing with you Dark Knighto, I have to disagree.

It was our choice to pay through 1.x they didn't make us. Sure most of us should get in, but really, most of us just wanna play 2.0 and don't really care much about the beta itself. Most of you guys are now blinded by the fact that OMGS 2.0 IS GOING TO BE SOOO AMAZING NOTHING CAN BE WRONG WITH IT, most that have been playing the game till now are going to forget it's just a beta. I say bring in the people who haven't played it give it a go and their feedback, because they out of anyone will give better feed back with thrown in legacy members.


But really, we are already going to get our names in the credits, what more do you guys want? Seriously....

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You got a point, but id say, mix new players and legacy players.

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Originally Posted by Rokien

As much as I like playing with you Dark Knighto, I have to disagree.

It was our choice to pay through 1.x they didn't make us. Sure most of us should get in, but really, most of us just wanna play 2.0 and don't really care much about the beta itself. Most of you guys are now blinded by the fact that OMGS 2.0 IS GOING TO BE SOOO AMAZING NOTHING CAN BE WRONG WITH IT, most that have been playing the game till now are going to forget it's just a beta. I say bring in the people who haven't played it give it a go and their feedback, because they out of anyone will give better feed back with thrown in legacy members.


But really, we are already going to get our names in the credits, what more do you guys want? Seriously....

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Please shoot me but I kinda agree with Rokien. I mean it would be nice if we all got beta but lets be realistic here. It's probably not going to happen. Some of us may actually get in but not all of us.

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Originally Posted by Ramesses

For instance, Legacy players can swiftly test end game content, battle dynamics, faithful treatment of mythos, transportation efficiency, stressing the network servers, gear/weapon systems...stuff like that.

New players can test exploration dynamics, tutorials efficiency, beginner's levels, inviting more friends to try this new MMO, adjustment + placement of mobs for low level areas, social/cultural interest (is the content exciting enough to make u play more than an hour a day?)

So yeah, a mix is definitely the way to go

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I agree. Well said.

Agree with the quote here as well. I want to get in, it would be nice but I am not hoping for anything. To have an objective beta you need to have long term players, newer players and non players all together. To be honest that would give the best information. Not to mention a variety of players from around the world to have a nice balance to test if there is any latency issue.

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Originally Posted by Nephera

well i'm glad most people seem to realize that too many legacy players would not give a good variety of feedback

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But for 2 years, we've been the only people who could give feedback.
Even my suggestion to let the welcome back members on their own forum for a week was completely ignored.

Legacy players who've actually logged in and played within 20 days of the beta should be first wave imo, maybe staggered if needed.

Then a choice to the people who've been paying for the development of the game since it went monthly, even if they've not logged in for a while.

Then a load of keys given out through the fan sites some time after later.

Some keys then given out through the wider community like mmorpg, massively and gamespot etc (ensuring the specs of PC are wide and a varied demographic are given the chance, not first come first served)

Widen the approach to anyone that applied via SE website, twatter or facebook, based on spec etc as above.

Follow that with 'pre-orderers' of the game giving exclusive access to certain weekends or dates.

Lastly have a free for all stress test that'll delay launch by 2 weeks.

Either way, me first.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

But for 2 years, we've been the only people who could give feedback.
Even my suggestion to let the welcome back members on their own forum for a week was completely ignored.

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Ya, I gave a thumbs up to that ; ; to bad NOPE!

I personally have zero interest in playing beta. I wouldn't care to waste the time I have available to play when I could spend it further progressing my actual character.

As for why they wont give legacy players priority I suspect it's because they want to advertise the games to potential new players via beta keys. It's a pretty common marketing strategy so don't get your hopes up.

Look on the bright side though, all the time you would have wasted playing beta you can spend actually doing something productive towards the progression of a character you will actually use.

...if just 2000 slot... can u still run 1.2xx more until open beta?.. i still have long way to do relic quest... lol

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Originally Posted by Zezil

...if just 2000 slot... can u still run 1.2xx more until open beta?.. i still have long way to do relic quest... lol

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you can do relic after....

I support this thread. At least give us the option to sign up for it, and give the unused slots away to our other people.

Even though I don't care about playing beta I can sympathize with your plight. Unfortunately though it is SE you're complaining too... They have a strict policy on totally disregarding the opinion of the players.

in my option it should be 70% lagacy players 30% new players and 1 spot for me.

i think all of you will agree with me.

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Originally Posted by Sehro

in my option it should be 70% lagacy players 30% new players and 1 spot for me.

i think all of you will agree with me.

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Except that everyone on these forums will say " 1 spot for me" :p