What if: Starting with Dawntrail, everyone starts referring to the WoL as they/them?

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Originally Posted by LynxDubh

Where do you find these S tier gifs?

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Around. Some of these weird shows are on YouTube with subtitles too.

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I unironically love this crap

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Originally Posted by Gemina

There is a specific reason stated in the lore why the Loporrits are mostly referred to by name. Their names are directly related to the tasks they've been assigned, and their entire identity is based on this. There is a secondary less specific reason, and that is because they all look identical. They are still a gendered species, and they will be referred to as he/she, him/her when the context calls for it.

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According to Encyclopedia Eorzea 3, the Loporrits have no biological sexes, they just pick up gendered pronouns because they "find these a charming quirk of the people of Eitherys".

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

According to Encyclopedia Eorzea 3, the Loporrits have no biological sexes, they just pick up gendered pronouns because they "find these a charming quirk of the people of Eitherys".

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OH NO, Enclyclopedia Eorzea is confirmed WOKE.

KEEP POLITICS OUT OF MY VIDEO GAMES

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Originally Posted by DiaDeem

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You are quickly becoming one of my favorite posters.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

According to Encyclopedia Eorzea 3, the Loporrits have no biological sexes, they just pick up gendered pronouns because they "find these a charming quirk of the people of Eitherys".

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Venat created them with literal magic. They're not a natural species so using them for an argument is kind of pointless.

Unless people want to try to co-opt Creationism, say that God made humans genderless and then we humans made gender ourselves...

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Originally Posted by KayRadley

Found the 'phobe

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You must be from the loving, caring, accepting, tolerant, diverse community I keep hearing about

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Originally Posted by Iscah

I agree with the first part of your post – using "they" is misgendering if the person is a "he" or "she" – but the rest of your post in summary is that "old-fashioned singular they has been replaced by a new use as a gender-neutral individual pronoun", which isn't the case at all. Though the person you're quoting isn't correct either.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Singular_they

The older use of singular they is alive and well, but it isn't a catch-all for referring to any single person and not being wrong. There's an ambiguity to it – it's used where the identity of the person being talked about is unclear or concealed or simultaneously addressing all the individuals who the message could apply to.

We use it in internet discussions because the real identity of the person we are referring to is unknown to us.

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I know, I was answering them strictly on the principle of the age of a word as a guarantee of legitimacy. I never said that that specific pronoun wasn't used today (or else there's either a serious reading problem or a serious expression problem on my part).

Side note: even when it's used as an equivalent of the singular, the "they" disappears immediately as soon as the identity of the person is clarified. So it's more of an intermediate step than anything else.

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Originally Posted by TheMightyMollusk

According to Encyclopedia Eorzea 3, the Loporrits have no biological sexes, they just pick up gendered pronouns because they "find these a charming quirk of the people of Eitherys".

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That's cool, but it also expresses the point I made to the poster I quoted that names are used for specificity and become trite when the subject matter is known. The Encyclopedia Eorzea entry on Loporrits is a roundabout way of doing exactly that.

Draconians are also genderless. Yet, when we think of Azdaja, Vrtra, Bahamut, Tiamat, Nidhogg and others of the brood, we will still use male/female pronouns to refer to them. They, themselves also acknowledge this. As an example Vrtra will use "sister" as a term of endearment when speaking or referring to Azdaja along with she/her. Again, it's a roundabout way of doing it, but it's also endearing and inventive, that way a name like Azdaja doesn't become stale.

The Loporrits are even further subject to this considering their names all in end with the suffix, "way." Imagine reading Livingway three times or more in a single phrase, or even multiple Loporrits. Livingway, Cookingway, and Singingway went to Livingway's house, and along the way ran into Dreamingway. What a day!"

.... OK that's actually kinda cute. But you know what I mean!

They would only have to write one script without changing any of the wording depending on players choice of gender, so could save some time.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

Until that offends someone. If referring to me as "they" offends me, then what?

Now we need another term.

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Then you have chosen to be offended. That is your problem and nobody else's.

The WoL in the trailer is a placeholder for your character so you can refer to the WoL as whatever you want and can't be wrong

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Originally Posted by Nobuyuki_Sanada

The WoL in the trailer is a placeholder for your character so you can refer to the WoL as whatever you want and can't be wrong

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Ya know, why does the placeholder have to be the Derplander, why can't we get multiple trailers with different characters as the placeholder, at least the original 5 characters that ended up being used as a base for Ardbert's group. Although swapping out the character for a Lalafell would definitely fuck up the animations.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Ya know, why does the placeholder have to be the Derplander, why can't we get multiple trailers with different characters as the placeholder, at least the original 5 characters that ended up being used as a base for Ardbert's group. Although swapping out the character for a Lalafell would definitely fuck up the animations.

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Because changing out the main character in every trailer would be confusing. New players wouldn't know who it was and existing players would be left wondering if it was a new character. They would have to announce every trailer, "this is the WoL!", and that still wouldn't fix the they/them issue as looks don't imply one's preferred reference. There is nothing broke here to fix, nothing here is offensive or non-inclusive.

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Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard

Ya know, why does the placeholder have to be the Derplander, why can't we get multiple trailers with different characters as the placeholder, at least the original 5 characters that ended up being used as a base for Ardbert's group. Although swapping out the character for a Lalafell would definitely fuck up the animations.

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I kind of agree, I tried playing other races, but then feel out if place if i'm not derplander. But I suppose there isn't enough money and other stuff for switching the placeholder in the trailers.

What is weird though, is that the in game trailer did used to get different races, I remember back in the they PLD was showcased as a Miqo'te for example in ARR and stuff, now everything is derplander.

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Originally Posted by Ritsuka-55

I kind of agree, I tried playing other races, but then feel out if place if i'm not derplander. But I suppose there isn't enough money and other stuff for switching the placeholder in the trailers.

What is weird though, is that the in game trailer did used to get different races, I remember back in the they PLD was showcased as a Miqo'te for example in ARR and stuff, now everything is derplander.

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Uh I mean ... according to census the MAJORITY of the players don't play derplander, and the majority also played female characters and I don't think that's ever been an issue. Asking for a different CGI cutsceen for each race would go beyond what most consider a reasonable demand ... by several magnitude

Add to that the fact that Derplander is a brand mascot at this point.

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Originally Posted by Immut

Then you have chosen to be offended. That is your problem and nobody else's.

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But if you can cater to the they/them folks, why can't you cater to those offended by they/them pronouns?

It's really unfair.

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Originally Posted by Troxbark

Found the imperialist.

Edit: The best part is that you ask for peoples opinions then attack them when you don't get the answer you're looking for, lmao. If there was a clown emote, it would be very appropriate right now.

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Haha i still have to laugh at OPs pathetic try to bait people just to call them out if they dont share his/her opinion XD

Well at least this thread is a good entertaining read as work is going slow today.

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I do not play male hyur but I would be very upset if they stopped using him as the face of the game.

He's a cool guy.

Anyway, here's some trivia for you.

Back in 1.0 there was this CG lady that could have been an alternative to John Fantasy for any cutscene. Like... I think the idea was to make them interchangeable, until they decided against it.
https://64.media.tumblr.com/575ba543...0083140d04.jpg

Part of me was hoping they'd start a new adventure after EW and they'd use her instead, but did I really care that much? Nah. I like John Fantasy, The Final Man.

As an option go for it.

Where's the tastefully animated beard stubble?

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Originally Posted by Oizen

I do not play male hyur but I would be very upset if they stopped using him as the face of the game.

He's a cool guy.

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He fights primals and doesn't afraid of anything.