I am tentatively hopeful that it is just because of the stark lighting, because what they showed is in a very bright location with midday/clear skies. It makes sense for wanting to have "neutral" lighting, though it's still maybe a bit too stark. Still super, super happy that it's clear they saw and understood what was being discussed here, and it's a good step in the right direction!Quote:
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01-07-2024, 01:06 PMeternalmagic
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01-07-2024, 01:21 PMCNitsah
At one point in time, I hope they will show us feet and hands. Hands and (especially) feet need a rework too.
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01-07-2024, 01:31 PMQwertySparrowNot a Fan of The Viera Noses
I want to say I am very happy to see the graphical updates to all the characters and how it adds so much quality to the WOL. And I am a fan of the majority of changes to skin tones and defining features, but I am sad to say that I am disappointed in the direction they took the viera noses. My fav part of the viera's faces were their cute bunny like noses and it makes me sad to see the team make them sharper in the 7.0 update. It makes them lose a lot of their charm and makes it feel like Im playing a hyur with bunny ears. I just hope it doesn't change the nose of the viera face I am using because I love my viera's bunny nose a lot.
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01-07-2024, 01:43 PMTheDruidOcelotreally not a fan of how dull the new M!Miqo'te irises look. makes them really flat and matte looking which is just quite unappealing to me. the grey undertone on dark skintones is still there, and is even more noticeable with the VERY stark white highlight. there's been an improvement, but its still got a ways to go imo.Quote:
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01-07-2024, 02:19 PMAmbarhauraAgreed, why did they give the bunny-like race a more human nose in the before/after "graphics update" example? That isn't just a graphics update, it is a fundamental design change and not cool. I hope that is a mistake/bug/not finished yet.Quote:
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01-07-2024, 05:03 PMaulierre
Echoing the sentiment that the darker skin tones aren't playing well with the highlights and shadows (the highlights are a stark white, and the shadows are a plain black), and the way the graphical update expresses the base skintone seems to desaturate the skin. Darker-skinned characters look both plasticky (due to the highlights) and ashen (due to their desaturated skin). A decent range of dark skin tones were previewed, so it seems to be an issue with the general rendering of the graphical update, rather than the developers just picking one ashy skin tone by chance.
As a result, in the previews, various dark-skinned characters seemed to have ashy skintones with desaturated undertones. The pale-skinned characters, by contrast, seemed to have warmer undertones. My suggestion: try to ensure darker skin tones have more saturated undertones (either cool or warm undertones, depending on where in the colorpicker the skin tone was chosen from) to off-set the ashy effect.
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01-08-2024, 02:12 AMSchwarzwaelderTorte
yooo the two feedback threads from EU Fanfest are winning congrats us
Yeah, I'm pretty sure the ashy, cold looking undertones are due to the lighting. If you look at any metallic material they've shown it's the same, everything is a lot bluer than before, and I suspect it's due to their new "physics based" rendering in an attempt to make a fantasy game more realistic for some reason : o )
(To be honest it's an issue in a lot of games recently, everything has blue shadows and undertones no matter the art style...)
I think it's something we'll easily be able to counter in gpose by placing warmer lights (or with housing items), but it will probably not be very flattering in cutscenes...
I'm not sure how they could improve it either from a technical point of view, since at the moment the character creator only lets you pick one skintone from a predetermined palette. A sheen slider would be good, instead of it being an on/off toggle depending on the skintone you pick, but being able to affect the color of it would be great as well... the problem is that if you give too much ~ creative freedom ~ to players it could start looking a little funky if they pick clashing colors on purpose. But setting a predetermined sheen value and color to EVERY skin tone on EVERY race sounds like hell for the devs too. -
01-08-2024, 03:36 AMIscahRealism in visuals and realism in the setting are two completely separate things.Quote:
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04-15-2024, 01:10 AMmercvry
Well, here we go, we got the benchmark!
How is everyone feeling about their WoL?
For my sunseeker I personally don't mind any of the changes done, HOWEVER.
The lighting in the character creator feels worse than before?
With the update of the hands, I hope we can get lighter palms and soles of the feet for dark skinned characters
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04-15-2024, 01:27 AMLuluLavender
Well I'm not sure if my characters skin is dark enough to be valid for this thread, but currently it is dark enough for me to experience problems in some cutscenes in game. Personally, I'm so happy with the changes! I was worried at first, flipping through the different lighting in the character creator, but I quickly realised that your characters skin reflects the environment lighting now, so sometimes in dull and grey lighting, your skin can take on a dull look. At first, I was worried that the colour was dramatically lightened, but it was just the lighting!
https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachmen...97e77fcc397cf&
Looking very grey in dreary lighting
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Same character, same skin, much more warm lighting!
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04-15-2024, 02:14 AMWolfhein
Actually really liked how the lightning worked on dark skinned fem hro.
Will check my drow-skin Viera/Roe later, but really happy with this one:
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04-15-2024, 02:28 AMunderpinnings
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this feels very concerning, the washing out of darker skin tones, the ashy/grey base, etc. this is a throughline through every dark tone for female hrothgal, for both the lost and hellion, and this doesn't even touch on the fact that they literally do not match the color picker whic shows these very lush, vibrant and warm colors. -
04-15-2024, 02:33 AMRudje
Try turning the benchmark gamma down (it's at like 50 by default), but I've seen other screenshots that have me concerned about the darker tones. Seen too much grey hair that was supposed to be black...
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04-15-2024, 04:21 AMeternalmagic
I also wanted to come back to this thread with the benchmark officially out--the first thing I did was actually make a dark-skinned/furred fem!Hroth to see how she'd look. I do still think there are issues with how washed out skintones are looking, but hopefully that will change if I fiddle with the gamma correction. But we'll see.
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04-15-2024, 04:43 AMcrystallineAbyss
As I feared, dark skin on femra looks awful :') It's washed out, and if anything my wol is lighter than she used to be - which was exactly what I feared. There's no undertone, she looks lifeless...just why? Also, they clearly didn't test it because there's light artifacts around the scales. It's just...bad. Even messing with the gamma doesn't work. I'm just extremely disappointed.
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04-15-2024, 04:48 AMWarchamp7You can't hotlink images from Discord like that. You'll have to upload them somewhere like imgurQuote:
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06-04-2024, 09:24 PMmercvry
How are feeling about the new Benchmark?
I think I'm personally good with it, my boy looks fine in CC though i might change his eye shape since now they're kinda very sleepy looking, but that's not what this thread is about lol.
I feel like some of the shadows "in game" (in the Benchmark cutscene) still look a bit washed out to me and I have to yet look at him in the darker light setting the Benchmark provides now
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