Can we talk about the Yoshi P double standard and bias here?

It's merely a coincidence that the best job in PVP and the most complex in PVE is Yoshida's main, nothing to see here, Yoshida assures you that all jobs are given the same scrutinous gaze, attention and love that BLM is. What you see with your own eyes isn't true, Yoshida says otherwise. Please believe Yoshida when he says your job has the same love and care that Black Mage does.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

It's merely a coincidence that the best job in PVP and the most complex in PVE is Yoshida's main, nothing to see here, Yoshida assures you that all jobs are given the same scrutinous gaze, attention and love that BLM is. What you see with your own eyes isn't true, Yoshida says otherwise. Please believe Yoshida when he says your job has the same love and care that Black Mage does.

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I wish he would actually play the other jobs to see what they are like but i guess thats too much to ask.

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Originally Posted by EagleDynamics

I wish he would actually play the other jobs to see what they are like but i guess thats too much to ask.

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this is what i kinda disagree with tbh. who's to say he doesn't play every other job just not at the savage hardcore level? sure he has some influence over the balance team but at the end of the day. it's the balance teams jobs to make sure kits feel good at all skill levels. but the issue is it feels like they only adjust around people who "clear" story content and call it a day. the only reason BLM gets actual balancing around the board is cause someone there does play it at all skill levels is the way i see it. and thats the issue it's why balance teams normally get view points from players of all skill levels or actually have people who play at all skill levels.

if what the rumors say are true and the healer guy on the balance team was fired cause he "got gud" that would honestly explain alot tbh

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Originally Posted by Deveryn

Ya'll know this is a business first, right? It's always gonna be about the money. No money no game. That being said, this whole idea of bias and some of these lists are just ridiculous. The whole BLM bias thing is especially funny (but also sad). On the flip side, some people want maybe a little too much for free. :p

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No customers no money, I don't see your point. The longer they continue to focus on the predatory housing system and the useless overpriced cash shop over player satisfaction with the gameplay, the more goodwill they'll burn up because it shows they very clearly do not care about the customer. You can yell "it's a business!!!" all you want but businesses run on customers. If they continue to show that they don't care about the customer, then the active player count will continue to drop harder than they did immediately following 6.0. If they make these promises and then break them, and the players get rightfully upset, that's not "wanting too much for free" that's wanting the devs to keep their promises. And don't be obtuse, BLM updates getting a lodestone post in response to memes while SAM mains have been crying for the sorry state the 6.1 update put their job in without even a glance in their direction from the devs is textbook bias. You're by far the most devoted bootlicker I've seen on this site, it makes me wonder how much they're paying you because I don't know how anyone can subsist off a diet of rubber like this.

Edit: and don't even try to tell me housing isn't predatory just because it's optional, the same can easily be said for any p2w gacha game but we all agree they're predatory because they keep players funneling money into them. Housing is designed to force you to keep a sub.

Heck you don't even need PvP to make this point, PvP nonsense was just the cherry on top.

If Black Mage wasn't Yoshi's darling it wouldn't be alive in the state it is today. There's little room for debate on this after Endwalker.

I cannot stomach a healer in this game anymore yet BLM has been admitted to hold encounter design hostage. It's been what, seven or eight years since Heavensward and end game hasn't grown an ounce but yeah man, gotta make sure your baby can shine, rev up that additional dev time for every boss.

Black Mage is also the most popular job in the franchise yet it's next to unseen in XIV on the whole because barely anyone has the patience to deal with it. An awkward point when the game is hurting for casters.

I like Yoshi a lot, so I'm not trying to tar and feather the guy, he's a smart dude and he pulled off a small miracle with XIV but he needs to get his head into the current game if it's going to last another ten.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

It's merely a coincidence that the best job in PVP and the most complex in PVE is Yoshida's main, nothing to see here, Yoshida assures you that all jobs are given the same scrutinous gaze, attention and love that BLM is. What you see with your own eyes isn't true, Yoshida says otherwise. Please believe Yoshida when he says your job has the same love and care that Black Mage does.

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I believe my jobs do. I have fun with my mains and hate how blm plays in both pve and pvp. Blm being complex doesn't automatically make it better or even good for that matter tbh. Also blm is the best in pvp? Thought that was Smn as more folks mention that. And wasn't blm garbo in pvp until the buffs? If it wasn't it seems so, nobody used it til now in my experience.

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Originally Posted by Nizzi

It's merely a coincidence that the best job in PVP and the most complex in PVE is Yoshida's main, nothing to see here, Yoshida assures you that all jobs are given the same scrutinous gaze, attention and love that BLM is. What you see with your own eyes isn't true, Yoshida says otherwise. Please believe Yoshida when he says your job has the same love and care that Black Mage does.

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don't forget that it's a coincidence that lalafels always get the special armour made specifically for their ears and large heads while other races end up having massive clipping issues or just having their ears/hair styles/headgear removed entirely and also that a lot of mounts that seem jank between races that always seem conveniently are scaled perfectly for lalafell and how they could just raise ceilings just -slightly- in housing to make it so roes and hrothgar can use lofts without it being a huge pain or able to just... simply use the spiral staircase item in general or--

i know people will say "oh but lalafell are the most popular race on the JP data centre that's why it gets the most love" but... that's not an excuse. each race/class should get the same amount of attention because otherwise why bother having different races/classes. like. why? it also doesn't help that there is literally no instance of something breaking for a lalafell or lalafells having to deal with subpar mounts or ill-fitting equipment/furniture and the fact that he plays one isn't helping people's perception that he only cares about black mages and lalas.

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Originally Posted by Denji

i know people will say "oh but lalafell are the most popular race on the JP data centre that's why it gets the most love" but... that's not an excuse.

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Oh it isn't an excuse. If popularity were what made the devs give more attention to parts of the game, they'd always have a consistent level of quality. For example, WHM being the most played class according to FFXIV Census (dunno how accurate this is tho) among healers, especially at endgame, should make it the most thought-out job in the game. One which the devs would surely listen to feedback about.

And yet. Reality ensues.

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Originally Posted by Midareyukki

Oh it isn't an excuse. If popularity were what made the devs give more attention to parts of the game, they'd always have a consistent level of quality. For example, WHM being the most played class according to FFXIV Census (dunno how accurate this is tho) among healers, especially at endgame, should make it the most thought-out job in the game. One which the devs would surely listen to feedback about.

And yet. Reality ensues.

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Could it be it is the most played job because it's the easiest to do well? Or is it the theme?

I wish SE did more polls in game... I'm curious. Sometimes it's obvious making it easier WAS the more popular choice, other times there might be confounding variables.

Not that I'm against some jobs having a higher level of play (I think there should be a general spread), but it might be SE is like "I hear you want that, and I also see that you're full of it". lol. Or at least that might be their perspective.

I mean if someone was trying to sell Ultimate as a majority content that they need to spend the most of their resources on, and they didn't know better it would probably happen like that. "Yeah, now I don't believe you". It's obviously a minority content, but for those who do it- it's obviously something they're happy to have exist.

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Originally Posted by Shougun

Could it be it is the most played job because it's the easiest to do well? Or is it the theme?

I wish SE did more polls in game... I'm curious. Sometimes it's obvious making it easier WAS the more popular choice, other times there might be confounding variables.

Not that I'm against some jobs having a higher level of play (I think there should be a general spread), but it might be SE is like "I hear you want that, and I also see that you're full of it". lol. Or at least that might be their perspective.

I mean if someone was trying to sell Ultimate as a majority content that they need to spend the most of their resources on, and they didn't know better it would probably happen like that. "Yeah, now I don't believe you". It's obviously a minority content, but for those who do it- it's obviously something they're happy to have exist.

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My personal opinion/supposition is that it's simply the first healer you have access to without any effort. SCH requires getting arcanist to 30, AST and SGE require leveling + reaching the appropriate expansion. This is also probably why there are so many terrible white mages -- if you choose white mage as your first class and you're the type of person who refuses to try new things or listen to critique, you're likely going to both remain a white mage and be terrible at it.

There's an obvious Bias to BLM. I strongly believe DRG, NIN and SMN also have or used to have a Bias.

-The job is getting more and more mobile but keeps being balanced like if it was a turret.
-Job getting free charges on Triplecast while other jobs gets a trait for a charge or a few seconds of cooldown reduction.
-It's allowed to keep its first identity and only got QoLs instead of reworks.
-BLM is allowed to keep its complexity and has never been dumbed down.

There is no feedback today on BLM because the job is simply flawless and brings its own value to the team.
Compare that to other jobs:
-How many years until Living Dead was finally changed, charges on BW?
-How many years since the unengaging Healer feedback?
-How long until MCH finally gets at least charges on HC?
-How many more years until dashes see their potency removed?

Those are many, many feedback that have been ignored or put back for too long, until the problem explose and the majority is fed up.
Meanwhile BLM starts to get QoLs before the problem even start showing its nose.

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Originally Posted by Denji

My personal opinion/supposition is that it's simply the first healer you have access to without any effort. SCH requires getting arcanist to 30, AST and SGE require leveling + reaching the appropriate expansion. This is also probably why there are so many terrible white mages -- if you choose white mage as your first class and you're the type of person who refuses to try new things or listen to critique, you're likely going to both remain a white mage and be terrible at it.

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If they somehow decide to rework healers as a whole, one of the things I'd low-key like them tondo is remake ACN into a healer, so new players have more than one choice at the start of the game to heal.

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Originally Posted by CKNovel

There's an obvious Bias to BLM. I strongly believe DRG, NIN and SMN also have or used to have a Bias.

-The job is getting more and more mobile but keeps being balanced like if it was a turret.
-Job getting free charges on Triplecast while other jobs gets a trait for a charge or a few seconds of cooldown reduction.
-It's allowed to keep its first identity and only got QoLs instead of reworks.
-BLM is allowed to keep its complexity and has never been dumbed down.

There is no feedback today on BLM because the job is simply flawless and brings its own value to the team.
Compare that to other jobs:
-How many years until Living Dead was finally changed, charges on BW?
-How many years since the unengaging Healer feedback?
-How long until MCH finally gets at least charges on HC?
-How many more years until dashes see their potency removed?

Those are many, many feedback that have been ignored or put back for too long, until the problem explose and the majority is fed up.
Meanwhile BLM starts to get QoLs before the problem even start showing its nose.

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Hahaha, yeah... or you just have a bunch of people that gave up on the job and at this point have left it to it's fate, because no one cares about BLM. RDM is probably the only one that is in a happy medium right now.

The final stage of an unanswered problem is silence, because that is when people just don't care anymore. The reason the healer problem is probably the noisiest one is that no one can walk away from healers as a group. Go from a WHM to a Scholar and the same problems that healers complain about remain. Go from a Scholar to an Astro and the same problem remains. The game doesn't let someone skip out on having a healer in any meaningful content.

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Originally Posted by Colt47

Hahaha, yeah... or you just have a bunch of people that gave up on the job and at this point have left it to it's fate, because no one cares about BLM. RDM is probably the only one that is in a happy medium right now.

The final stage of an unanswered problem is silence, because that is when people just don't care anymore. The reason the healer problem is probably the noisiest one is that no one can walk away from healers as a group. Go from a WHM to a Scholar and the same problems that healers complain about remain. Go from a Scholar to an Astro and the same problem remains. The game doesn't let someone skip out on having a healer in any meaningful content.

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Eh idk. I've seen a few claim that healers aren't needed at all in xiv rn