Samurai and Ninja classes...Please for the love of the twelve add them

I see people requesting jobs like SAM, NIN and SMN but it goes like:

Lets make a Strider class that unlocks Ninja!
Lets make a Ronin class that unlocks Samurai!
Lets make a Witch Doctor that unlocks Summoner!

Just some random classes nobody really cares about that exist for the sole purpose of unlocking jobs... that's just effing convoluted/over complicated/gimmicky.


Hear this out!

Now this might seem crazy but how about we completely remove classes?

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Calm down, calm down!

If there are no more classes, you can have your Samurais, Ninjas, Dark Knights AND Summoners!

Right out of the box, no extra planning, unnecessary classes no armory system and maybe just maybe... more than one weapon to use!

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Maybe we'll even be able to choose what jobs we want to sub... like that other game...


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Originally Posted by Arkine

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You have my vote.

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Originally Posted by Skies

Artist? You want something akin to Realm? That could get complicated in an MMO, although i'd love to hear ideas

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Look at it this way, the ninja casts ninja spell and you see some kanji popping out of their head and the mob is paralyzed, or the black mage mumbles and waves arms and the mob is paralyzed or the dancer wiggles bottom and the mob is paralyzed or the bard does a musical fart and the mob is paralyed or the artist paints some picture from the Kama Sutra in the air with magic brush and the mob is paralyzed.
All that is different is the dressing (up), maybe one day there will be an artist job where actual skill is needed to paint commands with your touchscreen, that would be rather fun.

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Originally Posted by Thebard

Look at it this way, the ninja casts ninja spell and you see some kanji popping out of their head and the mob is paralyzed, or the black mage mumbles and waves arms and the mob is paralyzed or the dancer wiggles bottom and the mob is paralyzed or the bard does a musical fart and the mob is paralyed or the artist paints some picture from the Kama Sutra in the air with magic brush and the mob is paralyzed.
All that is different is the dressing (up), maybe one day there will be an artist job where actual skill is needed to paint commands with your touchscreen, that would be rather fun.

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Ahaha, yeah, I know where you're going I just couldn't pass up a chance to point out that an 'artist' has, in fact, been part of Final Fantasy before! So there's canon if they wanna do it like that.

Regardless- An Artist job that plays out more or less how the special abilities system (specifically the draw ones) in Sonic Chronicles worked, that would be pretty boss

No... Red Mage first... :)

Time Mage :D

Brown Mage

Gun Mage



I mean who else would use a gunblade?

Mage Mage!

I will say, whenever they decide to bring in Samurai, I don't care if it is good or bad, I will drop everything else I play and jump straight to that.

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Originally Posted by Velhart

I will say, whenever they decide to bring in Samurai, I don't care if it is good or bad, I will drop everything else I play and jump straight to that.

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I would switch if they weren't like GLD/PLD (low damage tanks). IMO it would be best if they were DD, but a high-damage tank would be okay too.

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Originally Posted by Thebard

Fixed.

Personally I would much rather see a more original job idea, say artist, if you have played Okami you will have an idea of what I mean, it could be amazing and function not unlike bard did in xi.

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If you mean "run around doing nothing to contribute to the actual fight, spamming songs and being largely unattractive to the general populace despite the fact that encounters were balanced around the possibility of you being around", I will have to pass. FFXI's Bard is what made me hate the concept of "support". I was indifferent up until then.

i liked Bard In everquest onlone adventure it work alot like rogue it dual weilded sword it had very nice HoT and MoTs. and did very nice damage about the only thin that made rogue better was backstabs that did critcal damgae from behind.

Hi :D I just finalized my ninja design and I hope you guys like it ^^


Ninja– Discipline

"The Reaper is always just a step behind me..." – Shadow

I want to design ninja with evasion tanking mind as well as use of an elemental wheel for excellent magic damage. This should be similar of the original ff1 ninja who came from thief roots but gained black magic as well. The elemental wheel is done through a skill called Ninjutsu which allows a ninja to lead the elements in battle or generate damage between the astral and ubral mini cycles on two different enemies. Ninja will have access to throwing kunai and shuriken for ranged pulls and side damage. For a 15 minute ability I decided shadow fall would be good. Rather than sacrificing yourself like Mijin Gakure, you sacrifice all of your shadows dealing more damage for more shadows consumed. Since using this will leave you vulnerable you pop into hiding as soon as the attack is complete.

Requires: GLD + THM (15 THM)

-Yonin: Take stance increasing enmity and evasion, but decreases magic potency and throwing damage. Increases store TP.

-Humma Shuriken: Throw a large shuriken dealing damage to enemies in a frontal cone; inflicts bleeding.

-Innin: Take stance reducing enmity and evasion but increasing magic potency and throwing damage. Generate MP over time.

-Ninjutsu: Deals elemental damage and shifts the elemental weakness of an enemy to that of a submissive element. The next cast of this ability uses the next element in the wheel. Fire -> Earth -> Ice -> Water -> Wind -> Lightning -> Fire
The flow of resistances are; Ice -> Lightning -> Wind -> Earth -> Fire -> Water -> Ice

-Kage ga Ochiru: Consume all shadows dealing massive umbral magic damage in an area of effect; vanishes after the attack is complete.

Trait: Utsusemi: Double the amount of shadows gained from blink.

You can find the full job guide in my signature link with info on transferble skills and skill descriptions for the scout class.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

If you mean "run around doing nothing to contribute to the actual fight, spamming songs and being largely unattractive to the general populace despite the fact that encounters were balanced around the possibility of you being around", I will have to pass. FFXI's Bard is what made me hate the concept of "support". I was indifferent up until then.

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Wow somebody is a grumpy pants!

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Originally Posted by Duelle

If you mean "run around doing nothing to contribute to the actual fight, spamming songs...

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Umm.. you know that "spamming songs" actually contribute to the "actual fight"? If not, you were a bad bard.

My Ninja design:

http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:A...b61YcHBcnGbB5Q + http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-F61yxC9YBr...%2B360s.vn.jpg = awesome

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Originally Posted by Thebard

Wow somebody is a grumpy pants!

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I call it like it is. Few liked playing bard because all the job entailed was spamming songs with /WHM acting as supplement. Problem is, SE balanced stuff in XI around the fact that a BRD was present, which created a problem: Everyone wanted a BRD to maximize performance but the job was not appealing enough to create a sizeable pool of players that played the job. Hence the birth of the princess BRD.

For all of CoP I used to say that we wouldn't be having that issue if BRD was more battle-oriented like the best "support" class ever made, Lineage II's Blade Dancer. Unlike the song-spamming BRD, BD were insanely popular between being one of the only two classes that could dual wield and the fact the class was only slightly behind the DPS classes (despite it also having the best offensive buffs in the game). SE tried to do that with Corsair (even giving it the whole pirate aesthetic) and proceded to mess it up with how the decent ammo was not worth the cost to make.

FFXI's Bard put such a bad taste in my mouth that I haven't had any desire to play a Bard in any other RPG I've played since.

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Originally Posted by Duelle

I call it like it is. Few liked playing bard because all the job entailed was spamming songs with /WHM acting as supplement. Problem is, SE balanced stuff in XI around the fact that a BRD was present, which created a problem: Everyone wanted a BRD to maximize performance but the job was not appealing enough to create a sizeable pool of players that played the job. Hence the birth of the princess BRD.

For all of CoP I used to say that we wouldn't be having that issue if BRD was more battle-oriented like the best "support" class ever made, Lineage II's Blade Dancer. Unlike the song-spamming BRD, BD were insanely popular between being one of the only two classes that could dual wield and the fact the class was only slightly behind the DPS classes (despite it also having the best offensive buffs in the game). SE tried to do that with Corsair (even giving it the whole pirate aesthetic) and proceded to mess it up with how the decent ammo was not worth the cost to make.

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Ah you speak for everyone, how stupid of me not to realise Mr President!

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Originally Posted by Arkine

I see people requesting jobs like SAM, NIN and SMN but it goes like:

Lets make a Strider class that unlocks Ninja!
Lets make a Ronin class that unlocks Samurai!
Lets make a Witch Doctor that unlocks Summoner!

Just some random classes nobody really cares about that exist for the sole purpose of unlocking jobs... that's just effing convoluted/over complicated/gimmicky.

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I totally agree, so there shouldn't be anymore classes to be added UNLESS... unless it brings something new to the table then other classes can ever offer. A lot of casuals and hardcores were kept in mind for this diverse system and many of both have been humanly capable of taking all classes(if not just one) to lv.50. NO PROBLEM.
(strange idea but used in FF Tactics) There's no reason why a COMBINATION of classes(not jobs) can't be a solution to adding more jobs to unlock.

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Originally Posted by Arkine

If there are no more classes, you can have your Samurais, Ninjas, Dark Knights AND Summoners!

Right out of the box, no extra planning, unnecessary classes no armory system and maybe just maybe... more than one weapon to use!

http://www.power-of-giving.com/image...ess-quotes.jpg

Maybe we'll even be able to choose what jobs we want to sub... like that other game...


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(Thumbs DOWN) :eek:
This is a negative movement/ plague to an already system we grew to know, get used to and love.
* The idea of the armory system was to switch classes on the fly. In the step it take to switch classes, you can switch jobs w/o going back to the inn or private room. What more can be convenient than that??

If the DEVs spoiled you as a player anymore, there's wouldn't be a time-sink and you be done playing before there's ever time to make more content. Beside, those ideas above my friend have been published before in a 10 year old MMORPG that's still on-going. FFXIV was designed to play differently. Ya have to deal with it my friends. Like the old saying, "Life should'nt be JUST about destinations BUT the journey".

Since i played this game (almost 2 years) and i'm waiting to play Samurai once more and i'm tired of waiting :(

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

I totally agree, so there shouldn't be anymore classes to be added UNLESS... unless it brings something new to the table then other classes can ever offer. A lot of casuals and hardcores were kept in mind for this diverse system and many of both have been humanly capable of taking all classes(if not just one) to lv.50. NO PROBLEM.
(strange idea but used in FF Tactics) There's no reason why a COMBINATION of classes(not jobs) can't be a solution to adding more jobs to unlock.

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There is no need what so ever that I can think of to add new classes but
1-Access to new abilities (3-5 at best per class, with the majority just being 3 not counting WSs but who equips those anyway?)
2-Access to new jobs which is what people want much more than the class.
3-Access to new weapon types. (Purely aesthetics)

However Jobs can have abilities that can be crossed, jobs themselves are the jobs people make up classes to unlock and without being locked to one weapon as enforced by the armory system you can have many more weapons with their own weapon skills.

Mace/Morning-star Paladin
Hammer/Club Warrior
Tun-fa/Staff Monk

Some content could have mobs weak to blunt damage, or stabbing etc etc.

Also adding just a job that you can unlock and play @lv1 is more satisfying that adding a Class then later adding a job (I highly doubt we'll get the job WITH the class at the same time) and just being a lv50 "that job".

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Originally Posted by PSxpert2011

(Thumbs DOWN) :eek:
This is a negative movement/ plague to an already system we grew to know, get used to and love.
* The idea of the armory system was to switch classes on the fly. In the step it take to switch classes, you can switch jobs w/o going back to the inn or private room. What more can be convenient than that??

If the DEVs spoiled you as a player anymore, there's wouldn't be a time-sink and you be done playing before there's ever time to make more content. Beside, those ideas above my friend have been published before in a 10 year old MMORPG that's still on-going. FFXIV was designed to play differently. Ya have to deal with it my friends. Like the old saying, "Life should'nt be JUST about destinations BUT the journey".

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The original armory system was based around fatigue, had total freedom with no limits on abilities, no jobs and many other factors and aspects that were either scraped/changed/removed/added into the current one.

Switching on the fly is fine and dandy but it requires more limitations just like classes and jobs got limits added to them so should this, since the ability to be anything at any time created situations like job stacking, mid-dungeon party changing. (Easy mode)

As for removing classes this is nothing but positive and I dare say and improvement over the current gimmicky system that the new team got stuck with from the old. adding limitations and jobs is their attempts to get rid of the plague of all classes using the exact same abilities and being basically the same class with a different weapon.

Remember needing THM50 for emulate just to be able to tank on GLA? yeah they adjusted that and now Jobs are limited to just 2 sub classes and the highest you need a secondary class is 42(ARC) for chameleon and with the job system and not all of them need to, which is an improvement. those that just want WAR will just need GLA22 and PUG14 for the abilities (but MRD30 GLA15 to unlock) which is a lot feasible.

Why not take it a step further and just remove classes?