Can we please get a dev comment about servers being full?

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I've got some additional details to share with you all in regards to the Worlds being at capacity on the application page. Multiple times throughout the day, the data will be collected and reviewed by the development and operations teams. Once they've calculated the amount of space that has been opened up from characters transferring, they will then manually update the application page to change some Worlds from "X" to "△". This will often take place from the hours between the evening to the morning each day (PST). Users wishing to move are urged to check the application page during those times for newly opened Worlds.

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TY as always B, I myself love it on Besaid and am looking forward to the FABULous personalities that will join us on Balmonger!!!

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I've got some additional details to share with you all in regards to the Worlds being at capacity on the application page. Multiple times throughout the day, the data will be collected and reviewed by the development and operations teams. Once they've calculated the amount of space that has been opened up from characters transferring, they will then manually update the application page to change some Worlds from "X" to "△". This will often take place from the hours between the evening to the morning each day (PST). Users wishing to move are urged to check the application page during those times for newly opened Worlds.

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Dude! You've been there like twelve hours today. You has to escape the building. Ninja flip out of there.

(And thanks for the update, mwee hee hee)

edit: Wait... are these Playstation buttons?
*unlocks the way to always transfer*

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Originally Posted by Bayohne

Greetings,

I've got some additional details to share with you all in regards to the Worlds being at capacity on the application page. Multiple times throughout the day, the data will be collected and reviewed by the development and operations teams. Once they've calculated the amount of space that has been opened up from characters transferring, they will then manually update the application page to change some Worlds from "X" to "△". This will often take place from the hours between the evening to the morning each day (PST). Users wishing to move are urged to check the application page during those times for newly opened Worlds.

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Bayohne you and the other devs. involved are awesome but did you know that being awake for more than 16 hours is the same as having a blood alcohol level of .05%? GO TO SLEEP BRO

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Originally Posted by PandaTaru

looks like lot of people are left with the only option to sit at their computer and refresh the page every here and then... like Mrfox0707 said, update time would be nice.

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Yeahhhhhhh, so what part of this system is so superior to option 4 again? I hope people that blasted on me for backing option 4 get stuck somewhere they don't want to be because this current system blows. At least with 4 all servers would have started empty. Sometimes I think its a mistake to listen to the people that post on this site. And yet, its some of those same people that are responsible for getting 2.0 made. Paradox sux. Heres hoping I can get into the server I wanted to at some point later this week. Good call with this option though community, you all sure know how to pick em!

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Yeahhhhhhh, so what part of this system is so superior to option 4 again? I hope people that blasted on me for backing option 4 get stuck somewhere they don't want to be because this current system blows. At least with 4 all servers would have started empty. Sometimes I think its a mistake to listen to the people that post on this site. And yet, its some of those same people that are responsible for getting 2.0 made. Paradox sux. Heres hoping I can get into the server I wanted to at some point later this week. Good call with this option though community, you all sure know how to pick em!

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Not sure what server you are going for a bunch of them have reopened, might wanna go have a look.

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Originally Posted by Wynn

Not sure what server you are going for a bunch of them have reopened, might wanna go have a look.

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Buncha friends of mine are on Masamune, thats the one I am waiting for. My point is though, what could have been something simple, like logging in, picking the world I wanted, and moving on is now replaced with some shitty system where I get to hit refresh every few hours in hopes of going where I want to. And all because the server I want is currently 2 merged servers full of a bunch of assholes that arent even playing the game right now. This is totally top notch stuff here. Just checked the server page and 4 out of the total servers have limited space right now, the rest are closed.

I suppose my other question is, so next month, after everyone has moved and the server transfer is done, what happens to people that make brand new characters? Will they only be able to pick from 3 servers that arent full? Or, and this is what I suspect will be the case, will they be able to get on ANY one of these servers no problem, while those of us that have supported this game since launch get the shaft yet again? I have never seen any company, claim to stick by and support loyal customers while actually doing the complete opposite the entire time. Well done here SE. Kudos again!

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Buncha friends of mine are on Masamune, thats the one I am waiting for. My point is though, what could have been something simple, like logging in, picking the world I wanted, and moving on is now replaced with some shitty system where I get to hit refresh every few hours in hopes of going where I want to. And all because the server I want is currently 2 merged servers full of a bunch of assholes that arent even playing the game right now. This is totally top notch stuff here. Just checked the server page and 4 out of the total servers have limited space right now, the rest are closed.

I suppose my other question is, so next month, after everyone has moved and the server transfer is done, what happens to people that make brand new characters? Will they only be able to pick from 3 servers that arent full? Or, and this is what I suspect will be the case, will they be able to get on ANY one of these servers no problem, while those of us that have supported this game since launch get the shaft yet again? I have never seen any company, except maybe the US government, claim to stick by and support loyal customers while actually doing the complete opposite the entire time. Well done here SE. Kudos again!

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Masamune is fluctuating between open and closed frequently right now. You could probably get in tonight if you're quick about it.

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Originally Posted by SirOleas

Masamune is fluctuating between open and closed frequently right now. You could probably get in tonight if you're quick about it.

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Which I am down with Sir, but sadly I am trying to make the trip with 3 Rl friends that aren't up right now. I get that thats an issue on my end, but still. I was all pumped after a shitty night at work to come home and knock this out easily, and like everything else to do with this game over the past year, its a cluster#%^$. I am sure we will work something out in the coming 3 weeks, its just one more hassle though I could have done without today. Heres to a good nights sleep and a better tomorrow. Cheers man.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Which I am down with Sir, but sadly I am trying to make the trip with 3 Rl friends that aren't up right now. I get that thats an issue on my end, but still. I was all pumped after a shitty night at work to come home and knock this out easily, and like everything else to do with this game over the past year, its a cluster#%^$. I am sure we will work something out in the coming 3 weeks, its just one more hassle though I could have done without today. Heres to a good nights sleep and a better tomorrow. Cheers man.

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Ah, I just thought you all were chilling together and pressing F5. xD
Sleep well.

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Which I am down with Sir, but sadly I am trying to make the trip with 3 Rl friends that aren't up right now. I get that thats an issue on my end, but still. I was all pumped after a shitty night at work to come home and knock this out easily, and like everything else to do with this game over the past year, its a cluster#%^$. I am sure we will work something out in the coming 3 weeks, its just one more hassle though I could have done without today. Heres to a good nights sleep and a better tomorrow. Cheers man.

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um, you do realize you could apply for transfer now, and take it back ANY TIME YOU WANT before the 12th(i think it was the 12th) in case your friends dont make it in time right? no reason for you all to hold off until you can all do it at the exact same time

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Dude! You've been there like twelve hours today.

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Maybe Bayohne's breaking the EULA and sharing logins. ;)

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

um, you do realize you could apply for transfer now, and take it back ANY TIME YOU WANT before the 12th(i think it was the 12th) in case your friends dont make it in time right? no reason for you all to hold off until you can all do it at the exact same time

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No, but thats handy to know. I just checked and it told me only 2 worlds have limited space now, and all but Ragnarok was closed lol. What a complete mess. It wouldnt Irk me as much if it wasnt for the fact that we know perfectly well there is way more space on these servers than what they have it capped at now.

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Originally Posted by Fiosha_Maureiba

Wait... are these Playstation buttons?
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Not really. It's the Japanese marking system, "O" for correct, "X" for false, "△" for partially correct. Sony just applied it for their console, that's why in Japanese games you confirm with "O" and cancel with "X" /uselesstrivia

this is several pages old, but my idea was if each server has a cap with room to move then it is impossible to reach the cap on all 10 worlds at once. The counter argument was then said if the cap on the new world is say 3k and world A=1.6k and B = 1.6k and A + B => new world then its possible to cap out the new world, I agree this is possible but I must ask:

WHY THE FU-- WOULD SE CAP A WORLD AT LESS THEN WHAT IS ASSUMED TO HAPPEN IF NO MERGERS WERE TO TAKE PLACE?

You are guaranteed the merge through "default world merge" option so why would u cap it at less then the default? that is ass-backwords to me.

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Originally Posted by tachi

this is several pages old, but my idea was if each server has a cap with room to move then it is impossible to reach the cap on all 10 worlds at once. The counter argument was then said if the cap on the new world is say 3k and world A=1.6k and B = 1.6k and A + B => new world then its possible to cap out the new world, I agree this is possible but I must ask:

WHY THE FU-- WOULD SE CAP A WORLD AT LESS THEN WHAT IS ASSUMED TO HAPPEN IF NO MERGERS WERE TO TAKE PLACE?

You are guaranteed the merge through "default world merge" option so why would u cap it at less then the default? that is ass-backwords to me.

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Tachi stop leaving your baby at the keyboard she's cute I know but sometimes she rages on the forums.

I could care less about the system they use, I'm happy that my friends who stopped playing for 2.0 are going to be able to join me on the new default server when they return. I wanted to stay on the default "Durandal". I just dont' understand the math of the situation it just seems so illogical to cap like:
A+B= C - (200) rather then
A+B= C + (200)

Edit: hey fatcat! you should stop by this weekend to do a SB with me =)

double edit: I'm just bored at work and there is no new stat threads to ponder over so i'm stuck in the hole that is general discussion.

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Originally Posted by tachi

hey fatcat! you should stop by this weekend to do a SB with me =)

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K! Let me know when to log on, goodness knows I need PIE materia anyways

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Originally Posted by Ookami

I think that one of the problem was that a large part of players assumed that ragnarok will become an EU server although EU players are not enough to fill it by half and a part of them will not move on ragnarok...

Too bad, maybe only half of EU players will move...it won't free a lot of slots...

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I'm sure the total EU population could fill Ragnarok, it's just many probably most of them don't want to go there.

SE should have waited til 2.0 to make an EU server for new players and then opened it up for transfers later down the road.

Not knowing that SE would have the transfer cap that I believe option 4 would have had its own concerns such as a current server populations looking for a way to stay together, then reach an unexpected transfer cap, get split up, and scrambling to find a way to stay together.

I think that would have upset more people, even the active, who couldn't get into their server of choice (i.e. Server 1 and 2 capping as fast as the Supply and Provisioning missions cap, forcing those who did not get in to come up with backup plans that affect the remaining 8 realms).

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Originally Posted by Kraggy

Maybe Bayohne's breaking the EULA and sharing logins. ;)

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What fluffy beast would dare?! Speaking of fluffy beasts, will Camate change his avatar to something more intimidating and feral?

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Originally Posted by Soukyuu

Not really. It's the Japanese marking system, "O" for correct, "X" for false, "△" for partially correct. Sony just applied it for their console, that's why in Japanese games you confirm with "O" and cancel with "X" /uselesstrivia

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I've never thought about it like that. It's neat! I kinda got used to it for some of the games (FFT, Tear Ring Saga, Langrisser, etc.), but now that I think about it, haven't touched the layout for years.

updating fairly fast it seems. Faster than I thought at least. within ~10 minutes (before post time) the page went from showing all servers full but Ragnarok to Durandal + Ridill with △ (again) to only Ridill with △ and now all servers are full again but Ragnarok.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

um, you do realize you could apply for transfer now, and take it back ANY TIME YOU WANT before the 12th(i think it was the 12th) in case your friends dont make it in time right? no reason for you all to hold off until you can all do it at the exact same time

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Not if someone else takes your spot from where you left.

love how final fantasy xiv is so chaotic. does this mean that i pretty much have no choice but to stay on the default merged server or move to ragnarok?

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Originally Posted by Durian

love how final fantasy xiv is so chaotic. does this mean that i pretty much have no choice but to stay on the default merged server or move to ragnarok?

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Its looking that way to me too. I just checked today and it now says that every single server is full except Ragnarok. This has seriously been made complicated for no reason at all. Leave it to SE to finally give us something we have needed in a way that helps only about 10% of the people playing, and 90% of the people NOT playing.

I am trying to coordinate a LS move of only 8 players and this is freaking madness.

Because SE has only added enough slots ONE TIME in 24 hours to AGAIN have it fill up in minutes my LS is being torn apart due to the amount of ridiculous time and effort it takes to camp this stupid transfer system. What is happening is LS members are doubting SE will make it possible for them to move at all so some have switched back to the original server, causing everyone no matter which server they are on to question where they are moving. We all just want to play together and you are *#^%ing it all up.

TELL US when you are adding slots.
TELL US how many.
ADD MORE FREAKING SLOTS AND FASTER.

All this BS stress you are causing because you want the server populations to be equal plus or minus 10 players is freaking uncalled for. I am so close to quitting after playing since release because of stupid solutions like this by the dev team. The option from the very beginning would have been better than this.

Just ADD MORE FREAKING SLOTS AND DO IT NOW.

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Originally Posted by Deusbag

I am trying to coordinate a LS move of only 8 players and this is freaking madness.

Because SE has only added enough slots ONE TIME in 24 hours to AGAIN have it fill up in minutes my LS is being torn apart due to the amount of ridiculous time and effort it takes to camp this stupid transfer system. What is happening is LS members are doubting SE will make it possible for them to move at all so some have switched back to the original server, causing everyone no matter which server they are on to question where they are moving. We all just want to play together and you are *#^%ing it all up.

TELL US when you are adding slots.
TELL US how many.
ADD MORE FREAKING SLOTS AND FASTER.

All this BS stress you are causing because you want the server populations to be equal plus or minus 10 players is freaking uncalled for. I am so close to quitting after playing since release because of stupid solutions like this by the dev team. The option from the very beginning would have been better than this.

Just ADD MORE FREAKING SLOTS AND DO IT NOW.

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omg we are only 2 days of the 19 we have to do this into it and we arent all there yet

RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE


no seriously, you have 17 days to deal with this still, you dont all have to get in NOW NOW NOW. give it some damn time

also they arent updating once a day, its updated 3 times this morning already(ive been watching it, seen new servers open 3 times) and once last night(at the least i wasnt on most of last night) so your numbers on scewed

Thevedis remember that even tho there is another 17 days or w/e left, people cannot just sit camping all day long to try get everything perfect.

Also hes moving 8, its hard because you ALL have to be there, what if only a few move then no one else can because the server they went to never opens again? And now their previous server is deemed full so they are split, forever, until SE introduce proper transfers in .. 2013.

Its a ball ache, my friend wants to move server with 2 of her best friends, she wont leave them behind so all 3 of them have to sit there day after day just hitting refresh and hoping.

SE have done this in the most bullshit retarded way ever, its kind of dumb. I was lucky as soon as i got into work they opened and I was able to move, I am also lucky I dont have to wait for anyone, for those trying to move with friends its a nightmare.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

omg we are only 2 days of the 19 we have to do this into it and we arent all there yet

RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE RAGE


no seriously, you have 17 days to deal with this still, you dont all have to get in NOW NOW NOW. give it some damn time

also they arent updating once a day, its updated 3 times this morning already(ive been watching it, seen new servers open 3 times) and once last night(at the least i wasnt on most of last night) so your numbers on scewed

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Ved, explain why you think its acceptable to make, what should be a 5 min process for everyone in a game that is seriosly underpopulated, a 14 day process of baby sitting a website in hopes of going where we want to go? Please, enlighten the rest of us as to why we shouldn't be the least bit upset by all of this. I mean, just because your happy with your situation doesnt mean the rest of us are. Some of us havent been on super nifty servers that have stayed fairly full the entire time this game has been in the toilet, and would like the option to move where we would like to during a "world tranfer period". I could understand if this had gotten this way after 2 weeks of it being up, but its day 2 and I just checked the site, and every single server but Ragnarok is full. So now, if i want to move with my friends to another server, we have to check a website three times a day? Explain to me what about that is convienant please, otherwise shut the hell up. We get that your happy with the way things are.

STOP COMPLAINING EVERYONE! ALL IS WELL! THE VEDIS IS HAPPY, SO WE SHOULD ALL BE TOO! THERE IS NOTHING TO SEE HERE, MOVE ALONG!

Also, please let us know how long it took you to get into the world you wanted. Oh, whats that? Your just staying with where they put you? Then you have no idea what we are complaining about. Feel free to chime in somewhere else in a topic that pertains to what your doing, not what others are doing.

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Originally Posted by viion

Thevedis remember that even tho there is another 17 days or w/e left, people cannot just sit camping all day long to try get everything perfect.

Also hes moving 8, its hard because you ALL have to be there, what if only a few move then no one else can because the server they went to never opens again? And now their previous server is deemed full so they are split, forever, until SE introduce proper transfers in .. 2013.

Its a ball ache, my friend wants to move server with 2 of her best friends, she wont leave them behind so all 3 of them have to sit there day after day just hitting refresh and hoping.

SE have done this in the most bullshit retarded way ever, its kind of dumb. I was lucky as soon as i got into work they opened and I was able to move, I am also lucky I dont have to wait for anyone, for those trying to move with friends its a nightmare.

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yet somehow i dont think its gonna be as big a problem as some thing

the main reason everythings full 99% of the time right now is because of the people camping it, the fact that everyone is still trying to get to where they want to go

as it tapers off over the next few weeks, youll see the servers even out, and some will constantly be at some form of open status


its like thinking like this, every hour, 100 tickets go on sale, 10,000 people want them
so at the end of the first day, 2400 people got them, and 7600 people are throwing a fit

every day less people need them, and less, and less, you may not get in day 1, but you will get in eventualy(unless of course the server was so popular not enough people ever truely transfered off it to begin with)


we are now in day 2, 17 days left, i can understand people panicking...but this early in the merge process its a bunch of overreacting, when we get to day 10...day 12...hell day 17 id say itl start to become a much more reasonable response


and if you really want to be with friends, nothing says you cant all just go to Ragnorok which seems to always be open....

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Originally Posted by Biggs

Ved, explain why you think its acceptable to make, what should be a 5 min process for everyone in a game that is seriosly underpopulated, a 14 day process of baby sitting a website in hopes of going where we want to go? Please, enlighten the rest of us as to why we shouldn't be the least bit upset by all of this. I mean, just because your happy with your situation doesnt mean the rest of us are. Some of us havent been on super nifty servers that have stayed fairly full the entire time this game has been in the toilet, and would like the option to move where we would like to during a "world tranfer period". I could understand if this had gotten this way after 2 weeks of it being up, but its day 2 and I just checked the site, and every single server but Ragnarok is full. So now, if i want to move with my friends to another server, we have to check a website three times a day? Explain to me what about that is convienant please, otherwise shut the hell up. We get your, your happy with the way things are. STOP COMPLAINING EVERYONE! ALL IS WELL! THE VEDIS IS HAPPY, SO WE SHOULD ALL BE TOO!

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because if they made it an unlimited transfer, the sevrers would remain lobsided as hell, thats why

youd still have the same issue in half the servers as you do now, is it really that hard to understand that?

youd end up with 3-4 overpopulated sevrers(like selbina was before compared to others) and then youd have the comparitive dead servers(dont know which ones these were, but i bet theyd still exist)

are you saying you approve of dead severs as long as you get to go where you personaly want to right now now now?



again, early in process, give it a week or 2, if you still cant go where you are going by then, yeah, you have more then enough reason to be whining the way you are now, but at this point, as i said, people are overreacting

anyone here can tell you i'm as far as you can get from being a yoshi apologist. i voice my displeasure anytime i do not like something, but i am also not a yoshi hater. to me, this was the best way to handle the merge. i think he is doing this the best way he could. the original way would have had the same issues as the one we are using now has.

this way at least only a small percentage of people are getting stuck trying to transfer and get stuck. the other method would have had most of the servers split. is this ideal? no, but when a game is in bad shape and server populations are dying then nothing is ideal. i wish the people trying to transfer over to other servers the best of luck getting where they wish to go, but this is one time i will give yoshi my full support because i think he did the right thing.

We are also trying to move just 9 but so far, only 5 have been able to make it. 3 (including myself) when the application opened up. Two today, so far. 4 are left and I think either a) it will work out fine or b) SE will alter the process a bit (which also fulfills scenario a.)

Regardless, no need to panic, folks. Give it time. SE hasn't let us down since Yoshi took over and I don't see that happening now.

Edit: I will admit some irritation at the process. Had people not cried foul to begin with things would have been fine (most likely.) Still, this particular process could have been a lot easier but this is what people who QQ'd wanted. It just sucks that everyone else has reap what they sowed.

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

yet somehow i dont think its gonna be as big a problem as some thing

the main reason everythings full 99% of the time right now is because of the people camping it, the fact that everyone is still trying to get to where they want to go

as it tapers off over the next few weeks, youll see the servers even out, and some will constantly be at some form of open status


its like thinking like this, every hour, 100 tickets go on sale, 10,000 people want them
so at the end of the first day, 2400 people got them, and 7600 people are throwing a fit

every day less people need them, and less, and less, you may not get in day 1, but you will get in eventualy(unless of course the server was so popular not enough people ever truely transfered off it to begin with)


we are now in day 2, 17 days left, i can understand people panicking...but this early in the merge process its a bunch of overreacting, when we get to day 10...day 12...hell day 17 id say itl start to become a much more reasonable response


and if you really want to be with friends, nothing says you cant all just go to Ragnorok which seems to always be open....

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I like that when other people complained about option 4 five minutes after it was announced, it was ok to do right off the bat because thats how changes get made. But here I am essentially doing the same thing, and your solution to it is to wait until just a few days before they shut it down to start voicing my concerns? Your totally right, maybe then they will do a last minute ninja edit right? No thanks. I am sorry, and I totally understand what your saying, but my problem with this isnt that I am being made to wait to see what happens, its that priority is being given to a bunch of accounts that arent even active. Why should I bother paying a sub fee until 2.0 and getting screwed in the process, when I could be paying nothing at all to get exactly the same treatment I am now?

The transfer was open for several hours from like 9pm CST to early this morning if you didn't get in to bad. All i can say is try again tomorrow.

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We are also trying to move just 9 but so far, only 5 have been able to make it. 3 (including myself) when the application opened up. Two today, so far. 4 are left and I think either a) it will work out fine or b) SE will alter the process a bit (which also fulfills scenario a.)

Regardless, no need to panic, folks. Give it time. SE hasn't let us down since Yoshi took over and I don't see that happening now.

Edit: I will admit some irritation at the process. Had people not cried foul to begin with things would have been fine (most likely.) Still, this particular process could have been a lot easier but this is what people who QQ'd wanted. It just sucks that everyone else has reap what they sowed.

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i have a question for you. please think and answer this honestly. how would the other method have stopped the same issues we have?

now server a + server b are merged together and a few people want to leave that server. those few people cannot get to the other server they want to go to because they want to go to is full.

the original server a and server b want to go to the same server, but the server cannot hold both servers going there. it can hold all of a and half of b. you wind up with 75% of each server getting in and the other 25% is stuck trying to find somewhere else to go.

one method only has the people trying to leave their server having issues going somewhere else and the other method has large portions of the server that cannot even continue to play with the people they have been playing with.

i'll take the issues with the smaller amount of people so i still say the method we have now is better.

Unlikely that will happen Vedis but we will see. People have a right to be angry atm, time is ticking and nothings is opening up, you cannot argue with your statement being based on what you might think will happen in the future.

A lot of people picked option 2 because they thought they'd still be able to move, and look at it now, no one can move lol.

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Originally Posted by viion

Unlikely that will happen Vedis but we will see. People have a right to be angry atm, time is ticking and nothings is opening up, you cannot argue with your statement being based on what you might think will happen in the future.

A lot of people picked option 2 because they thought they'd still be able to move, and look at it now, no one can move lol.

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but people are also making the same assumption that is they had went with the original option we would not be having the same issues. i contend these same issues would have happened no matter which method they went with.

Idk what everyone is freaked out about. Its only the first day, they'll likely keep opening the servers up every day to let more in.

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Originally Posted by Relic

Idk what everyone is freaked out about. Its only the first day, they'll likely keep opening the servers up every day to let more in.

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me either honestly. outside of the oceanic players, eu players, and role players that are trying to get a server together as their unofficial server i can't understand why so many people hate their server so much to want to leave it when a bunch of new players will be joining them.

I'm wondering if people from a default merger server for example, wanting tO remain there , are applying again. Lol

For example, people from besaid and fabul applying to go tO Balmung. Lol. Wouldn't that count as an application?

I wonder... That's dumb

Made me remember a song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMtZf...e_gdata_player

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A good point you bring up. I know a few people last night who do indeed want to stay on Selbina/Ridill, but decided to put in applications for Ridill anyways. I was wondering if their applcations counted towards the daily application limit? Not sure how people are misunderstanding these simple instructions >.>