We covered hopes for 5.0, but what are your fears?

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Originally Posted by Dzian

It may have been a slight exageration. But it was aimed at most content in general. Where it can cleared with ease playing your job at like 1/4 of it's potential.

It's not just dungeons. It's raids trials. Msq instances. All dumbed down so much you would actually have to try harder to fail than succeed.

It's not a huge exaggeration to say even a low end raid party of 8 can do more combined dps. Than 24 people tend to do in an average alliance raid boss fight.
When 24 people can't beat 8. It kinda highlights how badly people can play there jobs and still clear content.

If they want to close the skill gap. That's what they need to change.

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Most content is tuned to be easy to moderately difficult as a design choice. If really difficult content was what the majority of people wanted, ultimate or savage would be the most populated content. They don't want to close the skill gap making everyone perform at super challenging content or the population would shrink even more.

Jobs are like real life professions in a sense. Take basketball for example. You got ten thousands of casual or serious playground/park players, thousands of college players, hundreds of g league players, and hundreds of NBA players. If every bball player in the world had the skill, physical gifts, and way to play in the nba and get paid good they would.

The skill gap that about everyone can do and agree with is there should be no content so easy that you don't have to pay attention at all or watch netflix or play another game at the same time.

Not everyone has the skill to be elite or the best at something, and that's before you even take into account if they care about that or not in a game.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

Not everyone has the skill to be elite or the best at something, and that's before you even take into account if they care about that or not in a game.

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And before even that, not everyone has the potential to do so.

Still, very wise word. I applaud you.

My fear for 5.0 is that despite BLM, RDM, and now BLU all dressing extra smart in more of their designs, we'll still be getting nothing but robes for casters that don't work for any of them OR SMN

My biggest worry atm is the world visit feature is going to destroy the MB and hunts.

I'm absolutely terrified of the DC restructuring.
I don't want to be separate from my friends in the world transfer.
And I don't want my friends to be separated from their friends by having to move servers to avoid being separated from their off-server friends.

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Originally Posted by ElazulHP

My biggest worry atm is the world visit feature is going to destroy the MB and hunts.

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i belive the marquet and the housing will be excluded actions of the world visit to prevent the economy problems.

While I'm glad to hear of the addition of a new data center, I'm a little worried that the redistribution of the currently existing servers will separate the community even more. Now, this wouldn't be so bad if they were to introduce cross-data center features (akin to the cross-server feature we have right now, to start), but if not...

Well, that's my only concern... Well, that and I'm hoping that we don't get another Raubahn/ Pipin Extreme.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

Most content is tuned to be easy to moderately difficult as a design choice. If really difficult content was what the majority of people wanted, ultimate or savage would be the most populated content. They don't want to close the skill gap making everyone perform at super challenging content or the population would shrink even more.

Jobs are like real life professions in a sense. Take basketball for example. You got ten thousands of casual or serious playground/park players, thousands of college players, hundreds of g league players, and hundreds of NBA players. If every bball player in the world had the skill, physical gifts, and way to play in the nba and get paid good they would.

The skill gap that about everyone can do and agree with is there should be no content so easy that you don't have to pay attention at all or watch netflix or play another game at the same time.

Not everyone has the skill to be elite or the best at something, and that's before you even take into account if they care about that or not in a game.

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Why is it every time people say dungeons, trails and etc are incredibly easy, the immediate response is to compare them with Savage and Ultimate? Asking for dungeons to require more than a pulse doesn't mean they abruptly go up to Savage levels. I'll reiterate once again, I am doing mass pulls without tank stance because the damage is completely negligible. Ten mobs all trying to eat my face do so little damage I just need CDs to live comfortably. I think we can go for a few steps above that and still be a ways off from Savage.

You are correct to assume neither everyone has the skill nor desire, but if asking people to turn their brains is too much. Let them loiter in leveling dungeons while everything else moves up for the people who want content outside Savage and EX Primals that isn't brain dead simple.

That world visit feature sounds like something that can turn bad quite fast..not only would it allow bots on servers which are normally not visited by them but also if they have no restrictions people can just jump through worlds to get to hunts and more..also if they dont fix problems at launch (and I am not sure a new DC can change that) then I have no idea how bad this will be with that feature...

Also seemingly no new race anymore after this one and 5.0 race seems to be Viera...thus if they dont just fooled us that means no beast like race anytime..

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Originally Posted by Bourne_Endeavor

Why is it every time people say dungeons, trails and etc are incredibly easy, the immediate response is to compare them with Savage and Ultimate? Asking for dungeons to require more than a pulse doesn't mean they abruptly go up to Savage levels. I'll reiterate once again, I am doing mass pulls without tank stance because the damage is completely negligible. Ten mobs all trying to eat my face do so little damage I just need CDs to live comfortably. I think we can go for a few steps above that and still be a ways off from Savage.

You are correct to assume neither everyone has the skill nor desire, but if asking people to turn their brains is too much. Let them loiter in leveling dungeons while everything else moves up for the people who want content outside Savage and EX Primals that isn't brain dead simple.

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There is something outside savage and ex primals and most people don't do them, we call them normal raids. You are mass pulling the entire zone because soft hitting monsters is the design intention. If they made them hit way harder, you would not be mass pulling anything.

I agree that combat should take thought and a degree of execution. If you can stand there and only have to dodge one move, that combat is poor. If you can defeat any enemy with the same rotation, that combat is poor. If you can dodge every single mechanic and not have to rely on resources or cooldowns, that combat is poor.

Hard or extreme is hard enough for the mass majority, there is thought, there is execution, there is required processing of resources and cooldowns. Anything beyond that is teetering on catering to the elite niche.

The biggest issue is finding content to do with other groups easily, scheduling runs, and practicing execution. So now they are adding World visit, trust, and new game plus. So I guess they think that the hardest part about developing battle content is not designing hard fights. The hardest part is getting players eager to group up and form easily.

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Originally Posted by PondHollow

Dancer as a healer.

Most of the healer gear is already biased in favor of very feminine designs. Dancer as a healer, with its expected pandering to certain varieties of pervert, will make it worse.

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Me too.

Alas, I'm against even to have the Dancer job. It would be better if we get Chemist as a new healer. Or the brand new, FFXIV-exclusive, job as the new healer.

So far, most of the fears that I had with 5.0 are showing up after watching the keynote; mainly the same formula of beast tribes, new raid tier, new 24 man. We still have 2 more, but so far it just seems SE are trippling down on the same treadmill.

Some of the new stuff they introduced was cool, like NG+, but I feel like that's something only a minority wanted, and it doesn't really fix the issue that the end game is lacking either if a new feature is just replaying the game again but at max level.

I'll just hope that Paris brings more news at how the gameplay loop of Shadowbringers will be structured.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

There is something outside savage and ex primals and most people don't do them, we call them normal raids.

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Normal Raids are definitely not what people that want harder content is looking for. This tier did a good job with increasing the difficulty in Normal mode, but it's still a far cry away from what the more hardcore/midcore crowd actually wants.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

There is something outside savage and ex primals and most people don't do them, we call them normal raids.

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It only took them until Alphascape normal mode to actually give normal mode some teeth. Both Deltascape and Sigmascape normal mode were laughably easy.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

You are mass pulling the entire zone because soft hitting monsters is the design intention. If they made them hit way harder, you would not be mass pulling anything.

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And then, maybe tanks could actually feel like tanks instead of DPS with large HP pools. Maybe healers would actually have to cast GCD heals—as it stands now, I make a game of how little I have to actually heal in dungeons. I doubt that was the intention, but things simply don’t hit enough to warrant any sort of GCD healing: my HoTs, Essential, and Earthly Star take care of 99% of the damage.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

I agree that combat should take thought and a degree of execution. If you can stand there and only have to dodge one move, that combat is poor. If you can defeat any enemy with the same rotation, that combat is poor. If you can dodge every single mechanic and not have to rely on resources or cooldowns, that combat is poor.

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This is basically what dungeons are like, with very, very few exceptions.

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

Hard or extreme is hard enough for the mass majority, there is thought, there is execution, there is required processing of resources and cooldowns. Anything beyond that is teetering on catering to the elite niche.

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Extremes have become decidedly easier than ever before—this was happening last expansion as well. As much as I loved Sophia, look at her compared to those that came before her: Thordan, Sephirot, even Nidhogg. Then we had the mess that was Zurvan, who showed that the majority of this playerbase cannot execute a simple opener for their job.

The only Ex primal this expansion that had actual teeth to it was Shinryu, and only during phase one because the fight kind of fell apart after that in terms of how hard it was. Don’t get me started on the faceroll fest that was Lakshmi or Byakko. Tsukuyomi and Suzaku have a medium sort of difficult to them, but they aren’t anything to Thordan or Sephirot.

1.Instanced, cross-server, too many solo contents, fake MMO experience
2.Same old formula
3.Shallow & boring gameplay
4.Fate trains, brain-dead zergfest
5.Director & developers with no MMORPG design knowledge.

I am not hyped the by new trailer anymore

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Originally Posted by Sandpark

There is something outside savage and ex primals and most people don't do them, we call them normal raids. You are mass pulling the entire zone because soft hitting monsters is the design intention. If they made them hit way harder, you would not be mass pulling anything.

I agree that combat should take thought and a degree of execution. If you can stand there and only have to dodge one move, that combat is poor. If you can defeat any enemy with the same rotation, that combat is poor. If you can dodge every single mechanic and not have to rely on resources or cooldowns, that combat is poor.

Hard or extreme is hard enough for the mass majority, there is thought, there is execution, there is required processing of resources and cooldowns. Anything beyond that is teetering on catering to the elite niche.

The biggest issue is finding content to do with other groups easily, scheduling runs, and practicing execution. So now they are adding World visit, trust, and new game plus. So I guess they think that the hardest part about developing battle content is not designing hard fights. The hardest part is getting players eager to group up and form easily.

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I sincerely doubt the intent was me pulling without tank stance and only turning it only for three GCDs when I open on a boss. I literally do every mass pull in both The Burn and Saint Mocianne Arboretum without every turning on tank stance. That isn't mobs getting soft, that is pathetic levels of easy I could watch Netflix on a second monitor without breaking a sweat. As for normal modes, they suffer from the same issue. I stand in multiple AoEs as a melee because why not? Nothing remotely threatens me. Kefka is about to do an AoE around him? Who cares? The vulnerability stack falls off before he even does a follow up attack. And even if he does spam something afterwards, I can heal myself up with Bloodbath.

What you just described: only having to dodge one move or defeat enemies with the same rotation, is essentially how everything functions. Normal mode raids, and especially dungeons, offer very little variance. Half the reason tanks pull the entire room is so they actually feel like tanks. When I last healed The Burn, I literally did not cast Cure II once until last boss. The damage was so slow, I spent 90% of my time casting Holy. On Scholar, virtually all my MP is saved for Miasma II. Once again, I doubt the developers intended for me to not heal but dungeons are so undertuned, you don't even need a healer to begin with.

Perhaps those players would be more eager to queue for dungeons if they were brain dead simple. I know I would be.

Bar bloat. Seriously no more actions! My UI is so cluttered as it is!

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Originally Posted by SicariusSeven

Bar bloat. Seriously no more actions! My UI is so cluttered as it is!

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I'd be 100% okay with the 'new' actions being add-ons to the old ones, like how Ruin becomes Broil for SCH and so on, and them just simply focusing this expansion on fixing the 1-60 experience. Right now several classes are a chore to play in lower level content.

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Originally Posted by Enla

I'd be 100% okay with the 'new' actions being add-ons to the old ones, like how Ruin becomes Broil for SCH and so on, and them just simply focusing this expansion on fixing the 1-60 experience. Right now several classes are a chore to play in lower level content.

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Well they proved it can work. Like the MCH actions change depending on their heat gauge. So it shouldn't be a stretch for our other actions to change for other jobs. I just don't wanna shuffle things around every expansion.

pretty disappointing so far. One of their highlights was a way for us to play old content. Would be nice if they spent time developing new content instead.

My big fears are an equal coinflip that they bring Eureka back and stick the relic in it again versus listening to the people who want them to ditch the current content paradigm. The current paradigm rules and is a big reason why I play this game. Nearly every time they deviate it is a disappointment. I am not saying don't try new things, but don't do it at the cost of upending the things they consistently get right.