I'd support this over bringing the Need button back, tbh. Token system would mean you could luck out and get the drop you're eyeballing "early", while still guaranteeing that after x amount of arbitrary runs you'd get the piece you were after, no RNG required.Quote:
Originally Posted by CaptainLagbeard
Petition - Bring back the Need button in 24 mans
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05-28-2018, 09:07 AMloreleidiangelo
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05-28-2018, 09:09 AMPentheaIt's only easier if the rolls work in your favour. You could potentially see an item drop several times, be the only person in the group playing a class who can equip it but watch someone else get it instead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
The absence of a need button actually makes it more difficult to get loot because you are relying on rng for it to drop, rng for the hope that you won't be rolling against several people, and more rng to have a roll high enough to win.
It's easier if the class you're playing actually has impact on your priority for loot, given you end up being far more likely to get something you roll need on. -
05-28-2018, 09:44 AMFawkesYou could also gear you NIN without playing it through some combination of tomes, Eureka, Sigmascape normal, and dungeons. You could probably gear it high enough to run the lighthouse within a week without too much effort, so I'm not seeing why we need greed only for 24-man raids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
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05-28-2018, 09:58 AMRockette
Everyone is saying this is squares way of making content last but for me it's going to do the opposite. Now that I know I'm rolling against potentially 8 other people, some of which probably don't even have that class levelled I'm far less likely to try farm for a specific peice / glamour.
I'm just gonna do the weekly, get my coin and be done with it. -
05-28-2018, 10:09 AMPentheaSame. Usually I do SB group content on my lala alt too but the greed only in alliance raids has completely turned me off running them when I don't have to. I'm going to do it once a week for my weekly coin on my main and that's it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rockette
I'm not even abstaining from doing extra runs as a form of protest. I really just don't want to put myself through the grief of watching gear I need go to someone else who may not even play the class at all, or watching drama unfold when it happens to other people. If I don't have to go to an unpleasant environment, I won't. -
05-28-2018, 01:22 PMRockette
Maybe this maint is bringing the need button back? :D ?
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05-28-2018, 07:08 PMAlleoFunny since even the JP players seems to be mostly against this change, and some are even saying that people should go into a content with the job they want to gear otherwise they have not earned it. So Yoshida using that as a reason seems to shot them in their own foot.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lambdafish
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05-28-2018, 08:50 PMAngelyLowell
From my point of view, greed only make me want to run the raid only once in a week.
Why I should bother going back there if the probability to getting the gear I want is so low?
No thanks, going only for the coin and that is it. -
05-28-2018, 10:33 PMAomine1992
My ALT is a main healer and it kind of sucks to loose gear to someone who probably only needs the gear for faster ques but has not intentions only actually healing or tanking :/
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05-28-2018, 10:40 PMMOZZYSTAR
Can I sign a petition that states "don't bring back the need button?" Cuz I'm really okay with this, I've come to terms.
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05-29-2018, 12:59 AMAkamadoshi
It is assumed nobody cares about alliance 24-man raid that is at level 50. It is to my shock people even have complained about that.
Poetics exchange gear in the end is more valuable if not same and to top it off - glamour case it is easier farm (and upon request as well from party)
The implying of "need" removal has everything to do with new 24 man raid as it is also considered many have most classes 50+ or even if not - the glamour are wanted and the loots as we all experience mostly drop when not in our needed classes! I find this to be convenient and lenient and offering better way of chances, much less of 'need' button.
I have gotten priority so far when greed on my class.
Not to mention "need" button never always prioritized the classes. This has definitely avoided unbecoming drama from "greed" when farmed other classes
I find this solution great as honestly the need button has only ever prioritized a percentage, not 100% -
05-29-2018, 01:21 AMBroodingFicusGreed only, to me, in old 24 man content is more than acceptable for glamours and the like for people with off classes they may not want to gear up to that point. Or for people playing catch up for those classes and running on their most geared one. Its only in the new content that I find it to be ridiculous. Why am I fighting a Dragoon with a level 62 Scholar for a pair of healer boots after /I/ was the one healing the whole thing?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akamadoshi
I'm not 100% sure what you mean by 'Need button never always prioritized the classes'...Thats exactly what it did. The only people who could need were the people playing the jobs who could actively use it at that time, leaving everyone else with only the greed option. They'd only really have a shot at it if no one needed it first and then it was a free for all among whoever remained. I suppose for people who are after gear for a job they aren't playing its technically 'better' because now they have a chance even against someone on that actual role but that is precisely why it shouldn't be in current content. Why should I heal or tank for a group multiple times a week just to lose out on what I need to stay geared enough to do my job? The answer for most people is, they won't. They'll run it once to get the coin and leave it as I did this week because it isn't worth the RNG of farming and hoping people don't greed on things for alt classes on top of competing with my cohealer. In the long run that will hurt queue times and then those people who only run a DPS while trying to get tank or healer gear will wait longer and longer because the people willing to do that Job have decided this isn't worth their time. Healers already had the short end of the stick in that they were almost always going to compete against the other healer in their alliance for anything that dropped where as a tank has no competition since they removed the secondary one, and DPS always had the chance (however slim) that they'd be the only one in their alliance of a certain gear group. The layers of RNG involved at this point feel like a push too far and I hope they have learned their lesson seeing as even the region they said this change was for doesn't seem like they're on board. -
05-29-2018, 01:23 AMPentheaHave you even seen 24 man loot? Only certain classes can wear certain pieces. Need rolls could do nothing but prioritise the classes the loot is intended for.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akamadoshi
No you were just fortunate that no one else rolled or won it. No one being interested in the loot or no one rolling above you isn't the same as you actually having priority on the loot. You were lucky. You weren't given priority.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akamadoshi
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05-29-2018, 01:34 AMshibeouya
Yes please bring back Need !
I'm actually ok if they keep it for latest 24 man raid with loot lockout, since said lockout should prevent people for greeding everything - but it makes absolutely zero sense for older 24 man raids, as their stated goal was to help gear alts but old raids are purely for glamour and inferior to what you get with tomestones. -
05-29-2018, 02:28 AMGravagar
+1 voice in favor of bringing "Need" back
It was an interesting experiment but I consider it a failure. Also... If I'm supposed to raise my lower job's item level by playing a higher item level job, then why can't I raise a lower EXP level while playing a higher EXP level job too? -
05-29-2018, 03:00 AMYuki_Lowell
I run Ridorana in the second day of the patch. I run with FC mattes. Most of the drops were nin and drg. No one wanted that. The last boss loot came and dropped a mage leg. There were 2 BLM in the party. The SAM said: "I'll not run this again anyway." And he rolled, and he got the loot. He doens't have ANY mage leveled. That happened in a closed party with fc mates... Don't you dare say to me that won't happen with a bunch of strangers.
Bring back the Need button in 24 mans -
05-29-2018, 03:22 AMRofel
Hey mods, we know it's not cool to post a lot of topics about the same subject.
But fot that, we need to know you are reading this and taking feedback.
SE said previously it would think of removing the ""feature"" if it wasn't well received, and here we are. -
05-29-2018, 03:28 AMAlleoWhat?Quote:
Originally Posted by Akamadoshi
Need always prioritze the jobs when its job restricted gear which is the case in 24 man content. The only thing that can happen is that you have more than one job that can roll on the same gear with need and lose it but you still have much higher chances with need than just greed. And as a tank in 24 man content you can have 100% roll if your tank gear drops.
Greed is 100% luck. Just because you have been lucky and one the loot that you wanted does not mean that your jobs gets higher numbers with greed.
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05-29-2018, 06:41 AMIlanThe "need" button did what? You have obviously no idea what you are writing about. Only classes who can use that gear can roll need, so tell me how it is not prioritizing the classes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Akamadoshi