Petition to ban Moogle exploiters.

What fucking mobs in FFXIV needed to be hate reset?!?!

Are people actually taking this seriously? -.-;

Down with debauchers!

i use my chocobo in between gathering points...feels like an exploit i should get the ban

Is it me or are we wasting SE's time with trivial crap like this. I would much rather SE spend their time making a game worth paying for then worrying over which tactic is legitimate, also for the record deciding which tactic is the right way is also an exploit. I hope they don't fix it and bring us 1.21 faster

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Originally Posted by Agate

OP here. Yeah, the post was 100% sarcasm. I've beaten Moogle myself using that method. Seriously, I wonder about you guys. XD

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The sarcasm was really evident in the first 2 pages of the thread, then it drowned in a sea of internets.

Do any of you read what Yoshi says? He said the designer of the boss fights was disappointed that it got beat so fast (5 days after released) and that he was going to try to make something that was a bit tougher. While the fight is longer and harder to repeat than Ifrit was I highly doubt that he meant this "Tactic" to be used. If he did, do you really think they would have been upset at our Ifrit kill speed?

People beat him without it just as fast.

This is also true. We probably did beat it faster than he expected without using any cheap tricks. I expect him to address that sadness in upcoming letters.

Yes yes, I've already given BG their pat on the back for beating it without cheap tricks. I'm trying to do you guys a favor though and ban the rest of the population for not being as honorable as you. <3

You call that sarcasm?

Where are your italics?
Dang Agate, get it together.

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Originally Posted by Agate

As you may or may not know, players have been utilizing a MALICIOUS exploit during the Good King Moggle Mog fight, that guarantees instantaneous win the moment you apply it. Instead of just accepting their first wipe, parties are RAISING EACH OTHER and resetting the battle, honey badgering the time limit, and proceeding to kill all teh Moogles. This is a horrendous offense against the rest of the players, because the mage weapons in particular are especially useful, and people shouldn't be able to get them so easily. So please like this post if you think SE should ban EVERYONE who has ever, once, lost aggro during the Moogle fight, because it will be easy to figure out which people did it and their LS, friends, and family should no longer have any credibility on this game. For real.

Edit: It's depressing, but not surprising, that some of you could not glean the sarcasm from this post, but instead read it and excitedly agree 100%. Well, good luck trying to ban me. By the way, can I get a rep response in here, some of us just want to hear an official word on the matter and be done with it.

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If it wasn't fixed immediately, then it's not their fault. I haven't even done the fight yet, just so you know.

If it was so serious the error should have been corrected immediately.

Asking for the people to be banned because of someone else mistake into not seeing that before the patch release, is just stupid.

edit: If this was a joke :P You got me.

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Originally Posted by Agate

Yes yes, I've already given BG their pat on the back for beating it without cheap tricks. I'm trying to do you guys a favor though and ban the rest of the population for not being as honorable as you. <3

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While I appreciate the sentiment. I wasn't trying to gloat about beating it "honorably". I just want another voice out there expressing dissapointment in the people who are choosing to cheapen the experience.

Give it a year, then the bans will start comin.

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Originally Posted by Madruk

Give it a year, then the bans will start comin.

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STARTING WITH THE FILTHY, ROTTEN, NO GOOD CHEATERS!!!! SANTAS PUTTIN COAL IN ALL UR EXPLOITIN' STOCKINS KIDDIES!!!! BYAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...seragreement_e

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement

2.1 Cheating. You may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...seragreement_e

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement

2.1 Cheating. You may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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QFT

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Originally Posted by Coglin

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...seragreement_e

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement

2.1 Cheating. You may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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According to what SE defines as bugs and exploits. Which they haven't said anything about this yet.

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Originally Posted by Agate

As you may or may not know, players have been utilizing a MALICIOUS exploit during the Good King Moggle Mog fight, that guarantees instantaneous win the moment you apply it. Instead of just accepting their first wipe, parties are RAISING EACH OTHER and resetting the battle, honey badgering the time limit, and proceeding to kill all teh Moogles. This is a horrendous offense against the rest of the players, because the mage weapons in particular are especially useful, and people shouldn't be able to get them so easily. So please like this post if you think SE should ban EVERYONE who has ever, once, lost aggro during the Moogle fight, because it will be easy to figure out which people did it and their LS, friends, and family should no longer have any credibility on this game. For real.

Edit: It's depressing, but not surprising, that some of you could not glean the sarcasm from this post, but instead read it and excitedly agree 100%. Well, good luck trying to ban me. By the way, can I get a rep response in here, some of us just want to hear an official word on the matter and be done with it.

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So me raising my friends instead of leaving them dead is an exploit D: I SIR AM OFFENDED! I like to see my friends alive kthx <3.

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Originally Posted by Coglin

http://support.na.square-enix.com/ru...seragreement_e

FINAL FANTASY® XIV User Agreement

2.1 Cheating. You may not take advantage of game system bugs and exploits during gameplay.

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Yes, they should ban everyone that attempts to raise someone in an instance!

Anyone who goes in to the bcnm for feast of fools planning to wipe themselves at whatever point in the fight are doing just that, planning to wipe. Whether or not it is against ToS is for the people interpreting them to decide. Not us.

I would not worry too much about this to be honest. When it comes down to it and there is real endgame content, not this filler that they are implementing to keep people interested. When there are open world HNMs, these groups that are "planning to wipe" are just going to be helping you out. They will "plan to wipe" and then hand you a half dead hnm.

Just let them be and say "Thanks" later

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Originally Posted by Jinrya-Geki

edit: If this was a joke :P You got me.

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OH HO! A (tiny) TORCH FOR THIS ONE

Yeah it's pretty bad. DoW on our server exploited the absolute hell out of it and I think its hilarious to see the leader claiming they should stop it now. If you watched his live feed thats how they won it the first time.

What they need to do is, if the mobs de-agro 100%, reset the fight 100%. Despawn all the others and put it back to the gladiator and problem solved. That's what happens in most boss fights in most games.

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Originally Posted by Agate

As you may or may not know, players have been utilizing a MALICIOUS exploit during the Good King Moggle Mog fight, that guarantees instantaneous win the moment you apply it. Instead of just accepting their first wipe, parties are RAISING EACH OTHER and resetting the battle, honey badgering the time limit, and proceeding to kill all teh Moogles. This is a horrendous offense against the rest of the players, because the mage weapons in particular are especially useful, and people shouldn't be able to get them so easily. So please like this post if you think SE should ban EVERYONE who has ever, once, lost aggro during the Moogle fight, because it will be easy to figure out which people did it and their LS, friends, and family should no longer have any credibility on this game. For real.

Edit: It's depressing, but not surprising, that some of you could not glean the sarcasm from this post, but instead read it and excitedly agree 100%. Well, good luck trying to ban me. By the way, can I get a rep response in here, some of us just want to hear an official word on the matter and be done with it.

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They should ban anyone that's ever been raised during the fight as well.

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Originally Posted by TehDon

Clam Down

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Okay......

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Originally Posted by Defmetal

Yeah it's pretty bad. DoW on our server exploited the absolute hell out of it and I think its hilarious to see the leader claiming they should stop it now. If you watched his live feed thats how they won it the first time.

What they need to do is, if the mobs de-agro 100%, reset the fight 100%. Despawn all the others and put it back to the gladiator and problem solved. That's what happens in most boss fights in most games.

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For the record and let it be clear. Myself, Arania Kincross, Vasage Astrial, Sanctus Thefarter (Yes thats his name we dont judge), Cujis Blacksmith, Cookie Bandit, Buju Fya, and Kirana Fiore. Have deafeated good king moogle without using a exploit on sevral occasions. I smell someone who is upset that they cant beat him so they put the blame on others. Work on your own linkshell before you judge us. Thank you.

The one and only Camisumy Sinclaire

Ban everyone except OP!
I'm sure he can fight moogle alone :D

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

You could fix it by having all the dead mobs reraise if they all lose claim. You could just end the instance if they reset back into place.. There's a lot of things that can be done. Anyways I agree. Ban the exploiters or at the very least strip them of their drops and achievements for the fight. We beat it legit and they should have to as well. Even if they don't fix this problem then when the next content comes out and doesn't have such an easy exploit their badness will shine bright when they can't beat the content and we stroll right on by them singing songs of how bad they truly are.

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People need to get over saying "we beat it legit" and thinking it makes them high and mighty. Seen as the the current game's hate/aggro/battle system is all working as intended, it is not an exploit. There are many other battles in plenty of MMO's were wiping and raising is a viable and helpful STRATEGY, not EXPLOIT. All the people complaining about it being "not legit" are just jealous they were beat to the win by a group that used this strategy first. If that first group didn't win, and instead it was Order of the Blue Gartr who ended up winning by discovering this method, their egos would never, ever allow them to go "oh we won, yeah, but we cheated." Nope, instead, this would become the de facto strategy. End of the day, a win is a win.

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Originally Posted by Tadacho

People need to get over saying "we beat it legit" and thinking it makes them high and mighty. Seen as the the current game's hate/aggro/battle system is all working as intended, it is not an exploit. There are many other battles in plenty of MMO's were wiping and raising is a viable and helpful STRATEGY, not EXPLOIT. All the people complaining about it being "not legit" are just jealous they were beat to the win by a group that used this strategy first. If that first group didn't win, and instead it was Order of the Blue Garter who ended up winning by discovering this method, their egos would never, ever allow them to go "oh we won, yeah, but we cheated." Nope, instead, this would become the de facto strategy. End of the day, a win is a win.

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Actually, hours before the world first kill happened, people posted on our thread instructing us on the exploit strat, and we immediately rejected it. If you go back to the thread, it's on like, page 3 or something.

As has been said so many many times before, I could care less that we weren't world first, grats to those guys. What I do care about is the wipe/raise exploit, and the blatant disregard for basic game mechanics/rules that the people using it exhibit :/

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Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat

Actually, hours before the world first kill happened, people posted on our thread instructing us on the exploit strat, and we immediately rejected it. If you go back to the thread, it's on like, page 3 or something.

As has been said so many many times before, I could care less that we weren't world first, grats to those guys. What I do care about is the wipe/raise exploit, and the blatant disregard for basic game mechanics/rules that the people using it exhibit :/

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What she said ^

We rejected that "strat" from the second we read it. As far as egos go I have yet to toot my own horn about this other than to label it as a "Legit kill". If you want me to come right out and say this then I will also add that I DO in fact think we are better than those people who have to use the death and re-raise trick. I think everyone who can beat it without doing that is in fact better than those who can't. If that makes me sound egotistical then so what? It's true fact. If it were an open world NM we'd claim it from you when you let it de-agro and murder it in front of your faces to show you don't need to pull shit like that to win a fight. Now man up and get better so you can do it the proper way. Case closed.

Well if that's the case, I take it back, but even so, why would you immediately reject it. I can think of dozens of fights across several MMOs in which a viable strategy was...

- Boss with adds: pull off adds one by one. Pull adds far enough away from original spawn point so that, once adds are killed you can die, reraise, refuel and just go after the boss. Recent example I can think of was a low-man Dodore fight!

- FFXI had several boss fights were a strategy often used was to wipe at a certain point and then have everyone reraise and recover! I've never fought, but I'm pretty sure this is even a strategy used against Pandemonium Warden in FFXI. I used to do this myself when I would solo Brothers ENM - kill first minotaur, allow second to kill me so I can reraise and recover MP to then kill it. There are other examples that spring to mind from FFXI - Ark Angels, Alexander fight, and a fight on an airhsip (I don't remember details of boss).

- Common strategy even used on regular open-world mobs, particularly when soloing something that's proving difficult. Wittling it down as much as you can before running away until the mob loses aggro (or in this game "returns to territory"), quickly curing yourself up, and then going back after said mob whilst it's HP is still low and finishing it off. Whilst it's not exactly dying/raising, it is essentially the same thing (losing hate).

- What about a party that wipes in a dungeon? Should they consider it a loss, or should they raise up and recover and continue, making sure not to get any aggro from nearby mobs during the raising phase? This is a common strategy in dungeons in WoW.

You say it's a disregard for game mechanics, but I disgaree. People have recognised, "hey, moogles aggro to movement, so we can probably recover if we don't move."

Sure, maybe it was discovered as a fluke at first, but who cares? This is a strategy that has been used in MMOs for years and years in several different types of scenario, although the concept is the same - "we can recover, so long as we don't aggro."

Anyway, the whole debate is pretty moot... Regardless of this strategy, most people who want will have moogle weapons in a couple of months anyway. At least in this scenario people would have obtained those weapons by using two different strategies, rather than everyone just copying each other with Ifrit.

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

Now man up and get better so you can do it the proper way. Case closed.

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Doesn't really bother me, I've attempted moogle for first time last night and my parties used both methods and we lost all fights haha, but I know we'll beat in time, and I'll probably end up beating it using both methods at some point ^^ I'm just really against the idea of people suddenly turning around calling this an exploit when wiping is a method that has been used as a strategy for a long time in a lot of different ways.

I never played WoW. I only played FFXI and I for the life of me can't think of a fight where I had to die and reraise to win. We never did that in any of the fights you listed. If people died it was strictly because something went wrong. And FFXI even had a re-raise spell. Sorry man. This isn't supposed to WoW2.0 This is supposed to be Final Fantasy.

I'm not saying it is, nor do I want it to be. I've played WoW for about 3 months top in my lifetime lol. FFXI did have reraise yes, which if anything, enables this strategy even more and further validates it. I'm not saying this isn't an exploit, or it is, I'm saying I don't think it is based on my experiences with MMO's and how this strategy has popped up in my shapes, ways and forms over time (losing hate, recovering, continue with fight).

It all comes down to if the moogles not aggroing to sight is intentional or not. If not, then it's a bug which is being exploited. If however the moogles aggro behaviour is as intended there is no exploit here.

Dey gots dey eyes closed man, dey blindness gots to be intentional.

Good Lord the OP was good for a laugh. Seriously though, its not that bad (hard) to get a legit kill on it w/o using the "exploit." Just need to have people stay focused and move/react quickly. Hell I even went MRD (not tanking) for the wins I have.

Simply banning someone for taking advantage of an "exploit" is just stupid, though there's no fun in winning when using it.

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Originally Posted by TheFatHousecat

What I do care about is the wipe/raise exploit, and the blatant disregard for basic game mechanics/rules that the people using it exhibit :/

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I imagine you guys also get your Moogle key items as a group, without disbanding, splitting, or having 2-3 people do it for the rest of the party. You know, the proper and intended way.

I'm asking because if you have chosen to only follow rules that you have arbitrarily deemed as important (while you're ignoring a lot of other rules and intended ways to do things) then this complaining doesn't mean much.

I'd much rather ban all the people who use crafting bots....

Oh wait... which is the greater

A.) # of people using crafting bots
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B.) # of people using "exploit" in Moogle fight


Result from either option A or option B = 80% or more of the community vanishes over night.
*Warning: these statistics are generated from the most accurate source of information in the World, my mind.

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Originally Posted by DevilsAdvocate

What she said ^

We rejected that "strat" from the second we read it. As far as egos go I have yet to toot my own horn about this other than to label it as a "Legit kill". If you want me to come right out and say this then I will also add that I DO in fact think we are better than those people who have to use the death and re-raise trick. I think everyone who can beat it without doing that is in fact better than those who can't. If that makes me sound egotistical then so what? It's true fact. If it were an open world NM we'd claim it from you when you let it de-agro and murder it in front of your faces to show you don't need to pull shit like that to win a fight. Now man up and get better so you can do it the proper way. Case closed.

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Using this term reminds me of figures such as John Wayne, not King Moggle Mog XII. Please, this is just a damn game. Get over it and get over yourselves.

OP is stupid as shit. This exploit is available anywhere in Eorzea, not just in that stupid instance.