Price Reduction =)

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Originally Posted by Orcishgrappler

When 2.0 comes out they are going to charge 12.99 when others mmo games are 14.99 with as many characters as you want. this is a problem. Please help me to understand why they need to charge 3$ per character? If you can sell me the reason I will be glad to hear it. (and also tell my why wow and rift can give you unlimited free characters while your at it.)

By the way when replying spare the white knight lines, im a big ff fan and will stay anyway no matter what, I just think this is not a smart move for future success in the game. (people on this forum have a for every aspect or against every aspect mindset on here so sadly I have to set that up lol)

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Originaly everything about this game was designed to combat RMT but it had the devastating effect of almost killing the game before it even got started. I wont list all the RMT countermeasures they put in place as most of us already have experianced them at some point and still are as they are tied into the very core of the game down to its server infrastructure. Charging for a service account and per character seperatly is just another example of an RMT countermeasure as RMT use many characters to farm gold.

The problem is you cant beat RMT and Tanaka almost destroyed this game trying.

Its still fairly cheap I think, im happy to pay for this game and I cant wait untill they start billing.

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Originally Posted by Aenarion

This may or may not be true, as the page doesn't explicitly state whether there will be purchasable retainers available once sub goes live. The statement is ambiguous enough that it can be read both ways, and without any explicit mention of purchasable retainers at all atm, I'm leaning towards the side that there in fact may very well be no purchasable retainer until 2.0 at the earliest.

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Well, yeah, I was talking about post 2.0.

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Originally Posted by Akuun

It's this {they can do no wrong} mentality that allows governments to become corrupt, and companies to keep screwing over their customers with terrible products.

People payed for a product, the product was incomplete and people are voicing it. You on the other hand are defending their actions and telling everyone that doesn't agree with you that their opinions don't matter.

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Correction...people had a choice to pay for a product...said people could have waited for reviews etc. MMOs are ever evolving...said peoples who complained also played a year for free...said peoples want a free game because they haven't been paying...simple.

Also, most people who play multiple characters would pay for multiple accounts since they then can play them simultaneously.

They can do no wrong mentality? Seriously? I enjoyed FFXIV since launch. I'm sorry you didn't...I continue to enjoy the game. It's not everyone's cup of tea. If everyone liked the same thing there wouldn't be choices and options. Everything would be stagnant with no room for creativity and thought. SE made a game it wasn't everyone's cup of tea in fact it didn't get many players...so they decided to remake the game and hopefully make it to appeal more people. It's an experiment in creative licensing which ultimately is SE's loss or gain. Their decision on their direction and our decision to be part of it or not.

As far as governments are concerned...they become corrupt because people are corrupt. And people would rather vote for the popular than unpopular. And mostly it's the people who are their own worst enemy...

It's funny whether or not they put in a price reduction...and I said it before in previous posts...it doesn't matter...those that will complain will complain. They reduced the price...and if you pay for 180 days it's pretty deep discount. And yet people still complain. The fact is those complainers just want a free game. It's that simple. Least they could do is admit it.

And if you've seen the decrease in players it's just cause we've beaten Ifrit a couple hundred times and pretty worn out and the loot rate is horrible...and it's such a waste to get 2 of the same weapon so instead of getting infuriated most took a break. There are also many other games out. It's healthy to take some time off any game.

Sorry but anyone defending this 3$ a char is a biggest fanboys I've ever seen. There is no excuse to charge for it. There are other games which allow even more freedom to build your character and you can have more chars for the sub price. Some of you should start sending SE money just to feel good. SE should add donations to the game.

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Originally Posted by Quisi

Sorry but anyone defending this 3$ a char is a biggest fanboys I've ever seen. There is no excuse to charge for it. There are other games which allow even more freedom to build your character and you can have more chars for the sub price. Some of you should start sending SE money just to feel good. SE should add donations to the game.

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Not an excuse if any I see. That's SE's price model. This was their price model with FF11 as well. The current price model has been in place since FFXIV the game started. Now they've even added a discount. Your choice to pay or not to pay.

And again I say...if the other games are so amazing as you say...please please leave and go play those. Instead of complaining on these forums for a game you hate so much that apparently costs so much.

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Originally Posted by Quisi

Sorry but anyone defending this 3$ a char is a biggest fanboys I've ever seen. There is no excuse to charge for it. There are other games which allow even more freedom to build your character and you can have more chars for the sub price. Some of you should start sending SE money just to feel good. SE should add donations to the game.

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Thank you for this flame bait of an inaccurate remark - it gave me a good chuckle.

So I guess folks like you feel like they should just charge $6.99? LOL For my two characters, with retainers being free right now, I am only going to be charged $12.99. That is in line with some mmorpgs monthly fee subscriptions. I was willing to pay the $15.99 but this feels a little better until 2.0. If you guys want a free to play mmo there are options around.

yah...not paying 10$ a month for what tiny amount of content we have...and with all the problems we cant get fixed until 2.0.....see yah then...if i dont end up forgetting about it.

I like it, 9.99 till 2.0 is fair in my opinion.

btw you people that bitch about 3 dollars per character amuse me to no end, you can play everything on one character and no bullshit like "that race cant play this class because of "insert BS lore here"
and for the love of god dont call it a toon >.<

There are free games that allow you to play every class on one character.

You cannot justify this.

Farts in a bottle.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=...ture=endscreen

$3 per character is completely crazy.

Like everything else that sucks in this game, its born out of them making a priority of cutting down the RMT. Surplus, Market Wards, Gathering Fatigue, leve limits, 4 trade slots, no mailboxes, server lag caused by encryption and verification of every action to Japan -- All anti-RMT measures that have made this game suck. Instead of learning their lesson, they're at it again with this pricing model. Good luck with that.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

$3 per character is completely crazy.

Like everything else that sucks in this game, its born out of them making a priority of cutting down the RMT. Surplus, Market Wards, Gathering Fatigue, leve limits, 4 trade slots, no mailboxes, server lag caused by encryption and verification of every action to Japan -- All anti-RMT measures that have made this game suck. Instead of learning their lesson, they're at it again with this pricing model. Good luck with that.

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They will succeed with that model. Nobody will play ffxiv anymore or at least not enough for any rmt to make it worth their while... good job SE

I'm very happy with the billing being reduced, even without I still would have paid my monthly fees. :D
Combine that with the 180 days payment, it's really cheap. :p

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Originally Posted by Apricoth

Thank you for this flame bait of an inaccurate remark - it gave me a good chuckle.

So I guess folks like you feel like they should just charge $6.99? LOL For my two characters, with retainers being free right now, I am only going to be charged $12.99. That is in line with some mmorpgs monthly fee subscriptions. I was willing to pay the $15.99 but this feels a little better until 2.0. If you guys want a free to play mmo there are options around.

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My thoughts exactly, even my better half who sometimes loathes my long gaming sessions thought this was a good deal for how much I get out enjoyment I get out of the game.

Pleasently surprised by this announcement.

I now take bets on the date when a "Occupy official forums" thread is created to fight this oh so cruel 3$ per extra character charge.

Just gonna say, the discount is nice I have no problem with that and I will pay it.

But as a new player to this game, the paying something a month per character slot seems crazy to me. I don't think I have seen another p2p game that uses this kind of logic. (if the game was f2p I would find it acceptable)
I know you can do all the classes on one character but a lot of people like to make different characters for other reasons.
But as a slight counter argument, you could make 10 characters on WoW, each one being a different class and then you have effectively "maxed every class" by only paying the base cost, and you can still make another 40 characters.

Also I remember when I first started this game and I logged on and was confused at why it wouldn't let me create a character, because you have to "buy" one first (even though you get it for free). That whole process was just really confusing and sorting out my debit details with click and buy was a pain in the butt.
I have spoken to friends about the weird payment methods with this game and it takes ages for me to explain it, and they all think it sounds terrible.

So yeah, I think it should be way more simple in my opinion. This current system is not very approachable, its like the rest of FFXIV everything (including payment) has a steep learning curve :P.

Any ways I know a lot of you disagree, but thought id voice my opinion.

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Originally Posted by Quesse

$3 per character is completely crazy.

Like everything else that sucks in this game, its born out of them making a priority of cutting down the RMT. Surplus, Market Wards, Gathering Fatigue, leve limits, 4 trade slots, no mailboxes, server lag caused by encryption and verification of every action to Japan -- All anti-RMT measures that have made this game suck. Instead of learning their lesson, they're at it again with this pricing model. Good luck with that.

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3 dollar character fee was always the fee, i dont know why it is coming at such a surprise to people.

Wow= Hold alot of Characters.. Setback? Yep 1 Character = 1 class thats it so you have to make a New Character just to play a different class.. and if you wanted to level up the classes? well tough you have to do it on 6-8 different Characters

FFXI ~ FFXIV= 1 Character does it all Charging per Character is def. spot on. and also less confusion @.@

Just a question for people currently using the Crysta payment method, are you able to purchase crysta directly with your CC/Debit card and will it automatically ding you every payment period? If I can, I would like to avoid using Click and Buy again. Glad for the discount, even though I personally would have payed the original set price, but I will take it.

Does anyone else find it mildly frustrating that people seem to parade around that "3$ was always the fee, what are you talking about?" when not a single one of us has paid a single penny for a single day spent ingame thus far...?

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Originally Posted by Quisi

Sorry but anyone defending this 3$ a char is a biggest fanboys I've ever seen. There is no excuse to charge for it. There are other games which allow even more freedom to build your character and you can have more chars for the sub price. Some of you should start sending SE money just to feel good. SE should add donations to the game.

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And anyone thinking you need more then one charatcer in a game that allows you to play everything in one mule is just plain silly and needs to really think about what they are asking for.

What we should be complaining about is the retainers. Why do we need to pay extra for those?

Yay for reduced price. Yay for FFXI discount.

Nay for $3/character. Nay for FFXI discount only lasting three months where it should be continued indefinitely, since they're not even putting effort into FFXI anymore. (It might change but I won't hold my breath, SE and their learning curve...)

Also nay for the possibility of having to pay for our 1st two retainers starting 2.0. The ones we've had all this time and filled with items which are integral to our playing routines. Yeah, that won't be an awkward transition... /sarcasm

Not sure why SE continues to be so full of themselves with all the negative response they get. Live and let die, or something! :o

Well, time will tell which (between XI and XIV) I end up quitting.

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Originally Posted by Victor

Does anyone else find it mildly frustrating that people seem to parade around that "3$ was always the fee, what are you talking about?" when not a single one of us has paid a single penny for a single day spent ingame thus far...?

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3.00/char and 1.00/retainer has always been the projected cost since....sept 2010? THEN they decided not to make us pay so obviously we never payed a penny. The knowledge has always been there though. It's your own fault for being ignorant if you never realized it until now.

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Originally Posted by Richard_BG

3.00/char and 1.00/retainer has always been the projected cost since....sept 2010? THEN they decided not to make us pay so obviously we never payed a penny. The knowledge has always been there though. It's your own fault for being ignorant if you never realized it until now.

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I know people feel clever when they state facts people tend to overlook, but really? Like everything else in this game, your projected cost was a decision born from a mountain of bad ones, which they are struggling to rectify. According to your logic, Richard, we should still be paying full price since you're stuck in 2010. Apparently, I'm not the ignorant one! Huzzah

3$ per additional char sounds bad on paper, tho most ffxi fans know you can do everything on 1 character, most new players looking to try/buy the game for the first time might get turned off by it.

im happy w/ the discount tho. i'll probably pay to play the whole way til 2.0 now. pending on how the patches are up to it.

I don't like that 3€/$ per character fee even though i agree you can do everything on one character.

You can always deactivate one of your slots and activate another one for as long as you wish, the only downside is that you are then stuck with that character for one month at least, unless you pay that is.

When do the updated prices show up on the account page?

I am still seeing the old prices in my recurring services...

I am showing the charge to be $60+ for 180 days

"Give us a discount!"

"I don't like this discount!"

/headdesk

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Originally Posted by Hartigan_Redsail

"Give us a discount!"

"I don't like this discount!"

/headdesk

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You just made the best summary of these forums I've seen so far.


However, I'm still glad to see all the complaints since we might not have had that price reduction without them.

And that proves that people still care, even if it causes massive headaches sometimes.

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Originally Posted by Hartigan_Redsail

"Give us a discount!"

"I don't like this discount!"

/headdesk

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If its not free.. then they don;t like it.. simple math really... :/

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Originally Posted by Starlord

If its not free.. then they don;t like it.. simple math really... :/

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everyone wants more for less

its human nature unfortunateoy, and its getting almost retarded


why do you think black friday is so insane in america.....people kill each other over it

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Originally Posted by TheVedis

everyone wants more for less

its human nature unfortunateoy, and its getting almost retarded


why do you think black friday is so insane in america.....people kill each other over it

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unfortunately this is true, there are black friday related deaths,lol. how ever its prob not as popular as you think it is. more people would rather not be in that mess then get the deal.

The subscription discount is nice but unless the next update is truly amazing and adds more to the game I think I will skip out on playing for a month or more. Lately I've been logging on the game for 5 minutes and then logging back off because there is just not a whole lot to do anymore. I will wait and see next update.

They really need to make payment options more hassle-free.
I'd rather not give click and buy my credit card info.

I loathed Microsoft over their company currency they use on Xbox live..
The Crysta fee for the game is an odd unusual number and the amounts you can buy are full even amounts that are either not enough or too much... I hate business practices like these.
(edit: I noticed you can add a specific amount of crysta... but it still wants click and buy to do it.)
Online payment services might be nice if you already use them for something else... but for people (such as myself) who have to set one up just to play this game... that is an annoyance. :/

I used to be annoyed by the playonline service for FFXI... now I'd rather take that then what SE has set up for this game.. I'm hoping they revamp payments options real good if they want people to pay.

Xeonerable,
the payment options are going to change and you can put in exactly crysta amounts of your choice. I believe they gave a date of Dec 16 when the new options will be available in the account management.

・An auto gear change system designed specifically to work with the Armoury
・A UI system that allows for toggling between text and icon display
・An environment that supports user-generated add-on content (PC only)
The implementation of a new server system will allow us
to greatly improve and expand upon current player
community features. The following is a list of some of
the additions being planned:
・Additional in-game community options
（Free Company establishment, growth, and competition)
・In-game delivery and mail systems
・Player housing (estates)
・PvP content
・Revamping of the retainer system and markets
Implementation of the aforementioned features will begin
in the third quarter of the fiscal year ending March 31, 2013.
Improvement of search function, release of auction house features, measures to stimulate in-game
economy after patch 1.20.
Complete redesign of markets into a system incorporating retainers and auction house elements. Planned
for version 2.0.

All this is coming, and imo, more than worth paying for. Discount? Hell Ya~! It took me a long time to get used to XIV, I was too busy comparing it to XI. It's not the same, but the pricing is, which I don't have a problem with. You want WoW, Rift, w/e MMO to play 12783654393 chars to level all jobs and crafts go right ahead, I hate having to do all the quests over and over, once is enough for me.

I like the idea of retainers, I don't have to leave the monster running 24/7 to bazaar...(hella high ele bills) I have always been a Final Fantasy fan, call me a fan boy, but I don't see a problem in a 3$ char fee and 1$ or w/e for retainers.
Then they give us a discount and do all this work if anyone else read the email and the documents attached to it, they lay it all out. Give us dates for patches, everything! Just wait in faith of SE, they are trying.
Yes, we will lose people to swapping over to Subs, but people will always find something to whine about. I do not want easy mode, I want something the company cares about to totally revamp it, do everything they can to make the game the best it can be. They are even going to give us add-ons, so maybe we can have those handy things we like... You know if you played XI.

ANyways, I am happy with wqhat I see in game already, and what is to come, yes, some of it will be a long wait, but worth it. No other MMO is like the FF series. This is why I like it.

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Originally Posted by Riyoalsaki

・An auto gear change system designed specifically to work with the Armoury
・A UI system that allows for toggling between text and icon display
・An environment that supports user-generated add-on content (PC only)
The implementation of a new server system will allow us
to greatly improve and expand upon current player
community features. The following is a list of some of
the additions being planned:
・Additional in-game community options
（Free Company establishment, growth, and competition)
・In-game delivery and mail systems
・Player housing (estates)
・PvP content
・Revamping of the retainer system and markets
Implementation of the aforementioned features will begin
in the third quarter of the fiscal year ending March 31, 2013.
Improvement of search function, release of auction house features, measures to stimulate in-game
economy after patch 1.20.
Complete redesign of markets into a system incorporating retainers and auction house elements. Planned
for version 2.0.

All this is coming, and imo, more than worth paying for.

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It's coming in a year. And we're not waiting to pay in a year, we'll be paying in a month.

Again, makes me feel like we're paying to develop a future game, not something we can enjoy now.

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

It's coming in a year. And we're not paying in a year, we're paying now.

Again, makes me feel like we're paying to develop a future game, not something we can enjoy now.

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of course we are paying to develop a future game
but thats the definition of paying for ANY mmo out there

right now as of this next patch, we have at endgame
3 strongholds
1 dungeon
2 primal fights(if you count moogle)
Several NMs(dodore, buffalo etc)


thats 7 activities, more if you count each NM its own thing


if you consider this the "launch" of the game where we start paying, it is pretty up to par endgame wise to most other games at launch with its endgame content

thats not counting several other non fighting related things such as the achievemnt system


people need to not think of 2.0 but what we have NOW, every game always has something else coming to it, same as this one, but you dont pay for whats coming, you pay for what you have now that you are playing

do you enjoy what you are playing now? if the answer is yes, then you shouldnt care what comes next year, and dwell on paying now when you want to pay then, you can do BOTH.
as long as you enjoy an mmo theres no reason not to pay for it(unless you dont have the money of course)

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Originally Posted by Rowyne

It's coming in a year. And we're not paying in a year, we're paying now.

Again, makes me feel like we're paying to develop a future game, not something we can enjoy now.

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Not all of it is coming out in a year. It is being slowly released. Here is the full thing.

http://wdl.square-enix.com/ffxiv/dow...Outline_EN.pdf

Operations Roadmap
■Major Milestones
・Late November to Early Decemeber, 2011 - Patch 1.20 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Class adjustments (abilities & weaponskills) / Malevolent Moogle (Primal) battle
⇒Achievement system (300+ planned) / Market adjustments / PC search
⇒The continuation of Disciple of the Hand recipe adjustments (HQ items / Repair adjustments)
・Early February 2012 - Patch 1.21 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Creation of Private Rooms (Inns, etc.) / Hamlet defense PvE content
⇒The job system (7 jobs plus related quests and gear) / Personal chocobo gear
⇒Two new instanced raids
・Mid April 2012 - Patch 1.22 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Garuda (Primal) battle./ Battle system balance adjustments
⇒Garlean Empire battle content
・Early to Mid July 2012 - Patch 1.23 (and subsequent hotfixes)
⇒Garlean Empire Legatus battle
⇒Content surrounding the Twelve mythos
*The aforementioned content is only a fraction of the new features we have planned for the coming patches.
*Detailed patch schedules and outlines will be released on the Lodestone once fixed.
Comprehensive Roadmap
■The Road to Version 2.0
・Late November to Early December – Monthly subscription fees begin (PC)
・Late November to Early December – Patch 1.20
・Early February 2012 – Patch 1.21
・February 2012 – Development test server reconstruction complete
・Mid April 2012 – Patch 1.22
・April 2012 – Version 2.0 client system complete
- Commence porting of current game content to version 2.0 client
・June 2012 – Worldwide launch of new promotion trailer at E3
・Early to Mid July 2012 – Patch 1.23
・September to October 2012 – Begin distribution of version 2.0 software for PC
- Begin distribution of PlayStation®3 system beta version
・October to November 2012 – Reinstate limited free trial period for PC version
- Commence PlayStation®3 system closed beta test
・Post-January 2013 – Version 2.0 client (PC and PlayStation®3 system) goes on sale
- Free trial period ends

30 bucks for 180 days during discount? that is about 5 dollars a month. I was hoping it would be 7.

If you choose the long subscription SE more than surpassed my expectations on the discount. I'll be staying

SE, thank you!

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Originally Posted by Volsung

30 bucks for 180 days during discount? that is about 5 dollars a month. I was hoping it would be 7.

If you choose the long subscription SE more than surpassed my expectations on the discount. I'll be staying

SE, thank you!

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you read it wrong
your actualy paying 8 per month if you choose the 180 day plan(3 per month per character on top of the first number)


which is still cheaper compared to everything else out there