I have 501 attack and the increase on pies seem to be % based so thats why you are getting more of a boos than me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zdenka
And i agree you cant just multiply your attack and get your WS damage number but if the +24 i put on my weapon did increase my WS damage at all the difference was so small it just wasn't noticable as i was doing 820-830 crits before i equipped it and after i did.
Also have you done any Str testing? i need to get a 2nd set of armour made so i can test it myself but am curious to know if it directly affects any damage or if its just a set amount increases your attack power.
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10-11-2011, 08:20 AMPenguin
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10-11-2011, 08:43 AMActusTY.Quote:
Originally Posted by Felix
And yep. It's pretty gay that I got an Ifrit's Blade and I'm nowhere even near being able to equip it. Just gotta keep killing him and hope for the right weapon to pop up in your chat log. -
10-11-2011, 09:13 AMRentahamsterReally? I tried using skills like Trunksplitter and Maim from the front, rear, sides, etc, but I didn't see any "you hit Irfit's horns" message. The only time I see that is when I hit Ifrit from the front with Brutal Swing or Spinstroke.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xmbei
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10-11-2011, 09:19 AMMuruganhttp://lodestone.finalfantasyxiv.com.../battle02.htmlQuote:
Originally Posted by Rentahamster
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10-11-2011, 10:37 AMRentahamsterYeah, what I meant was that other than the Other (Right) and Other (Left) categories, I can't find any other place on Ifrit to incapacitate. Limbs (Right) and Limbs (Left) and Other (Outer) don't seem to do anything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Murugan
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10-11-2011, 11:25 AMActus
To Bayohne if you see this:
Please ask the Dev's "Why do you get weapons that you can't even use from the chest?" I am a Thaumaturge main. My Gladiator is only rank 36 and I got an Ifrit's Blade as my reward for one of the fights. My team's Gladiator gets the Ifrit's Cudgel. His THM is only in the thirties as well. The drops should be a random chance, but make it so that it's a random chance for weapons to drop that you actually have at rank 50. This is very aggravating to me that we finally can kill Ifrit and we're getting weapons that we can't even use.
Edit: Just got Ifrit's Battleaxe... FOR MY RANK 17 MARAUDER -.- -
10-11-2011, 01:24 PMPenguin
Video of our first kill from lancer point of view.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=egEhOOhRNs4
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10-11-2011, 02:04 PMGrendelAs an ex-"hardcore" ffxi player, Ifrit as he is right now is more difficult than 90% of the content they released in FFXI (excluding Pandemonium Warden and AV). although I quit playing right before the level cap was raised from 75. As it stands, ifrit is the only hard content in the game lolQuote:
Originally Posted by EmeraldHill
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10-11-2011, 02:21 PMNeptuneThat was epic. Well done. I see nearly every member of your team has sentinel. Nice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
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10-11-2011, 02:50 PMcarrawayYou see wrong. Everyone has Sentinel.Quote:
Originally Posted by Neptune
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10-11-2011, 03:16 PMTheFatHousecat
Cudgel drop to someone who can use it, blue balls forever.
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10-11-2011, 03:25 PMEmeraldHill
Why in the main OP you apologize for the parser link? So you were using an illegal third party program or what?
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10-11-2011, 03:34 PMcarrawayWe craftbotted every single one of our kills.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmeraldHill
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10-11-2011, 03:40 PMPenguin
I apologise for also running Ventrilo, Fraps and Google Chrome in the background during the kill since they are 3rd party programs aswell.
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10-11-2011, 04:08 PMActus
Of course it goes to a non mage main. ; ;
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10-11-2011, 04:57 PMRotax
Congratulatios guys!!!!! :)
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10-11-2011, 06:59 PMTheFatHousecat
NEW MINI-GAME: IFRIT ROULETTE
Also, we wanted to keep this a secret for a little bit longer, but this is REALLY how we fight Ifrit:
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10-12-2011, 03:09 AMActus
/sigh @ drop system...
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10-12-2011, 03:11 AMReinheart/comfort ....Quote:
Originally Posted by Actus
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10-12-2011, 03:14 AMRaikki
Honestly I think the drop system would've worked so much better if they had cloned how Divine Might worked in FFXI and made it where you could only have 1 Ifrit weapon at a time but could select which one you wanted upon completion and redo the fight if you wanted to change it.
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10-12-2011, 03:18 AMReinheartOr like FFXI primal/avatar fights where you can choose 1 reward and can retake the reward if you drop the item, but can have more than 1 if you wanted.Quote:
Originally Posted by Raikki
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10-12-2011, 05:10 AMLuluna
Congratulations good job ^^
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10-12-2011, 05:22 AMEmeraldHillGood to know that you botted crafts so you could kill bosses.Quote:
Originally Posted by carraway
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10-12-2011, 05:52 AMPenguinHe was using sarcasm because apparently you don't know what a parser is.Quote:
Originally Posted by EmeraldHill
If you were to check what crafts the group that killed it have you would notice most of us only have 1 craft at 50 some of us have none mainly because we hate crafting and find it boring as hell but didn't want to bot it to 50.
And a parser is a 3rd party tool that is used to calculate damage done, it wont help you win the fight and it doesn't instantly kill a boss for you the main reason we use it is for perfecting damage rotations to maximise damage done, this can be done without a parser but its just much easier to use the parser. -
10-12-2011, 06:13 AMTsubarta
Please stop responding to EmeraldHill, their trolling has been pretty blatant.
This drop method spits in the face of established loot distribution systems, and I really do think it's intended as "anti-point".
This would not be an issue if the fight was something less than the single most challenging piece of content currently in existence within XIV's endgame spectrum. 150+ wipes by one of the most skilled NA Linkshells does not constitute "Silly players! You are not mature enough to handle gear distribution!" - This was acceptable when fighting the mind numbing faction leve NM's, you could chain these leves one after the other and practically fall asleep killing things.
Long and short of it: Nerf Ifrit, keep loot system. Don't touch Ifrit, lose loot system.
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10-12-2011, 07:37 AMActus
I honestly hope that they don't nerf Ifrit. Once gear progression increases and better gear comes along, the fight will be easier for everyone. But having it so hard is really something for them, the game Devs, to be proud of.
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10-12-2011, 07:58 AMZdenkaOk, sorry peng for late posts but I can't post at work and we were into Ifrit so...Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
Last night I did these swaps:
+27 STR
+50 Crit Attack
-4 Attack
We started right away so I couldn't get a 2nd spear to test lots lower attack power but here's my notes:
-Crit Attack is NOT bonus damage to criticals. It is Critical Attack RATE... the materia is misleading... so there goes my idea of reaching 1100 Doomspikes because it was banking on that, oh well.
-4 attack lower (maybe 5 if I lost one off food) DID lower my top end Doomspikes by around 10. I no longer did upper 860s/lower 870s but mostly upper 850s/lower860s (862 high compared to 874 before) This is in line with my 1 attack = 2 damage on top end WS.
-27 STR did NOT increase top end damage, my theory about it I'll type after this. Most likely it increases bottom end damage (average damage) heres my screenshot of last night: http://img210.imageshack.us/img210/9...1010080221.png
As you see, me stacking on STR gave me a very high low doomspike end, and a very good average.
Theory about STR/ATK:
Attack raises top end spectrum, and STR raises bottom end of the spectrum.
Example, lets say the game RNG's every hit 1-10 at the start, if you averaged out 10 hits you would do 50 damage (10+9+8...)
Adding some STR would change the range to 3-10, with 10 hits you would average 58 damage, but your highest hit will still be 10.
Now lets do attack, lets say adding attack would change it to 1-12, and averaging the 10 hits would be maybe 55-60, and it will let you see a higher # (12) but you still will get the very small numbers.
Theoretically you could add enough STR to this to make the range 10-10, but I doubt they made that possible so its most likely they are on a curve. The more STR you add, the less valuable it becomes (lower rate as you progress) but as you add more attack it fixes the curve making STR more valuable again.
This also means that attack then raises BOTH the top and bottom ends. By raising the top and fixing the curve, your current STR becomes more valuable thus raising the bottom along with it.
This means Attack > STR but at some point STR > ATK. This makes it so neither is better all the time, but typically Attack should edge out STR.
Thats my theory of what I've seen so far, and obviously this is a very crude example in an attempt to explain it though maybe it will help you come up with a more correct version at some point in time and it only explains the relationship between str and atk ignoring all other factors.
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10-12-2011, 08:03 AMActus
That's odd. I thought it would work similar to magic. Our crit potency only increases the damage done w/ crits. We have our own crit rate modifier. Although only one piece of gear has it. =/ Hopefully more in the future.
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10-12-2011, 08:27 AMPenguin
@Zdenka Yeah i did some testing of my own last night after putting a +28 attack power materia in my lance and definitely noticed an increase in top end damage, i still think food is either bugged or doesn't provide the same 1 > 2 ratio since the +70ish attack im gaining from food should increase my doomspikes by a noticeable amount but i have never seen any real difference from using food, and thanks for doing the testing its nice to know stats are actually having a decent affect on what damage we do now so we can min max a bit better with materia.
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10-12-2011, 08:40 AMZdenkaYep, I even slotted it midrun... my Doomspike crits had no noticable difference but the parser said I went to 11% crit rate up from 7%.Quote:
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10-12-2011, 09:06 AMZdenkaYeah I mean, like I said before its not going to make you magically win the fight but it will make it easier. I think we've gotten down to 15%? now... still just having trouble surviving hellfire in an organized fashion.Quote:
Originally Posted by Penguin
First thing on my agenda is getting double slotted Attack materia on my weapon and gloves. Im using a 2x materia STR/ATK gloves that someone is loaning me right now.
They honestly need to fix server delays on void zones for encounters like this though, like 10 feet out and still getting hit is so stupid. I can see how its tuned for 1 materia gear (though honestly I think someone -might- be able to beat it in full 1.18 gear still, in any case I don't think its impossible) but yeah -.-;; they really really need to fix animation delay and server delay if they are going to continue making encounters similar to ifrit. -
10-12-2011, 10:00 AMReinheart
from jp 2ch they said if you use gladiators ws can stop ifrit from using the big damage attack. posting from my phone
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10-12-2011, 10:15 AMZdenkaContagion Riot Blade? That doesn't work for any of his other WS's lol, why does it work for Hellfire?Quote:
Originally Posted by Reinheart
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10-12-2011, 10:20 AMTheFatHousecat
Reinheart, your sig., rofl.
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10-12-2011, 11:16 AMPenguin
Bow Dropped.
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102 damage, 4.3 delay, 20 attack power, 15 fire resistance, additional fire damage. -
10-12-2011, 11:29 AMZdenka
Btw it seems im hitting top end doomspikes for 900 now with the +1 guisarme over the NQ. (Highest 906).
This is about 40-45 damage difference, or 8 damage per 1 DMG on weapon. Ifrit spear is 154? I don't think that will get beat out by a materia lance, don't think its possible at that rate. -
10-12-2011, 11:31 AMMeowyWowie
Working on breaking 1k Victimize II. Almost there, just need some more crit+ in my body.
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10-12-2011, 11:31 AMKeftenk
I love calling into work saying I'll be late by 15min, only to wipe to Ifrit @ <10% for the attempt that was supposed to be win lol...off to work I guess
EDIT: I'm really impressed with Pugilist damage, can easily keep up with Lancer damage, usually in the middle or a little behind in over all, but still very potent. -
10-12-2011, 12:36 PMMeowyWowieConstantly parsing #2 on PUG. One LNC buddy I just can't beat yet, but staying very close. He'll get what's coming to him though XDQuote:
Originally Posted by Keftenk
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10-12-2011, 12:38 PMcarraway
By all rights LNC has the highest theoretical damage ceiling simply due to the fact that you can Doomspike II potentially every 10 seconds, but you can Victimize/Maim only every 60 seconds (not counting Keen Flurries, which would bring it down to 1/30s).