I'm a male healer and I don't want to dress like a girl

Fun fact:

WoW has 5 healer classes. One cloth, two leather, one mail, one plate.

EQ2 has 7 healers. None of them wear cloth, because there's 6 classes that wear cloth, all mages. Two plate, two chain, three leather.

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Originally Posted by Nadirah

EQ2 has 7 healers. None of them wear cloth, because there's 6 classes that wear cloth, all mages. Two plate, two chain, three leather.

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Well... In this game healers are mages ^^; Don't know what that looks like in EQ2. But on the whole it sounds like they have a lot more classes/jobs anyway ^^;

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Well... In this game healers are mages ^^; Don't know what that looks like in EQ2. But on the whole it sounds like they have a lot more classes/jobs anyway ^^;

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Aye, which was part of my point. WHM is a mage. Mages wear cloth in most games. Cloth usually results in dresses.

When the game launched you had four archetypes, that turned into 12 classes that turned into 24 subclasses.

Then they added Beastlord(chain, melee dps/pet) and Channeler(leather/bow healer pet class). Not sure they added anything after that. I quit after Skyshrine, right before Channelers.

Gandalf says...
http://s4.postimg.org/9491edth9/images.jpg

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Originally Posted by Suggestion

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Radagast would like to disagree... When he can remember what he's disagreeing with:
https://www.wetanz.com/assets/Upload...agastalrg2.jpg

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Originally Posted by Noxifer

Radagast would like to disagree... When he can remember what he's disagreeing with:

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Sir i give... you have my like

Hey, I'm all for more "masculine" gear sets (And by that I mean, less sets that are just.. flowy pretty robes), but please oh please don't make the same set look entirely different between guys and girls. I want to look cool too.

sry to be picky but...... whats up with "like a girl" not all girls/women dress feminine. We really need to stop putting a negetive conection with girls. -_-;; (again sorry to be picky.)

I also didn't realise robes meant dresses, or were "like a girl". Hate ti say it but there is a ton of glamour in this game that u can make a manly macho healer look if you wanted. most crafter/gather gear is "all classes" plus all the post 50 stuff is re vamped looks based on combat classes. I'm all for adding more options, just try to pick your words better op.

I agree with the 'negative' insinuation towards female wear, even if it wasn't intended.

But while there's nothing bad with robes as such, there's also the whole lack of variety =/ I don't think anyone would complain nearly as much if the ratio of robes vs non-robes of mage gear was closer to 60/40, or even 50/50. But when nine out of ten outfits one gets (per category, not caster/healer counted together) are 'just another robe', one tends to get a little fed up with it. And sure, there's plenty of gatherer/crafter gear to utilize, but at the same time mages shouldn't be forced to look completely outside their role in order to find something that's not a robe ^^; (Other than the bliauds, which I personally love, but someone else in this thread has said is 'too frilly' for their tastes.)

Even tanks have plenty of variety in their armour styles, before having to resort to DoW gear. There are bulky tincans and sleek chainmails, and now lately coats and robes. And with the addition of DoW-classed gear, which while not tank gear is still combat gear, there's cloth and leather outfits in plenty. Mages have always been the most limited of classes when it comes to glamour and gear, sadly, since the majority of their levelling gear is "all classes", while physical DPS have "DoW" and tanks have their more limited category (sometimes kindly letting lancer/dragoon wear it) but still have access to DoW gear.

TL;DR - robes are good, but variation is better.

(Edit: Just saw your sig, Azazua ^^ Nice to find a fellow aspie+add player!)

More of this, please:
http://cdn3.dualshockers.com/wp-cont...uality_004.jpg

:D

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

sry to be picky but...... whats up with "like a girl" not all girls/women dress feminine. We really need to stop putting a negetive conection with girls. -_-;; (again sorry to be picky.)

I also didn't realise robes meant dresses, or were "like a girl". Hate ti say it but there is a ton of glamour in this game that u can make a manly macho healer look if you wanted. most crafter/gather gear is "all classes" plus all the post 50 stuff is re vamped looks based on combat classes. I'm all for adding more options, just try to pick your words better op.

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I apologize if I sounded rude somehow, I truly appreciate the feedback. English is not my mother language. I am a very pro-inclusive guy, don't get me wrong :), again, thank you for your feedback

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

You just gotta get creative

http://i62.tinypic.com/2ibbui0.png

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Your top piece looks like an apron with tools on it and the back missing. Its quite feminine dude if not sassy.

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

Your top piece looks like an apron with tools on it and the back missing. Its quite feminine dude if not sassy.

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It's crafter's outfit (level 55 and 60)

To me the Healer gear is getting flat out boring. I go around it by glamouring of course, but when you get new gear you expect it to be awesome on any race or gender. My WHM now looks like a hoodlum with a bald cap. My robe looks like that of a priest, not bad, but we have PLENTY of those. Best Gown Ever, Militia Robe, Darklight Robe. Give us an open white jacket flowing backwards, maybe revealing some chest (Chill the *Fran* out. For men and women ok?) with a dark undershirt perhaps. A plain hood (preferrable with no extra designs other than the red stripes.) They do well with boots. Our gloves look wierd, not sure why, its like Catz coming back to broadway stuff (reference ik). Different style plz, but DONT take examples from PvP.

http://images.wikia.com/finalfantasy...aWhiteMage.jpg

or

http://pre01.deviantart.net/72d6/th/...10-d3jahrc.png

Didn't draw any of these :p

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Originally Posted by Eul

It's crafter's outfit (level 55 and 60)

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I know, I had one. I like the cowboy outfits they gave us for crafter gear though lol

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Originally Posted by Kurogaea

I know, I had one. I like the cowboy outfits they gave us for crafter gear though lol

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Ugh the cowboy outfit is such a fashion disaster though

I may be slightly biased because ALL I SEE when waiting for gathering nodes is a bunch of people in the HQ gear. No attempt to make themselves look unique (at least DYE THE SET come on). Like a bot farm almost. I know it isn't but it's just so sad.

While i don't really care how my healer armor looks (i actually like the eso ast body), it would be kinda nice if the holy breastplate made a return for healers :P for vanity purposes only of course. I mean the model is already in the game if i recall what the holy breastplate looked like (wootz crafted tank armor and drg lvl 54 crafted armor iirc).

Probably will never happen though. We can't be heavily armored! Etc etc.


http://ffxiclopedia.wikia.com/wiki/Holy_Breastplate

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Originally Posted by AskaRay

I may be slightly biased because ALL I SEE when waiting for gathering nodes is a bunch of people in the HQ gear. No attempt to make themselves look unique (at least DYE THE SET come on). Like a bot farm almost. I know it isn't but it's just so sad.

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LOL That's mostly true. But for myself while I DID glamour the hell out of my 50s prior to HW, I'm holding off right now due to other things taking precedence. xD Once I've seen what I look like in the new BiS DoH/L gear, MAYBE I'll glamour it then or like you said, dye it. :)

What about us who have girl characters that want them to dress them up like a girl?

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Originally Posted by mp-please

Just typed it out of habit, i stand corrected.
Your logic is flawed, it's literally impossible to tell the gender of a 27x18 pixel blob.
As a standalone i count the NES version as androgynous, not as a male or as female as there is nothing pointing out on a way or another, however the psp remake exists that points FFI sprite as female so that can't be ignored. It's not a spinoff work either so the character on the NES version are the same on the PSP version.

That however, doesn't apply to FFIII as the nds remake is completely different (character wise) to the NES counterpart.

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The FFIII sprite is male, the game confirms all 4 onion kids are boys. The design is clear the same as the NES FFI white mage, just facing slightly different. Therefore NES FFI white mage = Male. Remakes retconned him to female due later games, and fan perception of the sprite being tainted by 8 bit theater.


Also, you can't claim that the remakes and NES version of FFI are the same regardless of if you agree with my logic, it CAN be ignored.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

The FFIII sprite is male, the game confirms all 4 onion kids are boys.

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In the game's original Famicom Version the player controls four generic Light Warriors, four children without distinct identities, who, upon finding the Wind Crystal, are granted its power to save the world. Though their genders are never made note of, it is assumed all the children are male. Over the course of their journey, the Light Warriors are joined by several support characters who join the party, but do not actually fight; instead, they offer help on the World Map.

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http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_III

Yea, things that never happened.

All in all it doesn't matter. mages wear mostly robes. If people find that feminine, that's THEIR problem, and they'll have to live with it.

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Originally Posted by mp-please

http://finalfantasy.wikia.com/wiki/Final_Fantasy_III

Yea, things that never happened.

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Although the Onion Knights are not named in the Famicom Version, the manga serialization, Yuukyuu no Kaze Densetsu: Final Fantasy III Yori, names them Muuchi (ムウチ), Doug (ダグ), J. Bowie (J・ボウイ), and Melfi (メルフィ), the only female in the group. In the screenshots of the original game seen in the Dissidia Ultimania, the Onion Knights are given the names of the main characters from the remake.

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you could also have quoted this, as it gives a semi-official answer too.

I want a SMN/SCH gear like this:
http://i.imgur.com/u4yxUzY.jpg

and BLM gear like this:
http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f5...ina-orphen.jpg

cookie if you know who they are xD

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Originally Posted by Zumi

What about us who have girl characters that want them to dress them up like a girl?

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We've got plenty of options currently.. I don't see why it'd be a bad idea to go a few cycles of "Not robe". Last thing I would want though is for girls have to wear a feminine version while guys have to wear a masculine version of the same set, it's so dumb when this does happen outside of adding bras or whatever to sets that have the dude's chest exposed..

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Originally Posted by hagare

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this for BLM (yeah, he has a huge ass meteor limit break. That counts as BLM) :

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090201144445

and no cookie for me, the picture's url gave the answer :p

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

this for BLM (yeah, he has a huge ass meteor limit break. That counts as BLM) :

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090201144445

and no cookie for me, the picture's url gave the answer :p

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I'd pay cookies if they actually give us a head like that.

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Originally Posted by hagare

http://i45.photobucket.com/albums/f5...ina-orphen.jpg

cookie if you know who they are xD

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I know the girl is Lina Inverse but the guy, idk why but I want to say he's from the Orphen game on PS2.

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Originally Posted by Kuwagami

http://vignette3.wikia.nocookie.net/...20090201144445

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Oh I hated Strum from Advance Wars. Why did you bring up painful memories. ;_;

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Originally Posted by FallenArisen0990

I know the girl is Lina Inverse but the guy, idk why but I want to say he's from the Orphen game on PS2

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Ding ding ding *throws cookie*
That game was sad lols.

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Originally Posted by hagare

I want a SMN/SCH gear like this:
http://i.imgur.com/u4yxUzY.jpg

cookie if you know who they are xD

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Severe Valkyrie Profile flashbacks

I like skirts, they're comfy and easy to wear.

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Originally Posted by Jorge6029

I apologize if I sounded rude somehow, I truly appreciate the feedback. English is not my mother language. I am a very pro-inclusive guy, don't get me wrong :), again, thank you for your feedback

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sok I'm not offended just try to use ur words better. "Always" a fem product company has been putting it out there that the phrase "like a girl" has been too negative and used as an insult. Like a famous line from "the sand lot" "you throw a ball like a girl" meaning weakly and bad which in turn sorta means girls are weak. I'm all for more options, and looking at the Gatheing and crafting gear that can infact be used as mage glam. and early gear was labled "all classes" so there are "for now options" but agree more options is always welcome. :)

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

The FFIII sprite is male, the game confirms all 4 onion kids are boys. The design is clear the same as the NES FFI white mage, just facing slightly different. Therefore NES FFI white mage = Male. Remakes retconned him to female due later games, and fan perception of the sprite being tainted by 8 bit theater.


Also, you can't claim that the remakes and NES version of FFI are the same regardless of if you agree with my logic, it CAN be ignored.

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I've always thought the FF1 whm sprite to be female before the internet made 8 bit theatre.

Retcon or not though, it's female. End of story.

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Originally Posted by Lego3400

Remakes retconned him to female due later games, and fan perception of the sprite being improved by 8 bit theater.

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There we go.

I'd consider the original FF1 WHM to be Androgynous, and the PSP version is separate from the original, similar to how the DS version of FF3 is distinctly different as well.

But at the end of the day it doesn't matter much. Iunno, I wouldn't really take Yoshi's direct word about the matter too seriously. He started game development in the N64 era. He might have specifically asked what gender the FF1 WHM was, or it might have just been his perception on the matter.

Plus he capped out early with his magnum-opus of Bomberman 64: The Second Attack anyway, so we're really just on a downward spiral.

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Originally Posted by Azazua_azura

sok I'm not offended just try to use ur words better. "Always" a fem product company has been putting it out there that the phrase "like a girl" has been too negative and used as an insult.

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And they primarily made that commercial to help sell their feminine health products.

I wouldn't put too much weight behind that.
A.) It's almost universally said by young children. Children not being well known for their nuance and critical thinking skills. Girls probably make similar statements about boys acting out of their perceived gender as well.
B.) Our concept of gender isn't inherently damaging. How we react to people not conforming to it is. Simply noticing someone doesn't conform and pointing it out isn't necessarily bad.

I wouldn't mind more masculine healer gear if we also get more feminine tank gear! :D

Or here's a better idea: allow people to glamour everything onto everything (maybe sans the job-specific gear).

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Originally Posted by BunnyChain

I wouldn't mind more masculine healer gear if we also get more feminine tank gear! :D

Or here's a better idea: allow people to glamour everything onto everything (maybe sans the job-specific gear).

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More plate bikinis plz.

And I really wish the taffeta/coliseum top didn't have a hood.

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Originally Posted by CosmicKirby

A.) It's almost universally said by young children. Children not being well known for their nuance and critical thinking skills. Girls probably make similar statements about boys acting out of their perceived gender as well.
B.) Our concept of gender isn't inherently damaging. How we react to people not conforming to it is. Simply noticing someone doesn't conform and pointing it out isn't necessarily bad.

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A) Just look at stuff said during various team sports training. "Girls" is often used as a derogatory term. It's not limited to children, and children listen to how adults behave; they don't exist in a vacuum. And I've never heard a girl say things like, "Stop crying, you're not a boy, are you?"
And before you comment that crying isn't something boys do and girls don't... That's pretty much the problem. The 'perceived gender' behaviour is still founded on the notion that male is the ideal to strive for. Hence why it's not 'weird' when women crossdress, because pants are good. Suits are good. But whenever men crossdress, it's weird, or ugly, or 'gay', or otherwise 'wrong'.
B) It's damaging when it limits the behaviour of men or women out of fear that we'll be seen as weird (at best) or assaulted.

Not trying to come off as aggressive or anything, but it's a subject I feel fairly passionately about ^^;

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Originally Posted by Maero

There is glam options?
The Dreadwyrm gear looks pretty cool or maybe some of the PVp gear.

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Do you realise healing dreadwyrm gear looks like a shrine maiden lol

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Originally Posted by AltanRapsied

Do you realise healing dreadwyrm gear looks like a shrine maiden lol

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http://41.media.tumblr.com/4644f8a65...symo1_1280.png

http://g02.a.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1ibj3I...t-Any-Size.jpg

no, not really. (if at all)

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Originally Posted by AltanRapsied

Do you realise healing dreadwyrm gear looks like a shrine maiden lol

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Nope, yasha outfit for healer/caster is more like shrine maiden

I'm sorry, this is the FFXIV forums, is it not? This isn't the Red Pill Reddit sewer, right?

The level of insecurity is...not of this world.