Premades ruining the PvP experience

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

nerd words

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I didn't read any of that but large walls of text do this weird thing to me where whenever I see one, I gotta hunt whoever wrote it in seal rock for the next 4-6 days. Sorry in advance.

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Originally Posted by ChelsBee

I didn't read any of that but large walls of text do this weird thing to me where whenever I see one, I gotta hunt whoever wrote it in seal rock for the next 4-6 days. Sorry in advance.

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You will have to forgive me if I don't remember later on. Remembering insignificant threats isnt my strong point.

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Originally Posted by ChelsBee

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LMAO Chel, that's rude!

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

Even more stuff I never said

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My god what part of we farm you when:

1) You are in first place and we need to to win

or

2) In retaliation to being farmed when we aren't in first

Do you not understand?

Where did I say that guy started anything? The reason it happens is due to one of the above two reasons. Stop looking for reasons that don't exist. To imply that a whole GC cares about a couple people is narcissistic and ridiculous.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

I don't want to read what you posted.

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What part of "You have no proof of us initiating it all" do you not understand? Feel free to re-read what I posted again, if you'd like. Otherwise, just stop, lawl.

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Originally Posted by ChelsBee

I didn't read any of that but large walls of text do this weird thing to me where whenever I see one, I gotta hunt whoever wrote it in seal rock for the next 4-6 days. Sorry in advance.

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I don't think you'll find them though, too far deep behind their smn lines being a 2nd rate

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

You will have to forgive me if I don't remember later on. Remembering insignificant threats isnt my strong point.

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Ok so lets look at the facts:

1. I'm good, you're bad. Score 1 for me.
2. We're both lalas. This one's a tie.
3. You don't have hands. Sorry, can't fight me with no hands! 5 points for me.
4. I'm cuter

So this is 7-1 in my favor. Face it, you're buried already

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Originally Posted by TheWaywardWind

What part of "You have no proof of us initiating it all" do you not understand? Feel free to re-read what I posted again, if you'd like. Otherwise, just stop, lawl.

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As opposed to you having proof that we did? Go ahead and believe we collectively choose to focus you just "because" if it makes you feel better then. We ALL collectively woke up one day and said "Yeah lets just ignore adders all day and just attack flames for no other reason than just cause we feel like it." Your problem is you take the actions of a few, which occur in only a couple of instances, and just attribute it to the whole GC and think they all act that way. But yeah we may as well stop since this is going nowhere. Its impossible to reason with the ignorant anyway.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

As opposed to you having proof that we did? Go ahead and believe we collectively choose to focus you just "because" if it makes you feel better then. We ALL collectively woke up one day and said "Yeah lets just ignore adders all day and just attack flames for no other reason than just cause we feel like it." Your problem is you take the actions of a few, which occur in only a couple of instances, and just attribute it to the whole GC and think they all act that way. But yeah we may as well stop since this is going nowhere. Its impossible to reason with the ignorant anyway.

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Lmao, save me your passive-aggression. If you're going to back-up every point you make with weak anecdotal evidence and the make hypocritical claims left and right and then whine when someone points that out, just don't bother and save me the effort. "Ignorant" indeed.

Well that's pretty damn embarrassing lmao

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Originally Posted by ChelsBee

Well that's pretty damn embarrassing lmao

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But it's ONLY the Flames that go after kills, right? Surely it's just us. lel

I knew it was a good idea to buy vast amount of shares in the popcorn industry \o/

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Originally Posted by TriksteR

This is pretty cool, what is it?

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xivpvp.com

Don't worry the haters fuel us more :)

Also calling all of you out who don't have premades make one and gitgud

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Originally Posted by odysseusody

Also calling all of you out who don't have premades make one and gitgud

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Or step away from PvP to make some popcorn for the threads about long queue times, how the PvP community is dead and how SE really needs to do something about it.

It provides marginally worse entertainment for but a fraction of the effort.

mfw this thread
http://i.imgur.com/dSn1sb3.jpg

Should take it as a compliment people see you as a top tier PvP player

I also noticed how little damage was received. Lol. It's easy facing a bunch of noobs and going look at our numbers. You're so good.

MODS ARE HERE EVERYONE PANIC

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Originally Posted by Miyu20

I also noticed how little damage was received. Lol. It's easy facing a bunch of noobs and going look at our numbers. You're so good.

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Only it was a noob from that flame team who can't even average 4 kills a match on the easiest job in the game to get kills on (summoner) who originally posted that screenshot........ trying to brag about barely beating a premade as if it's never happened before >.>

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Only it was a noob from that flame team who can't even average 4 kills a match on the easiest job in the game to get kills on (summoner) who originally posted that screenshot........ trying to brag about barely beating a premade as if it's never happened before >.>

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Originally Posted by TsundereRemilia

though my standard for a SMN is higher than usual since I've seen much better..

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Nono Knives, that must be the standards we're looking for. We gotta strive for that. xD

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

Nono Knives, that must be the standards we're looking for. We gotta strive for that. xD

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I never see flames summoners top of the chats for kills or DMG only that one flame DRG who has a holner for kills not objectives.

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Originally Posted by Dimitrii

Only it was a noob from that flame team who can't even average 4 kills a match on the easiest job in the game to get kills on (summoner) who originally posted that screenshot....

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How the hell would you know that? Unless you are STALKING him (the same thing you complained that Tsundere was doing to you)? Hypocrite much? Also that is total bullshit btw, Alex is a great player. You are just buttmad because of your little spat last night.

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Originally Posted by odysseusody

I never see flames summoners top of the chats for kills or DMG only that one flame DRG who has a holner for kills not objectives.

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Meanwhile, Mael comes in with totally blatant lies and bullshit. Keep stroking your own egos guys, you will never live down the fact that you got FIFTY+ kills in an 8man and still lost to a bunch of flame pugs. No amount of "BOO HOO I D/Ced" will ever excuse that amount of total failure.

Mael doesn't play for kills/BH/BF?

http://cdn.makeagif.com/media/9-08-2015/vmE1P7.gif

Especially the ones in the screenshot.

It is insulting to the flames in that match to imply they only have a chance to beat our premade if they run a premade themselves. They conducted themselves well and managed to secure a win. That might be a strange feeling you're not used to.

Keep selecting the parts of the truth that serve you best and I'll keep winning. See you in Seal Rock if you aren't too busy debating the merits of my premade.

PvP is an enjoyable experience for me. Last night when my group won 12 matches in a row. Notice we didn't post 12 screenshots because we're in game enjoying ourselves instead of being salty.

Complaining on the forums doesn't make you a better player / make my team worse players. PvP doesn't stand for puss vs puss. If you don't like how we kill you over and over, consider playing better.

Instead of turning this forum into a daycare, why don't you invest your time in building your own premade so I can actually have a challenge when I que with my team.

This was entertaining

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Originally Posted by Zalestra

How the hell would you know that? Unless you are STALKING him (the same thing you complained that Tsundere was doing to you)? Hypocrite much? Also that is total bullshit btw, Alex is a great player. You are just buttmad because of your little spat last night.

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After you are done cheerleading for him go and ask your premade how I know that. Hint: Its the same reason several posts here were taken down by mods.
After you're done with that go find a dictionary so you may properly inform yourself of the characteristics of a stalker; cause if you are drawing comparisons between me taking 5 seconds to look something up with someone who:
- has already admitted on here to actively searching for me in lobbies (to the point where he accuses me of hiding behind phantom summoners no less)
- goes through the trouble of taking screenshots of killing me with a whm babysitting him in the same screenshot
- comically attempts to goad me on this forum into replying to or otherwise acknowledging him when I am very clearly ignoring him
then I am afraid to tell you you are pretty misinformed in its meaning.

I cannot remember the last time I've been in a match with your friend (much less killed or interacted with him in the lobby in any way) because I do not care to remember something so insignificant never mind keep track of what he is doing by "stalking" him. There are people who, when they do kill me, I do notice and he is not one of them.

This made my day

In response to all the crying on here improve get better

Also yes we did lose to a pug PvP group it happens. Just watch and wait see you all on the battlefield

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

Finally a Flame that speaks English. I really do feel bad for you guys sometimes cause of the lack of communication in you guys' team. You're a good SMN btw. ^^

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Thanks but I'm horrible haha I only tap 150k damage at best in a match (best flames SMN tap 300k+) and get usually 1-5th top damage in Flame which is truly sad :(

Great job on last month for hitting #1 weekly almost every week and monthly haha :)
I had to play 3 times as much as you just to compete :o That says enough about our communication and team work...

I don't get what most of the people here have to complain about when they can't even tap top 100 on the PVP ladder for Primal alone :confused:

15 wins people, 15 wins only, that's the standard for our Primal centre...

http://na.finalfantasyxiv.com/lodest...weekly/201552/

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Originally Posted by MihaelB

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Nah. The games I see you in you at least have kills and not 300k damage 2 kills. I have mad respect for SMNs that don't use bane over and over. I only played that much cause I really wanted 5k kills and I got it in like 2 months so I played A LOT. Starting to slow down now. A couple of Flames from Excal moved to Mael and we'd ask them how Flames was and they just said the chat is always dead silent. I feel so bad. ):

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Originally Posted by MihaelB

Thanks but I'm horrible haha I only tap 150k damage at best in a match (best flames SMN tap 300k+) and get usually 1-5th top damage in Flame which is truly sad :(

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It's not always just about who's doing the most damage or getting the most kills, though. I often see you trying to organize people, making calls, and generally trying to get those around us to try to do sensible things during matches. You're one of the few players I've seen that will change to DPS, tank or healer depending on the party's composition, and you try your best every match, which is more than I can say for a lot of PUG Flame players.

To those few Mael Excal players that are challenging Flame PUG'ers to improve: There's really not much many of us can do when pitted against a full premade, at least in a 24 man match. You can play your absolute best and still get shelled -- there's only so much you can do as an individual, particularly when teammates ignore calls, split up, etc. There's often also at least a few players present on our teams with <100 total matches under their belts.

At least on my server, also, there's barely enough active Flames to even fill a single party, and most of us don't play during the same hours of the day; at least not consistently enough to group up. Organizing a premade that could challenge Excal's isn't really a realistic option for many of us.

That said, I don't necessarily think that winning against a premade is brag-worthy (since there are so many variables that can determine the outcome of a match), but it is definitely satisfying on the rare occasion that you get to be a part of it. I also wouldn't use a PUG win to disparage a premade -- stuff happens, and you can't win every match -- but with premaders having such a significant advantage over PUG'ers, it's hard not to feel like it's David vs. Goliath, at least in 24 man matches. It's understandably fulfilling to nab a victory over a premade as a group of randoms, and like someone else mentioned, you should view it as a compliment to your group's prowess that people are so thrilled when they defy the odds and pull off a win.

Anyway, I'm rambling, but hopefully the recent apparent Mael/Flame feud will cool off soon and we can get back to focusing on what's truly important: messing with Adders. :p

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Originally Posted by Graci

It's not always just about who's doing the most damage or getting the most kills, though. I often see you trying to organize people, making calls, and generally trying to get those around us to try to do sensible things during matches. You're one of the few players I've seen that will change to DPS, tank or healer depending on the party's composition, and you try your best every match, which is more than I can say for a lot of PUG Flame players.

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Thanks haha and that's the thing, if you think of each person on a team as different pieces of the game. There will be damage breakers, the people who can change the flow of the game via pure damage and mechanical power. The commanders, who direct and change the flow of the game through commands, average players who excel at nothing but can do their job well enough to not cause a fall back and detrimental players who ultimately provide nothing but negativity for the game.

A PUG cannot ascertain value of each individual and draw out their value as player whilst premades understand who in their group does what and draws strength from their capability. Premades will also interact with another player due to server alliance and can communicate/ offer advice on how to improve their gameplay or tailor it to suit their group after every match.

I say alleviate our PVP experience and capability of our overall PVP experience instead of these floating fish PUG groups that are entertaining as playing tetris and hoping good pieces fall onto your lap.

I love playing in the night Lamia games with your group despite not being premade because I know you guys excel at what you do and understand the strength of most players in our queue times which allows us to perform at our optimal best :)

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Adders are improving and I'm looking forward to the day where our Grand Companies have a 33.3% winrate average where each game actually requires us to try our best to actually win instead of a 2 company vs 1 sabotage it currently is :)

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Originally Posted by Graci

To those few Mael Excal players that are challenging Flame PUG'ers to improve

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I'm not challenging anyone, I have no problems with Flames like you. If it came across that I was saying Flames PuGs are terrible, I didn't mean it like that. I've heard all the horror stories from ex Flames friends don't worry. I didn't actually start anything in this thread and I randomly get badmouthed at by 3 Flames one after another. PuGs are fine, PuGs can beat premades yes. It's not just because they have a premade that they win. You are one of the few Flames names that I actually remember/bother to remember. You are a great healer.

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Originally Posted by MihaelB

Adders are improving and I'm looking forward to the day where our Grand Companies have a 33.3% winrate average where each game actually requires us to try our best to actually win instead of a 2 company vs 1 sabotage it currently is :)

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No pls my winrate. ):

But really, yea I hope that eventually people will actually learn to read the map and know when to back off rather than just constantly pushing and pushing.

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Originally Posted by MihaelB

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Great post, I agree completely. And thanks! We don't get to meet up that often lately, but even having a few capable players like you helps a ton in those 24's! We probably won't be able to stand up to large premades, but we can match up well against other PUGs, at least. Lamia definitely isn't the best of servers to play on if you're a Flame, so it's cool when Aria (or Charry) and I get to team up with you -- it's about as close as our server can get to a Flames "premade", lol.

Oh, and you're right about Adders, too, they've been winning a lot more lately and rolling out multiple Battle Highs/Fevers in some matches. Mael has consistently been the most successful GC on Primal since I've been playing, with Flames and Adders having their spurts of proficiency. Hopefully you're right and someday all 3 will be pretty evenly matched and stay that way!

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Originally Posted by Chaelyn

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Oh, no worries! I wasn't referring to you at all with my post, so I apologize if it came off that way. And you're right, even when you guys aren't queuing together, you're super formidable. I've seen your NIN, MCH and BLM dominate even when you're grouped with PUGs, and as deadly as the Excal SMNs are, I'm often on my heels more when you're in the front on your NIN, lol. You're super pesky on AST, too!

And thanks, I appreciate it! I can always tell when you guys are in the same match, I'm on my toes pretty much the whole time, haha. ><

The drama ended? How boring.

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Originally Posted by Postcards

The drama ended? How boring.

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How that game where guys thought you'd win like 10 mins ago? ;)

These foos were just sitting in the cave and I'm spamming, "go go go, ignore adder, and attack flames."

You guys have sweet premises with Bryn and ultros, not sure why premades are causing drama