Optional item request: Legacy Goobue mount

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Originally Posted by Gramul

Do you actually mean that?

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I mean it more than I ever meant anything on these forums. You played a game, good job, pat on the back. You pay a substantially less amount of money per month than non legacy people. If you really need tons of virtual pixels to keep patting yourself for playing a old game then I dunno man.

I actually see Titor's point, but my point is that if they start rolling back promises of exclusivity then who's to say Legacy's promised reduced subscription isn't revokable as well.

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Originally Posted by squidbunny

I actually see Titor's point, but my point is that if they start rolling back promises of exclusivity then who's to say Legacy's promised reduced subscription isn't revokable as well.

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I think losing the reduced subscription is an unreasonable fear, although it remaining exclusive to Legacy players is another story. It's fairly common for developers to decide that exclusive means "for an undisclosed period of time" rather than forever.

And the natural extension of your point is that all seasonal event rewards should never be available to those who join the game post-event, because they were late to the party and you weren't. Special snowflake needs trumps access to allowing everyone to have access to fun stuff and all that, after all. :rolleyes: We should think of this as less like a game for entertainment and more as a serious competition between the haves and have-nots. :P

Hypothetical question: what will you say if one day SE offers that same reduced subscription pricing to players as Veteran's reward (without allowing it to stack with the existing pricing bonus Legacy players are already receiving), essentially broadening the number of players eligible for it?

Or, what if one day they choose to reduce the subscription price of this game to $9.99 a month, or offer a 1 year subscription option at $9.99 per month, or simply make the game free to play? Would that just be the last straw if other players were enjoying the same discount as you? You simply have to be receiving a better deal despite the reduced cost you enjoyed since the relaunch?

Just curious.

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Originally Posted by Gyson

And the natural extension of your point is that all seasonal event rewards should never be available to those who join the game post-event, because they were late to the party and you weren't. Special snowflake needs trumps access to allowing everyone to have access to fun stuff and all that, after all. :rolleyes: We should think of this as less like a game for entertainment and more as a serious competition between the haves and have-nots. :P

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Well minus the serious competition bit I agree with your extrapolated extension of my point; I don't see anything wrong with being locked out of seasonal event items I missed (there are lots; most are available in the cash shop and I'm not buying them but that's beside the point.)

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Originally Posted by Gyson

Hypothetical question: what will you say if one day SE offers that same reduced subscription pricing to players as Veteran's reward (without allowing it to stack with the existing pricing bonus Legacy players are already receiving), essentially broadening the number of players eligible for it?

Or, what if one day they choose to reduce the subscription price of this game to $9.99 a month, or offer a 1 year subscription option at $9.99 per month, or simply make the game free to play? Would that just be the last straw if other players were enjoying the same discount as you? You simply have to be receiving a better deal despite the reduced cost you enjoyed since the relaunch?

Just curious.

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My personal kneejerk is I wouldn't mind the reduced subscription eventually showing up as a Veteran reward, and obviously if the whole mess went FTP it'd stop being relevant, but if the general subscription dropped I think they ought to drop Legacy rates along with it (along with the rates of your proposed reduced-rates Veterans) per their promises. I doubt I'd quit playing if they didn't, but it might depend on my relationship with the game at that hypothetical point. It's less about me being special and/or getting a superior deal, and more about standing by pledges explicitly made.

Nowhere did I say I had to be receiving a better deal?

Edit: Unrelated to your weirdly hostile tenor, Gyson, legit thanks for reminding me about editing to skirt the char limit. I haven't been active on here in awhile.

I am Legacy and I have the mount on my Naraku Diabolos character. HOWEVER, they need to make it that if you have the mount on your 1.0 character, it goes across all of your characters. Same with my Hermes Shoes on my 1.0 character.

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Originally Posted by Titor

I mean it more than I ever meant anything on these forums. You played a game, good job, pat on the back. You pay a substantially less amount of money per month than non legacy people. If you really need tons of virtual pixels to keep patting yourself for playing a old game then I dunno man.

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So why exactly do you want it so bad if it's just a ton of virtual pixels?

You had every opportunity I had to become a legacy member. To get the discount, to get the Legacy stuff. They gave plenty of warning beforehand. Even a welcome back campaign.
I missed out on the Horn and the White Ravens, but I'm not going to be envious about it. It's just something I missed from 1.0. And the people who got them aren't greedy. They just took the opportunity when it arrived.

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Originally Posted by Gramul

You had every opportunity I had to become a legacy member

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Not really, I was not an avid SE follower at the time, and I never saw an advertisement for it on my general internet venues/TV/anywhere else. I was not even aware SE had MMO's until 2.0 when I joined. Is that my fault? Maybe, but I was looking around for MMOs around the time of 1.0, and have tried many different once, but honestly never saw anything that even hinted it existed. Pretty sure I have played most other MMOs of the time, so I feel like there is not much more I could have done to find it at the time.

As a supporter and player of the game now, it would be nice to have equal ground in terms of in-game items or mount collecting for an opportunity I never had.

I remember the page saying that those who qualified for Legacy status saying that those with Legacy status would keep the reduced fee for the life of the game. I don't recall them ever saying that it would remain exclusive to Legacy players. the chocobo mount on the other hand they did specificaly say would remain exclusive.
the goobbue mount on the other hand was a limited time mount that they promised they would never do again.
I remember being upset about this because I missed the oppertunity by about 2 weeks.
I do not think they should redo it or add a new way to get it. adding a mount like it is fine.
personally I think both of the goobbue mounts are ugly so I'll be skipping over the one I can get.
it was a promise made and I for one would like to see them keep as many promises as possible.

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Originally Posted by myahele

Looking at this thread, i have to say that Legacy players are some of the most entitled players I've seen in any game. Yes, you've stuck around in failing game are are already being rewarded for it. But must they bash people for requesting 1.0 items?

They only pay less than $10/month for subscribing to 1.0 for at least 90 days and they talk about "privileges"

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If we're resorting to slinging mud, that's actually my opinion of the more vocal opponents of Legacy Membership.

We were given a promise an offer made uniquely to a specific time period. Both people who saw an opportunity to capitalize on it, and those who were supporting the game from the start, paid their dues in a time of weakness for the game and the company and now reap the benefits of that. Those who were uninformed or those who elected not to, missed out.

Jealousy of that cold hard fact, in my opinion, is not a becoming demeanor.

Perhaps in the future it may behoove you to pay attention to gaming media at large -

Kotaku - Square Enix Really, Really Wants You To Play Final Fantasy XIV

IGN - FINAL FANTASY XIV: 'WELCOME BACK'
Share. New campaigns reward returning players and current subscribers.

Gamebreaker TV - FFXIV Legacy Campaign Starts

Curse - Final Fantasy XIV: Legacy and Welcome Back Campaigns Announced!


Being envious or counteractive of an announced-public special for the game that ran for multiple months because you elected not to or were not informed, and calling those people entitled - is like being accusatory of someone who purchased a $60 game with bonuses on a Summer Steam Sale.

No Sympathy.

I've been playing this game since Alpha (March, 2010). Heck my forum member number is 134... I would only say no to this simply because I put my time and effort in getting as much of the exclusive items as I could. I'd like to keep what little I have from 1.0. There should be exclusive items in all versions of the game that you just can't get again, even 3.0 should have something because it's a reward for those players who've played and stuck with the game.

Really at the end of the day I want the company to stand by what it says.

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Originally Posted by Icehunter

I've been playing this game since Alpha (March, 2010). Heck my forum member number is 134... I would only say no to this simply because I put my time and effort in getting as much of the exclusive items as I could. I'd like to keep what little I have from 1.0. There should be exclusive items in all versions of the game that you just can't get again, even 3.0 should have something because it's a reward for those players who've played and stuck with the game.

Really at the end of the day I want the company to stand by what it says.

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When it comes to video games, "exclusive" has (for better or worse) come to mean "this is the only way to get this item at this particular moment". All across gaming, we've seen it with exclusive CE rewards, veteran rewards, DLC that eventually goes free, etc. Anyone who is expecting otherwise is setting themselves up for disappointment.

I've seen developers go as far as making statements like "..this item will never be available again outside this offer so long as I'm lead on this project..", which even then is only a guarantee until that particular developer moves on and another lead with different ideas takes their place. Very little remains exclusive forever, especially if it wasn't paid for through a micro-transaction.

Says that the the Legacy Campaign stuff will remain exclusive, never anything about other 1.0 items

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Originally Posted by myahele

Says that the the Legacy Campaign stuff will remain exclusive, never anything about other 1.0 items

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Asuran Armguard (FF XIII promotion code item) remain also exclusive. And all the dated gears.

Hermes Shoes were also 1.0 exclusive too (could only gain them by having a concurrent FFXI account as well as a FFXIV 1.0 account and linking them together). Onion Helm and Garlond Goggles were bonus items vouchers that as far as I understand are still available to be redeemed, as long as you can track down an unused code (which is becoming increasingly difficult to find).