Another Upset Summoner

I won't be excited about Bahamut and Akh Morn until I see it in game. As has been said prior it's a great concept, a great idea, but if all it does is pretty lights and mediocre damage on a long cool down then it's not worth it. I mean, Endkindle is a great ability, it does a lot of damage and is nice, but it has the longest recast time of any ability in FFXIV right now. So it would be easy to get just as excited about Enkindle by reading the tool tip and watching a video, that doesn't mean it's actually going to do much in the long run. One of the things I wanted to see in the xpac was a reduction on Enkindle's timer because having to wait 5 min when wiping on progression is ridiculous.

So, excuse me if I don't get giddy with excitement over Akh Morn yet, all we saw was literally the animation we have zero idea of the damage it does or the cd on it, but hey, pretty white light, we should be happy and not be upset about all the other shortcomings SMN has right now. I guess we should quit complaining because white lights are shiny.

I rarely post in the forums (I'd rather play the game than listen to people QQ) but as a SMN main I wanted to throw my two cents in.


If any one class was to feel upset/disappointed it should be Disciples of Land and then DoH. I don't understand why there isn't more upset players about SE making DoH classes playable only by rich players and encouraging RMT, but that's a discussion for another thread. That said, IMO most of the disappointment comes from feeling mislead by the devs. A lot of players were led to believe that we'll have a new egi at the expansion with comments like "we can't give Summoner a Egi because it would be unfair, please wait till the expansion" and "when we raise the level cap". It's not a game patch it's a whole expansion we have to buy (and not cheaply either) so a new egi is not an unreasonable thing to expect.

I'm more disappointed in how little the devs seem to care about the Summoner class in general. They couldn't be bothered to give us a vanity weapon in the Golden Saucer and they need to stop putting spell speed on our gear. They also need to remove the damage shield from Ifrit and replace it with a ability that is actually useful. MOST importantly they need to make Titan into a DPS pet instead of a tank. Titan-Egi is only good for the lulz and in any dungeon or endgame content he is even more useless than Tri-Bind.

Lastly, I agree with what Kuponutz said. I don't know why people are circle jerking over a spell that we have no information on. Because it's Bahamut? Because it has a fancy particle effect?
"While under the effect of this ability, you’ll be able to gain stacks of Bahamut Aether" We don't even know how many stacks we'll need, if they have a timer, or even what we need to do to gain them. Will we be restricted from using Aetherflow at the same time?

Yea but similarly to the people all happy about ahk morn, you seem to be pooping on it with no evidence that it will suck.

It is an aesthetically pleasing spell, having bahamut aether will change our rotation up, and so we'll have to see whether it'll be more interesting or not.

I'm leaning towards the former.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Yea but similarly to the people all happy about ahk morn, you seem to be pooping on it with no evidence that it will suck.

It is an aesthetically pleasing spell, having bahamut aether will change our rotation up, and so we'll have to see whether it'll be more interesting or not.

I'm leaning towards the former.

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I swear people see the stupid light show and did not even listen to anything else and just rampantly defend and go nuts for it. Oh you know that trademark ability of Bahamut that any Final Fantasy fan should recognize..oh wait thats Mega Flare...... WTF is ahk morn? Oh that spell that only 1% of the population has seen, oh okay iam so happy iam getting that

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?

Just because you think it looks stupid doesn't mean all people do.

Furthermore why do you think it means that megaflare doesn't exist?

Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?

I was hoping it too... or even a new pet with his own special action to make it unique or something.

People gonna be mad even if we get Mega Flare as SMN LB

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?

Just because you think it looks stupid doesn't mean all people do.

Furthermore why do you think it means that megaflare doesn't exist?

Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?

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My point is that people see this one thing and have thrown out all of our wants and needs as a class because were getting Druid's moonfire from Warcraft, they learn that at level 10

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Its a cool looking ability...? Whats wrong with a cool looking ability?
Why are you hating on an ability that you've only just seen?

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Because we have a lot "cool looking' abilities on SMN now. Just because it looks pretty doesn't mean it does squat for damage or utility. No one is hating on it, we're just not passing judgement based on the cool name and pretty animation. As I said above it has potential, but considering how SMN has been treated by devs in the past year (see Akeda's comments) was it really too much to ask to have the egis we were promised and to have them fix the job a little bit. Heck even giving us our own gear, or make it where if we use food (mainly acc food) affect our pets would have been something, this is a joke. Why is it that every single other class can use acc food to meet requirements, yet we have one requirement for us, and another for our pet. You can't give us gear that meets BLM needs but then demand more accuracy for SMN with shared gear pool.

This is just the final nail in the coffin. They could have done so much with SMN and it's basically us getting walked all over once again, silly us for thinking they would actually deliver this time.

If I could have a SMN wishlist it would look something like this, in no particular order.

1. New egis we were promised.
2. Reduce CD timer on Enkindle to 3 min, or have it reset when there is a wipe.
2. Separate gear for SMN and BLM.
3. Allow food to affect pets OR either lower the acc requirements for pets or give us more acc gear.
4. Balance egis so they all have a purpose in endgame, party content.
5. Change Bane back to hitting all mobs in same area.

I don't feel like any of these are asking too much, SMN needs an overhaul and these, among other things, could help. I can see ppl saying the Bane one might be OP but until you have to dot 2-3 other adds and then Bane off them to hit the rest of the targets you have no idea what a pain this is. Obv egis aren't going to happen but I put it up there anyway.
Changing Enkindle to 3 mins would make it same as Perfect Balance for MNKs. There is no reason one should have a longer CD than the other.
At this point I am pretty sure we're not likely to get any of these things either in xpac, or ever, but I think they should be considered.

Pretty much all this^

But hey! Shiny beam of light thats a 1 second animation, that makes EVERYTHING ELSE INFERIOR, all hail the moonfire master race. I can see it now, people must be lining up by the numbers to become Summoners, this super amazing ability who needs anything else

Also the Bane thing would not be OP, has anyone here actually played a BLM and used Fire 2 then double flare? you tell me whats op after that

I actually doubt that people relating ahk morn to moonfire have felt ahk morn's power in t13.

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Originally Posted by Galand

I swear people see the stupid light show and did not even listen to anything else and just rampantly defend and go nuts for it. Oh you know that trademark ability of Bahamut that any Final Fantasy fan should recognize..oh wait thats Mega Flare...... WTF is ahk morn? Oh that spell that only 1% of the population has seen, oh okay iam so happy iam getting that

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That's easy. Ahk Morn was something new for Bahamut specifically for this game. If you've fought against him, you know it's a crazy light show of doom and honestly it's pretty bad ass. If you've tanked it, it's a lot of 'oh shit' moments back to back. If we can get any of that experience and turn it onto our enemies, it will wreck face. The various 'Flares' are cool and are possibly included in SMN somewhere, but honestly I think the dev team did a great job designing Ahk Morn and I think it's the right choice to add to SMN for this game. BLM already has Flare, I don't personally want to have an ability that can be compared to Flare because someone will get hurt feelings and honestly that means both jobs lose.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

That's easy. Ahk Morn was something new for Bahamut specifically for this game. If you've fought against him, you know it's a crazy light show of doom and honestly it's pretty bad ass. If you've tanked it, it's a lot of 'oh shit' moments back to back. If we can get any of that experience and turn it onto our enemies, it will wreck face. The various 'Flares' are cool and are possibly included in SMN somewhere, but honestly I think the dev team did a great job designing Ahk Morn and I think it's the right choice to add to SMN for this game. BLM already has Flare, I don't personally want to have an ability that can be compared to Flare because someone will get hurt feelings and honestly that means both jobs lose.

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Funny thing about this is when watching the video...Even though it LOOKS like Ahk Morn, it doesn't FEEL like Ahk Morn. This is something I'm hardly pleased with and I don't get why others are. To me it's just an empty replica of white light.

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Originally Posted by ManaKing

BLM already has Flare, I don't personally want to have an ability that can be compared to Flare because someone will get hurt feelings and honestly that means both jobs lose.

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Yup, I think that's the 'Flare' line of spells are pretty much reserved for BLM at this point. Giving Mega/Tera/Whatever-Flare to SMN would be too much of a blurring between the two jobs. If any more Flares make it into the game as job skills, they'll be given to BLM.

This way we're more unique with regards to the other jobs (except SCH which we share our base class with ofc).

Anyone remember when Titan's Table Flip was the OMG moment? What about dive bomb?

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Originally Posted by Galand

Also the Bane thing would not be OP, has anyone here actually played a BLM and used Fire 2 then double flare? you tell me whats op after that

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I don't think you want to go there. You're opening a can of worms you may wish you hadn't.

Of course, you're 100% right, though.

I'm not really bummed about it. I know we're called Summoner, but I just don't think adding new egis will really do much for us. As to them "promising" new egis, their attitudes and ideas just change over time so it's really just wiser to take it with a "Believe it when I see it." attitude. I'm really just going to save my pitchfork for the 3.0 patchnotes, when we can get a list of what's really gonna happen.


As for Bahamut, I kind of like the fact that Elder Primals do something entirely different to the Summoner than your normal primal. Wonder how that's going to be explained though, can't help but think it'll involve that dungeon that looked like it belonged in FCoB.

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Originally Posted by Kuponutz

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1. They did not promise, they said they will look into it, this goes both ways and in this case it went in the case of not getting any new ones.
2. This I can agree on.
3. I disagree, I believe in gear competition otherwise people get complacent, this is just being greedy.
4. I dont agree with food affecting pets, this becomes messy due to balancing.
5. They are balanced, only titan can not be used in normal circumstances, Garuda is good on target switching and ifrit is best on straight single target dps where it never needs to swap targets.
6. This is too powerful, not to mention you can just dot up the remaining mobs.

Why do you want more pets, what would the other pets do?

I do not believe classes must have actions for the sake or RP or straight up vanity, they must have a function and the balance is based around end game or grouped content.

Just to let you know, there has been a cry from people they wanted to see caster LB 3 animation to be reduced as the flash pretty much takes over the screen, though I personally can manage just fine, so having more flashy spells is a no go, especially on titan type fights, I had complaints thrown at me using LB 3 on Titan ex though it was nicely timed :P.

Having huge pets running around at end game, what do you want to do, cover the whole boss up?, this is a nightmare for tanks and those in melee, ones at range, depending on mechanics and the size of the room this will wreck havoc for the telegraphed skills from bosses.

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Originally Posted by Trespar

I don't think you want to go there. You're opening a can of worms you may wish you hadn't.

Of course, you're 100% right, though.

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Double flare has a CD and can only be used once every now and then, bane can be used upto 6 times, thats constant dots up and is far more efficient then fire 2 + flare over targets that have high health.

ikr? SMNs should get actual summonerlike smmoning garuda ex to do full damage and lots of aoe so i can be top dps without doing anything but ruin II!

But in all seriousness, they showed 5 skills and only covered what two of them do and yet all anybody can do is cry about pets. What else could they do with pets that would radically change summoner? Release a new pet that's better at AoE than garuda and better at single target than ifrit? Then what? Make it completely pointless to use any other pet? Buffing the pets to the point where the summoner needs nerfing? Changing the class from the ground up to cater to the people who want more flashy aoe super burst DPS?

I don't see what else SE can add to SMN pets at this point that wouldn't require re-building the entire class or being completely pointless.

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Originally Posted by Natsuno

Yup, I think that's the 'Flare' line of spells are pretty much reserved for BLM at this point. Giving Mega/Tera/Whatever-Flare to SMN would be too much of a blurring between the two jobs. If any more Flares make it into the game as job skills, they'll be given to BLM.

This way we're more unique with regards to the other jobs (except SCH which we share our base class with ofc).

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Flare is just a normal Black Magic Spell. I don't see any issue with SMN ever getting more Bahamut Skills.

Tera Flare is Bahamut's signature skill so giving it to Summoner under Dreadwyrm trance is not an issue.

I hope SE reduce the cool down of Enkindle to 60s since it's base damage is lower than Flare and around that of Fire III or astral 3 Fire.

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Originally Posted by raelgun

Double flare has a CD and can only be used once every now and then, bane can be used upto 6 times, thats constant dots up and is far more efficient then fire 2 + flare over targets that have high health.

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There is no CD on Flare, while it would be poor form you could Flare > Convert > Flare > Transpose > Flare > Ether > Flare > Transpose > Flare. Before I get hate mail from BLM I am not suggesting this rotation, this is just for illustration purposes to try to show that there is no CD on Flare and that it can certainly be used more than "once every now and then". Ill-advised, yes, impossible, no.

Rael, if you check out page 3 Dyvid was kind enough to link the interview. Main point:
"but in the future you'll be able to summon a certain old man and a sister clothed in ice who's also quite cute".

To me that is him saying that we will be able to summon other egis, it's not like he's being vague or just hinting at it. He flat out says we're getting them. He beat around the bush with alluding to Ramuh and Shiva but he absolutely said we are egis of some form.

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Originally Posted by Kuponutz

Rael, if you check out page 3 Dyvid was kind enough to link the interview. Main point: "but in the future you'll be able to summon a certain old man and a sister clothed in ice who's also quite cute".

To me that is him saying that we will be able to summon other egis, it's not like he's being vague or just hinting at it. He flat out says we're getting them. He beat around the bush with alluding to Ramuh and Shiva but he absolutely said we are egis of some form.

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--Are those summons coming next, or will Leviathan?
Y: Leviathan, hmm... I'm not sure whether Ramuh or Leviathan will come first (laughs). I think it'll happen when the level cap is raised, so I really can't say yet.

He says he thinks it'll happen, he never says it will. so no he didnt promise

I think what they showed in expansion was the best move they could have done with the direction of the class.

I very much agree that adding new pets makes no sense atm for this iteration of summoner. Again what is the point? I don't really care what they claimed would come because I have the common sense to know, things and plans change as the game progresses. To see people surprised they won't be giving egis right away especially after the swift changes that came to housing regardless of previous statements, to me shows people aren't really paying attention to the development process at all. Furthermore, they said we won't get new egis at this time, but that didn't mean never.

People keep saying add more pets and then in the same breath asking to give every pet a reason to be used? Please elaborate on how do you balance this correctly.
There will always be one pet that will come out on top of all the rest anyway. So why are we simply adding bloat to the class that in the end is gonna be a waste of development which gives rarely any benefit? Currently we have Ifrit surpassing Garuda in almost every situation even some AoE based ones where she is supposed to be good in. It's so bad at this point that you can use Ifrit in almost all scenarios even the ones Garuda is better and you would still see very little difference in damage. Ifrit has nearly invalidated Garuda entirely and this is only with three pets in play. The only way to get around this issue of the go- to pet, is if they were to allow us to use two pets at a time.

So now let's look at a few things:
There are some nuances of the class that should be tweaked.

Food hands down should affect pets, and if not from secondary stats AT LEAST ACC should be transferred. If we are gonna be subject to the same gear as other casting classes then we should both be using the same ACC. So either BLM should have to meet SMN ACC or SMN ACC should be lowered to match BLM. Works like this with melee or BRD currently yet SMN seems to be the only class being punished by this extra requirement.

The class needed some sort of better Burst tool. Sure you could use some things like ED and Ruin II combos but that wasn't exactly great. Although we don't know the entire picture just yet, perhaps this Tri-Disaster or Ahk Morn ability is essentially this "burst" option. We don't know entirely yet.

Pet AI: Needs cleaning up. Especially the times when Garuda or Ifrit refuse to use an ability for whatever reason. Also needs to fix the fact when pets decide to stop doing anything after an add dies sometimes.

Enkindle: This definitely needs to be lowered CD wise. 5mins is far too long for the amount of damage it does. We can fire off 3 Festers per min that will do the same or more damage then this ability. Please explain why this is still 5 mins.

Outside of those things, to be straight up, the SMN community as a whole and others who try to ask for certain buffs to the class, don't even play it to its full potential most of the time. So often enough, I see all this "advice" to help the classes performance, and meanwhile I'm sitting here thinking like, "I'm sure no ones thinking how crazy things can get unbalanced easily with SMN". Would I personally want to do more damage, sure because to me it doesn't make too much sense that BLMs do superior AoE and have a higher damage cap on single target but I also want it to be balanced with BLM alil because as soon as SMN has a high single target damage cap, it can very easily transfer over to doing more AoE damage due to Bane.

Both casters need to be valid for use. Overall though, everyone that seems to be complaining have no idea, what aspects will change about the class as we do not know everything yet. I main SMN throughly, and it even offends me that I feel like I'm part of a community of crybabies. Every other job community seems to be progressive in improving while SMNs just seem to whine and moan without even trying to compete against the other classes.

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Originally Posted by AzureZenorag13

--Are those summons coming next, or will Leviathan?
Y: Leviathan, hmm... I'm not sure whether Ramuh or Leviathan will come first (laughs). I think it'll happen when the level cap is raised, so I really can't say yet.

He says he thinks it'll happen, he never says it will. so no he didnt promise

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He said he he will think about which ones to give us when the level cap is raised, not that he's thinking about giving us egis period. The sentence right before that he said we were and hinted at the primal. The line you copied if in response to whether he'll do Levi first or not.

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Originally Posted by Kuponutz

He said he he will think about which ones to give us when the level cap is raised, not that he's thinking about giving us egis period. The sentence right before that he said we were and hinted at the primal. The line you copied if in response to whether he'll do Levi first or not.

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ya he's not sure if ramuh or levi will come first, and he thinks it'll happen when level cap is raised, implying that he doesnt know which will be released first if it is even released

I agree with almost everything you said Haven. Obviously the food thing and the Enkindle issue I had mentioned earlier but also the balancing to an extent. Of course there would need to be balancing to have the new pets put in but I think for a lot of us we thought this would be the time. I for one certainly didn't think we would get new pets and they would be able to put them in and not have to make adjustments. Early on in thread we discussed that the Elemental Wheel issue as the biggest roadblock here. But again, roadblock or none we thought the expansion would address this in addition to giving us new pets with new abilities. The disappointment happens when promised one thing and not really directly addressing it. I'm not saying they're not fixing it at all just that on Thurs we really needed to hear something constructive about some improvements that were coming and instead we were given a short clip of pretty lights and over-hyped ability names. It felt like the equivalent of a 5 yr old waiting for Xmas to come then when it does he gets a lump of coal, named "chocolate" and is supposed to be happy about said coal because it has a name that sounds like it would be good. There was nothing constructive offered and no acknowledgement of the SMN situation beyond "yea Tri-Disaster sucks we'll rename it and you give you a real one".

I swear if you had asked me a week ago what my biggest concerns were as a SMN Tri-Disaster was the last thing on my list. Although that could be because I haven't used in forever.

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Originally Posted by Kuponutz

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All I'm saying, it's too soon to judge what we have and don't have. Half of your suggestions for example could be a simple part of patch notes that are guaranteed to hit every classes current skills. All they showed in that video in general for all classes was what was being added to the class. Fairly sure they they didn't even comment on how any of the classes current abilities would be changing. Not to mention we also don't know all of the affects of the new abilities and/or traits being added. Several things may very well change for the better but meanwhile everyone is going bananas now when we don't even know everything and even if this was everything, we still again don't know how much this changes the balance of power.

The Pets, perhaps a promise broken for now with the new Egis, but I refuse to believe the correct idea was to add more Pets when the current system has incredible flaws that need adjusting. Before we add more Pets let's fix the current issues we have with the ones available, after which we then fix the problem of the go-to pet. No one is saying more Egi's wont come just not at this time. Even if more didn't come, it's not a terrible idea to think that maybe just maybe they can expand on what we currently have ability wise of Pets and this may actually become a interactive class + SMN abilities.

Let's get rid of what everyone's ideal version of the FFXIV Summoner should be, because everyone is thinking differently there. Instead work on what we currently have and strengthen some of the current aspects of the class that are lacking. For now, I think they took one thing into consideration of SMN in 3.0. The cooldown period you have every 30 seconds until you get another set of Aetherflow stacks, which is big because that's where the main loss of DPS comes from. Their answer to that is Bahamut Trance which to me feels like an interesting new way of connecting summoners to the summons / primals. They could further expand on this side later on as an option while also working on new egis to become a summoner / evoker (channeler) combo. Who knows what else they could do. Another rather common complaint about SMN was that it was boring to look at when playing because it didn't have many flashy abilities at all so people weren't enticed by it. Two birds with one stone with this Trance ability. One step at a time I say.

The biggest thing I want from the class, is perhaps to streamline it alil. It's a very complex class to grasp and imo, too complex. The hardest part of it is maximization and many SMNs currently aren't capable of doing that because to me, it doesn't articulate well everything you need to do to get there. Just too much work to play the class correctly, and that to me, needs to be worked on the most. If anything I'm surprised people aren't up in arms that they may in fact be making it more complex with some of the current stuff we know being added. If people can't easily decipher how to play the class correctly, then to me that's just leading to further people abandoning the class because it's seeming more and more incapable of doing well when people consistently pull bad numbers but then you have a slightly simpler system in BLM.

We already have 2 type of attack pets. If we would get more pets, I believe those would be support pets and do similar thing as bard 2 be useful regenerate mana or tp and that would sacrifice our dps. Players have already whined from that summoner is too much support class and can not do enough damage. I hope they improve our old pets so there would be great situations where garuda would be lot better than ifrit or ifrit would be lot better than garuda. It is already pretty hard balance pets between those two. What comes to titan, it have like zero raid utility. Do you want more that kind of pets? I think it was good idea heavily improve our rotation since it is bit too much copy from scholars right now.

I agree with pretty much all you said there Haven. There has to be new abilities that we wont find out till right before launch. I am just scared to get too excited because I am paranoid that it's going to be another over-promise, under-deliver.

1. Yoshi-P never promised us new egis for the expansion. If you read each of the live letters (the actual letters, not something somebody quoted on reddit from someone else who talked about the live letter), he always says -if they did- add egis, it'd be when we raise the level cap, or -we're planning to- which is not quite a promise. Plans change. There has never been any "We are going to bring new egis out for Heavensward"


2. The Dreadwyrm Trance is actually more of a typical Final Fantasy summon attack. It shows up, does a few smaller attacks (i'm of the opinion that the little swirl attack in the trailer that's used right before Akh Morn is a mini-megaflare), does its big attack, then goes away. I kinda wish the dragon head would stick around during the duration of the Trance to both inform other party members at a glance what stance we're in, and to make a bit more of a summon.

3. Hopefully the new egi-glamour system comes out quickly, and hopefully they're smart and let people change what egis are summoned as a compromise. It was already stated you'll be able to summon Carbys (I'd imagine a new red one would be called for melee), but I'm hoping they also allow Shiva, Ramuh, and Levi to be swapped in. It'd be -really- awesome if you could use whatever egis for whatever role, but that's be a lot of work, so I'd settle for swapping the egi in each role for another (example: Caster: Garuda <-> Ramuh, Melee: Ifrit <-> Shiva, Tank: Titan <-> Levi). Same moves, but with the graphical effects changed to what's appropriate for the particular egi. (While they're at it, I'd like new skins for current egis that are more "mini-me" versions of the proper primals then the day-glo modern art pieces we've got now).

4. Summoners in the Final Fantasy series typically had another job's move set aside from just summons. FFIII had 3 classes that used summons, that used the same exact summons, just with different effects. Rydia was a (in fact, -the-) Black Mage in FF IV and really, the only time you'd use summons over her magic is against multiple mobs, or if for some reason you needed Asura because Rosa alone wasn't cutting it . You'd be foolish to not take another magic job as a subjob in FF V, and then it's the same problem of Rydia. Yuna was the primary WHM in FFX (at least until you got far enough in the sphere grid to have someone else do it. Plus if she did summon, the party would be replaced by the summon, which would take the enemy damage instead, meaning she didn't have to worry about WHMing. (Hell, in the later boss fights, you'd charge up your summons overdrives beforehand, 'cause the boss would just kill them right away, making summoning them completely pointless, otherwise.). Same with Eiko and Dagger in IX (except Dagger's Trance mode) In every other Final Fantasy, summons were a back-up ability that -everyone- could do.

Long story short, there has been no Final Fantasy (aside maybe III) that summons were the ONLY thing Summoners did, and for the most part, it was their secondary function. Rydia is a Black Mage that summons. Eiko, Dagger, and Yuna were White Mages that summoned. We're DoTers that summon.


Let's face it. Due to limited scope of FFXIV as far as party roles go (DPS, Tank, Heals, and nothing else), we've pretty much got every role covered already. Adding any more pets at this point would be completely superfluous. I'd rather them add new abilities new our current egis, then implement the above egi-swap system I listed above. They even could have to fight the new egis first before you get the ability to swap, and just have a thing that explains "Oh, SMNs can only can be "attuned" to 3 egis at once, though if you sit down for a moment and concentrate for a few, you can shift your available egis when you want", and then if they do ever add new egis, just say "Oh, you're powerful enough to handle more, now")

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Flare is just a normal Black Magic Spell. I don't see any issue with SMN ever getting more Bahamut Skills.

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I coulda sworn Bahamut used it in a previous FF game but after looking it up it appears my memory has failed me, heh. It was mega flare I was thinking of, not the bog standard flare, so my argument is flawed. My apologies. :)

@Natsuno - no biggie. There's been so many skills over the FF years it's hard to keep track.
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Having each of the current pets fleshed out would be a huge bonus. I think some who want more pets, don't even realize that they have different purposes (other than Titan) and not just "use whatever one you like".
Garuda could use stronger AOE skills and Ifrit could use much stronger single target so you can distinctly classify them as such. (Ifrit flaming crush has no business being AOE)
These are all changes that could be coming in 3.0, which is definitely more important for SMN than say, another AOE or ST pet that doesn't quite accomplish its purpose.

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Originally Posted by RaideDuku

It was already stated you'll be able to summon Carbys (I'd imagine a new red one would be called for melee)

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Carbuncles of every element have already been made and exist with in ARR's data. Here is a Dark Carbuncle http://xivmodels.com/?summon/m7002b0001_6/Carbuncle-VI

If you go through the Summon tab list you will also find models of the other Carbuncles of each element.

@Solo, I can't get that to show any of the Carby ones. It will show all the others no problem but none of the Carby ones. Any ideas what I need to do to get them to show?

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Originally Posted by Kuponutz

@Solo, I can't get that to show any of the Carby ones. It will show all the others no problem but none of the Carby ones. Any ideas what I need to do to get them to show?

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I had this issue on Chrome also, but worked fine for me in Explorer. So I would suggest just opening the link using another browser :) x

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Originally Posted by Judge_Xero

Having each of the current pets fleshed out would be a huge bonus. I think some who want more pets, don't even realize that they have different purposes (other than Titan) and not just "use whatever one you like".
Garuda could use stronger AOE skills and Ifrit could use much stronger single target so you can distinctly classify them as such. (Ifrit flaming crush has no business being AOE)
These are all changes that could be coming in 3.0, which is definitely more important for SMN than say, another AOE or ST pet that doesn't quite accomplish its purpose.

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Honestly I think devs and the community lack imagination when it comes to pets.

Ifrit - Single Target melee pet that adds dps buff to melee dps
Ramuh - Single Target range pet that adds dps buff to back line dps
Garuda - AoE range pet that adds back line dps buff
Shiva - AoE melee pet that adds melee dps buff (maybe tp regen so they can spam more AoE abilities)
Titan - Tank Defense buff in obey that can become emergency tank with sic
Levithan - slight healer buff / Crowd Control (mainly AoE push backs and binds to protect Mages from adds)

Change cast times to standard 2.5 and lower mp cost to encourage situation summons.

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Originally Posted by Dyvid

Honestly I think devs and the community lack imagination when it comes to pets.

Ifrit - Single Target melee pet that adds dps buff to melee dps
Ramuh - Single Target range pet that adds dps buff to back line dps
Garuda - AoE range pet that adds back line dps buff
Shiva - AoE melee pet that adds melee dps buff (maybe tp regen so they can spam more AoE abilities)
Titan - Tank Defense buff in obey that can become emergency tank with sic
Levithan - slight healer buff / Crowd Control (mainly AoE push backs and binds to protect Mages from adds)

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Who says SE couldn't do something like this in the future?...just coz they mentioned they are bringing a glamour system doesn't mean they won't try to add to the Egi's abilities and even add a 4th or 5th Egi play style. The introduction of a glamour system or the introduction of the Dreadwyrm Trance does not hinder this or the Egi's development in any way, shape or form.

Generally the people wanted both more burst potential for SMN as well as more viable Egi/wider selection of Egi. You can't expect SE to have tackled both of these issues at the same time, whilst developing a 60 hour+ expansion as well as new rotations for every other job...one would always have to come before the other and they chose to give us Dreadwyrm Trance to address the burst situation. Now that's done they can focus on Egi and since they have not mentioned anything about these changes yet, you can hardly say that they lack imagination...you don't know what they are working on.