FCoB ilvl Requirement too high?

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Originally Posted by Ashkendor

Agreed, Dreadwyrm sword has... less than optimal stats.

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It actually doesn't. There's a stat on the Dreadwyrm sword that you are forgetting: Weapon Delay.

The Dreadwyrm blade in Sword Oath is actually higher DPS than a Crit/Det Zeta because of the 50 extra potency per autoattack. In Shield Oath the Zeta is better though.

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Originally Posted by PArcher

Big, obvious thing...Zeta sword > Dreadwyrm sword. Even with the same basic secondaries. And if you're going for a true STR bis...fantasia to a highlander

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That's not true at all. DW is the best sword due to its lower delay and the way sword oath operates. It's the only DW weapon that surpasses it's zeta counter part.

Race was never discussed but yes highlander is the best tank str race.

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Originally Posted by siverstorm

If not then I'd farm t10/11 for literally any accessories they can grab just to boost the ilvl to get in (that might be easier and avoid them wasting poetics if they don't have many accessories). That being said, I do know with all the DW drops a monk can need roll in 10 and 11 they're put to about i120ish with a 115 weapon and the rest of the gear 110.

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Yeah... that's what we started to do immediately. Was able to get the tank to I120 by the end of the night and a couple of pieces for the monk to get to I117. So some work still to be done there. It was just kind of deflating.

Kinda funny that the monk just barely managed to meet the requirement to enter T11 (which he has been farming for a while now). Dude's been playing a while. And truth be told... I've always hassled him to gear up. If anything, to make our runs faster.

Our healer in our static just puts on i130 accessories to boost her iLv enough to get in. Can just change them once you're inside... I've seen a tank put Int acc to make the iLv requirement for Titan EX... he was promptly booted.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Was that 122 mostly right side, or left? Because if it were mostly left side, that shouldn't be happening. Your comment more aptly demonstrates a different problem with the ilvls in this game, which is that they aren't weighted at all.

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This is a good point.
It's baffling to think that one ring or belt weights the same as body or legs gear.

Weapons should weight at least 5 times the weight of any accessory, item-level wise.
Body and legs should weight at least 3 times of any accessory.
Head/hands/feet should weight at least twice of any accessory.

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Originally Posted by ArkAurelius

As a tank, I agree with you half and half.

Yes. I get the best optimization for tanks is going all in on VIT and becoming a giant pool of masochism from cleaves, busters and devours. However, slowly going from ilv130 accesories to pentamelded ilv110 accesories, I felt that the pros far outweighted the cons. for a loss in around 400-500 HP.

-Higher Aggro Generation
-Higher Block Rate = More Mitigation
-Higher DPS (PUSH THEM DEEPS)
-Melded stats (Yes. lower stat caps but easier to meet the accuracy cap for T13 [IF you're in progression])

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I imagine he means i130 Str accessories, as I do for BiS. BiS only matters though when running with people I can use that gear with though, and actually try to push for new highs.

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Originally Posted by Abbul_Stonecleaver

I imagine he means i130 Str accessories, as I do for BiS. BiS only matters though when running with people I can use that gear with though, and actually try to push for new highs.

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Def meant STR accessories.

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Originally Posted by SirTaint

Tank BiS is i130.

T13 some use a couple i110s but with the echo tank BiS is for sure i130. BiS was never full right side i110s, they were used for progression and only for T13.

http://ffxiv.ariyala.com/QGK7

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Tank bis has always included penta melded top-tier accessOries. I have 9k health without food, the exact recommended amount for pld, and if I switched the last 4 points into str, I'd have 600 str. My pld is definitely op, and my war is as weill, that's got 605str and still breaks 11k in defiance. I get crap loads of vit and str, way better than the gains of a hybrid build, since each piece gives me both

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Originally Posted by monochromicorn

Tank bis has always included penta melded top-tier accessOries. I have 9k health without food, the exact recommended amount for pld, and if I switched the last 4 points into str, I'd have 600 str. My pld is definitely op, and my war is as weill, that's got 605str and still breaks 11k in defiance. I get crap loads of vit and str, way better than the gains of a hybrid build, since each piece gives me both

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STR > unnecessary VIT

Hybrids are effective pieces but are not BiS. 9k is recommended HP (after pty buff and food) for t13 (way less for all other content) but not necessary, people can complete it in i110 gear/hp. Hybrid i110s are better then mixing and matching i130 VIT/STR accessories, but neither build is BiS. BiS is full STR i130s.

With echo those hybrid pieces are for when you don't trust your healers for statics both tanks should be in full STR.

Best is Slot is best in slot. Not best with average healers or best on a budget or best I can obtain. Its BEST.

Yeah I think the ilvls are fine. Considering most PF farm parties have ilvl set to 120 for turns 10-12.

I've seen people with iLv. 120+ who cannot execute mechanics they should be experienced with by now, or do DPS so low it takes ages to push phases. Can you imagine what it's like being in a T12 "farm" party that gets five Bennus (yes, FIVE) with 10% Echo? Now imagine the BRD in that very party being 2nd-highest DPS despite the fact they have to pick up Bluefires because the more experienced healer doesn't trust his inexperienced co-healer.

The iLv. requirements are a complete joke since people have proven they can clear each turn with at least 5-10 iLvs. below the added requirements before they were made fully open for everyone to join. They are nothing but a hinderance to capable farm parties, and if the excuse for those ridiculously inflated requirements is because of the random people you may be queued with in the data center, that says a lot about the average player. I hate to be the jerk here, but a higher iLv. is not the answer--it's just masking the real problem.

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STR > unnecessary VIT

Hybrids are effective pieces but are not BiS. 9k is recommended HP (after pty buff and food) for t13 (way less for all other content) but not necessary, people can complete it in i110 gear/hp. Hybrid i110s are better then mixing and matching i130 VIT/STR accessories, but neither build is BiS. BiS is full STR i130s.

With echo those hybrid pieces are for when you don't trust your healers for statics both tanks should be in full STR.

Best is Slot is best in slot. Not best with average healers or best on a budget or best I can obtain. Its BEST.

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Thing is, with how much HP you have a tank, you can't just arbitrarily decide what amount is "best" to have. It isn't just all about how much you need to be able to survive big hits, either, and if you think it is you're not looking at the entire picture.

It's not like measuring DPS, where you know exactly what your goal is (highest damage possible) and can measure and math out how to achieve it.

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Originally Posted by Fynlar

Thing is, with how much HP you have a tank, you can't just arbitrarily decide what amount is "best" to have. It isn't just all about how much you need to be able to survive big hits, either, and if you think it is you're not looking at the entire picture.

It's not like measuring DPS, where you know exactly what your goal is (highest damage possible) and can measure and math out how to achieve it.

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Right that's where experience comes in. When people throw out recommended HP numbers (like 9k for t13) they are based on the opinions of players clearing the content.

Our first t13 clear we had a i110 PLD what's that like 8000hp? If it's clear able with 8k then the 9k recommended has a decent cushion.