Patch 2.5 Preliminary Notes Discussion

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Originally Posted by Umo

Indeed, but why are they keeping current Frontlines version? Am I missing something? o.o

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Why... Wouldn't they? Variety is a nice thing... Why would they remove one game mode when they add another?

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Originally Posted by Umo

Indeed, but why are they keeping current Frontlines version? Am I missing something? o.o

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Because some might prefer that one? Let's just hope this doesn't split the players too badly, and cause the other version have even more horrendous queues than now. 8v8v8 should help, though.

I bet you can't queue for both at the same time.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

Because some might prefer that one? Let's just hope this doesn't split the players too badly, and cause the other version have even more horrendous queues than now. 8v8v8 should help, though.

I bet you can't queue for both at the same time.

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Yep, the community will be splitted.
BUT, not only they removed 16v16v16, allowing 8v8v8 to pop more often, but they'll be adding a PvP Roulette for Frontlines.
If the rewards are good enough, it should bring more people into the PvP scene and maybe things will smooth themselves.

* WARNING SPOILER ALERT* Im thinking the mystery trial will be a Hard (or Extreme) version of Gaius van Baelsar since he escaped in the main story and was a complete faceroll to be the main antagonist. Would be a good way to end the 2.X series. What do you guys think about it? EDIT: this is why i dont need to skip cutscenes when ppl say to, i never go back and watch in the inn. Just read he dies in Prea in an explosion after Ultima Weapon is defeated >.>

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Originally Posted by SummonerSenah

Other than the condescending tone (sorry my 1.0 friends were on Balmung?) thanks for the info. Now to decide whether to spend the money or keep saving it.

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You are right. I had just woken up, and we had 3 other threads on this exact issue that had gotten pretty heated. I transferred some of the heat without realizing it, and I apologize for that. edited my post to reflect a little less ire.

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Originally Posted by Waliel

Because some might prefer that one? Let's just hope this doesn't split the players too badly, and cause the other version have even more horrendous queues than now. 8v8v8 should help, though.

I bet you can't queue for both at the same time.

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The new Frontlines roulette is specifically to queue for both at the same time I thought...?

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Originally Posted by Tarushade

EDIT: this is why i dont need to skip cutscenes when ppl say to....*edited*

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May wanna put that in a spoiler tag in case new players see it :P Dont wanna ruin it.

So is the ?? quest for a primal besides Odin?

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Originally Posted by Vespar

May wanna put that in a spoiler tag in case new players see it :P Dont wanna ruin it.

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TY for that that never crossed my mind. Good call

Is anyone else kinda upset that they are resyncing all the High Level dungeons to i110?

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Originally Posted by Tarushade

Is anyone else kinda upset that they are resyncing all the High Level dungeons to i110?

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Kind of, but pentamelded i110 crafted gear will make them go faster.

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

So is the ?? quest for a primal besides Odin?

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Considering the ??? trial has an achievement for completing it called 'Secret Ascian Man' most are assuming it'll be a battle with an Ascian; likely Lahabrea or Nabriales. Given that 2.5 is the conclusion of the current main scenario arc it makes sense that we'd have a battle with one of the actual main villains rather than just another primal.

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Originally Posted by Tarushade

* WARNING SPOILER ALERT* Im thinking the mystery trial will be a Hard (or Extreme) version of Gaius van Baelsar since he escaped in the main story and was a complete faceroll to be the main antagonist. Would be a good way to end the 2.X series. What do you guys think about it? EDIT: this is why i dont need to skip cutscenes when ppl say to, i never go back and watch in the inn. Just read he dies in Prea in an explosion after Ultima Weapon is defeated >.>

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Oh that was a good idea. I really like that one.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Considering the ??? trial has an achievement for completing it called 'Secret Ascian Man' most are assuming it'll be a battle with an Ascian; likely Lahabrea or Nabriales. Given that 2.5 is the conclusion of the current main scenario arc it makes sense that we'd have a battle with one of the actual main villains rather than just another primal.

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Yeah i see that now. Even better!

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

You have 5 minutes to pass on the item. If you don't pass, then you gave your consent. This is how it's always been.

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If they didn't add weekly loot lock out to getting the item even tho you didn't roll and everyone else passed, then you could organise it so you had unlimited loot in a week.

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Considering the ??? trial has an achievement for completing it called 'Secret Ascian Man' most are assuming it'll be a battle with an Ascian; likely Lahabrea or Nabriales. Given that 2.5 is the conclusion of the current main scenario arc it makes sense that we'd have a battle with one of the actual main villains rather than just another primal.

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Doubt it would be Lahabrea as the Ascian in Ishgard is firmly entrenched and set up to be in a position to pull the strings. Lahabrea had a different agenda.

So, I tried to read all the patch notes, but I may have missed it...

Are we getting Carbontwine and Carboncoat in WoD?

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Originally Posted by Ceodore

So, I tried to read all the patch notes, but I may have missed it...

Are we getting Carbontwine and Carboncoat in WoD?

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I'm not sure it said anything about it. They said it would be handled differently as well, but i saw nothing about it.

Wasn't there supposed to be a seperate lockout thing for the upgrade materials in WoD? ie you could choose one equipment and one upgrade material per week

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Considering the ??? trial has an achievement for completing it called 'Secret Ascian Man' most are assuming it'll be a battle with an Ascian; likely Lahabrea or Nabriales. Given that 2.5 is the conclusion of the current main scenario arc it makes sense that we'd have a battle with one of the actual main villains rather than just another primal.

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Another way to interpret it would be that the player is the secret ascian man... On the french page it was revealed the trial name is La Chrysalide (Chrysalis)... whatever that means in the context of the main story.
Crackpot theory would be that we fight Hydaelyn in that trial...

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Originally Posted by Alberel

Considering the ??? trial has an achievement for completing it called 'Secret Ascian Man' most are assuming it'll be a battle with an Ascian; likely Lahabrea or Nabriales.

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Lahabrea was shown in the Before the Fall Part 2 section of the trailer, with Elidibus behind him if I remember correctly. Granted, we "killed" him before and he came back, but now that we have auracite, and the trailer also showed us using Tupsimati like the Sword of Light we used to defeat Lahabrea the first time on something (almost certainly an auracite trapping an Ascian), so I think we can safely assume that if we go and pick a fight with them we actually also have the means to put them down permanently, so I'd rule out a fight with Lahabrea.

I think Zodiark is actually a possibility... I mean... Even if Lahabrea at the end of Praetorium was actually a challenge... Mechanically it would still be an incredibly boring fight... I can't see a Trial version of it working... Plus "Mystery Trial: Generic Black Robed Villain!" is just such a boring let down...

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Originally Posted by ShiloEET

I'm not sure it said anything about it. They said it would be handled differently as well, but i saw nothing about it.

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There was no mention of it. Yes, they mentioned that the upgrade tokens would have a separate lockout. That being said, these are the preliminary patch notes. Certainly subject to change. It is still entirely possible that we may still see these in the patch.

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

If they didn't add weekly loot lock out to getting the item even tho you didn't roll and everyone else passed, then you could organise it so you had unlimited loot in a week.

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Perhaps, however this seems like an awful lot of organization. It would certainly take a great deal of planning.

Though, I suppose, the better question is, that if this loot will be replaced by the expansion, why have the lockout at all?

Well... I called it. I knew it would happen, and it did. I'm not sure whether to pat myself on the back or just shake my head in dismay at the lunacy.

The 'roulette' is getting beyond stupid. Okay, more stupid than it was before. Yet again we see the 'expert' roulettes pushed backwards into the 'hard mode' roulettes, three new 'experts' taking their place as the only true means of earning your daily tomes of poetics (all of which need to be unlocked before you can actually DO a roulette), and making things even more of a pain in the butt for anyone working on their animus. Thanks SE... nice work.

They've made the old hag dependent on being able to complete the roulette, then effectively lock the thing out every few updates and raise the bar on the roulette to a new difficulty level. My god, by the time we hit Heavensward you'll need ilvl 150 just to get mysterious maps for your measly level 110 Novus!

I'm looking forward to the quests, but couldn't they have just added the new dungeons to a new advanced roulette or, at the very least, kept the existing ones in the same roulette tier so that we don't water down the hard mode to obscurity? Just LOOK at the number of dungeons you'll need to complete just to have access to HM roulette once this patch hits! It's ridiculous! And that's before we even consider the ITEM LEVEL necessary to do this.

Sure, I've got all jobs unlocked at 50 blah blah... but what of new players? This is utterly destructive for players still working their way through the game, something SE apparently considers unimportant.

No new trial ex .. sad :(

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Originally Posted by Tiggy

They still failed to remove the pvp requirement where I must play with my grand company. When is square going to realize that the main reason people don't play much is because they can't play with friends easily? Everyone I've spoken to about this in my FC agrees that we would all play it more if this restriction was removed. With the new rules I was hopeful they would remove this limit, but have once again been dissapointed. Nothing was more fun than playing with all 8 people on my team at the fan fest. A shame I won't get that again.

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Actually, all you have to do is change to the same GC, and then all the people who moved will have to do us level up their PVP rank all over again from Rank 0 so they can once again equip their i100/i110 PVP gear after a few hundred matches.

I'm kidding of course, I had hoped for a change in this regard as well.

New dungeons being i90 kinda worries me. Everyone's way higher than that and I'm worried it'll be a snoozefest. I know people don't truly want 4 mans to be 'hard', but there's a balance between the two.

They recognized the expert roulette Alex quest creep and addressed it by BOTH increasing the fate drop rate and increasing soldiery acquisition in general (buy maps). On top of this they upped lights and people are complaining that relic is getting harder? /official forums logic.

What's an Allagan Catalyst for I wonder? Anyone know?

That miqote hair looks like a boy's hair cut.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

That miqote hair looks like a boy's hair cut.

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Because it's a genderles hair cut, possibly based on The last Remnant main char and his sister, so yes it's a boy hair cut but they felt that it could fit both that's why everyone gets both.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

That miqote hair looks like a boy's hair cut.

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It's one of the 2 new unisex haircuts. Don't know if you noticed but the other one is that which the female Hyur and the male Elveen have.

And why not? Some girls are tomboyish and some guys girlish :3

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Originally Posted by Zumi

That miqote hair looks like a boy's hair cut.

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I actually fantasia'd back to female for this hairstyle. Ive been waiting for a nice short/pixie style cut for my Miq.

With the quest that requires all the primal mounts do you think they upped the drop rate again on the mounts?

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Originally Posted by Zumi

With the quest that requires all the primal mounts do you think they upped the drop rate again on the mounts?

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Prelim patch notes say they did, though no specified numbers.

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Originally Posted by Zumi

With the quest that requires all the primal mounts do you think they upped the drop rate again on the mounts?

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-> from Patch Notes:
The drop rates for the following Extreme primal battle rewards have been increased: 　Aithon Whistle / Xanthos Whistle / Gullfaxi Whistle / Enbarr Whistle / Markab Whistle / Boreas Whistle

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Originally Posted by Akuryu

You have 5 minutes to pass on the item. If you don't pass, then you gave your consent. This is how it's always been.

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That's not how it works in CT. If you don't lot, it rots.

Damn. I was going to post something about people crying about item level sync for high-level dungeons, but then someone beat me to it.

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Originally Posted by nakomaru

That's not how it works in CT. If you don't lot, it rots.

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Do you have any proof of that, considering it's not like that in the rest of the game?

that "Most Gentlemanly" pose, isn't that male highlander pose? So all race will have this pose huh? :/

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Originally Posted by Sapphic

Doubt it would be Lahabrea as the Ascian in Ishgard is firmly entrenched and set up to be in a position to pull the strings. Lahabrea had a different agenda.

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Actually the scene at the end of 2.3 showed us that it was Lahabrea and Elidibus that were pulling the strings in Ishgard as it was the pair of them stood beside the Holy See. I don't actually think it will be Lahabrea in the trial though. The 2.5 story seems to be focusing a lot more on Nabriales and his personality is quite rash and impatient which suggests to me he's being set up for a fall. He'll probably be the first Ascian that we actually kill outright, whilst Lahabrea is more likely to be a long-running rival/antagonist figure.