How is your new zodiak drop rates so far?

I'm an Idiot I ran AK 13 times yesterday before I realized its Lost City instead

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1/1 Braylox
1/11 Haukke HM
1/5 Aurum Vale
1/13 WP
1/1 Hullbreaker Isle
1/7 Copperbell HM
1/4 Qarn HM
1/3 Lost City of Ampador

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Originally Posted by Heghmoh

As of yesterday at 7:30 AM I have run 37 dungeons (Queuing Sastasha (Hard), Qarn (Hard), Snowcloak and Halatali) and received 0 Key Items...at 10% drop rate I feel like i have the worst luck.

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Are you sure those dungeons are even ready yet to be farmed? You can't open up certain dungeons (so to speak) unless you've received the key items from WP, Copperbell (Hard), Haukke Manor (Hard), etc.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Faleva

Please confirm if this is a myth or not

Sources say that the drop is 100% for 1 person in that party. So for example, if 4 people in that dungeon all need that key item, it will drop for 1 person out of the 4 that needs it.

So far, a fc/ls member ran AV and DD, he was the only one that needed the item, he got it 100%
I ran 3 AV's this morning, the last one I did, I was the only one that need the item, and I got it.

I did Quan (hard) I thought I was the only that needed it, I did not get it, but I never asked the group.

Please post the findings you see and happy grinding!

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Was running Snowcloak with 3 other FC mates, and no one got an item until our 3rd clear.

The question is, is all this worth it in the end. Are other weapons not comparable? seems a bit a much for a few points in stat increase

feels like its about a 10-20% drop rate imo

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Originally Posted by Zeikial

The question is, is all this worth it in the end. Are other weapons not comparable? seems a bit a much for a few points in stat increase

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Yes because it become better then the final coil wep later on :) Yoshi-p said that the relic wep would always be the best just have to wait for the update on it.

Done half of the dungeons, all the items and the Company Seals in less then 2 days. Now I just need the other half of the dungeons and 3200 Soldiery.

mileage on your weapon will vary based on where you are in coil and what your tomestone weapon substats are. For this step being easy I'd like to say it is very worth it.

"Easy" unless you don't have millions of gil and don't craft. Because... you know... a battle weapon should be tied into some Betty Crocker BS. Should fishers and miners have to defeat all primals and Coil to receive their apex tools?

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

Are you sure those dungeons are even ready yet to be farmed? You can't open up certain dungeons (so to speak) unless you've received the key items from WP, Copperbell (Hard), Haukke Manor (Hard), etc.

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Yup - these are my current quest objectives T.T

Brayflox ( Hard ) 1 / 1
Copperbell Mines ( Hard ) 1 / 1
Wanderer's Palace 1 / 5
Haukke Manor ( Hard ) 1 / 8
Hullbreaker 1 / 5

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Originally Posted by Mercutial

"Easy" unless you don't have millions of gil and don't craft. Because... you know... a battle weapon should be tied into some Betty Crocker BS. Should fishers and miners have to defeat all primals and Coil to receive their apex tools?

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Go for it, fishers and miners arnt lazy bads that complain about doing something so easy.

Still working on Novus.

Can we get credit on other jobs without a Nexus? healing all the time is making me want to kill myself. . . .

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Originally Posted by Zagam

Go for it, fishers and miners arnt lazy bads that complain about doing something so easy.

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Sorry... came off a bit strong there. I'm not implying that DoH and DoL players don't put some serious blood, sweat and tears into what they do. I just kinda believe the two should be separate when attaining goals related to battle and crafting.

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Originally Posted by CSX

Can we get credit on other jobs without a Nexus? healing all the time is making me want to kill myself. . . .

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You don't have to be on your Nexus. I got mine on my Bard and My Black Mage and they both have Zenith. Just make sure you got the quest unlocked.

1/19 on halatali hm
0/9 on snowcloak atm

well getting enough soldiery and chest drop items at this rate to buy the items from gc and ariana....

Can anyone here tell me at all with certainty that they have gone on a dungeon run that 2 members have both gotten their key item at the same time?

because every single run i've gone one only 1 of the 4 people had ever gotten a key item.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Faleva

Please confirm if this is a myth or not

Sources say that the drop is 100% for 1 person in that party. So for example, if 4 people in that dungeon all need that key item, it will drop for 1 person out of the 4 that needs it.

So far, a fc/ls member ran AV and DD, he was the only one that needed the item, he got it 100%
I ran 3 AV's this morning, the last one I did, I was the only one that need the item, and I got it.

I did Quan (hard) I thought I was the only that needed it, I did not get it, but I never asked the group.

Please post the findings you see and happy grinding!

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Yeah... finding this was just 100% luck

so far I'm finding this to be a 12%-15% drop rate

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Originally Posted by Marcux

Can anyone here tell me at all with certainty that they have gone on a dungeon run that 2 members have both gotten their key item at the same time?

because every single run i've gone one only 1 of the 4 people had ever gotten a key item.

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Yes, it is very much possible, on my 39th Sastasha with my friend, both him and I got our drop from the same run.

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Lost City of Ampador - 1/10
Haukke Manor - 1/8
AV - 1/2
WP - 1/3
Copperbell Mines - 1/2
Sastasha - 1/3
Hullbreaker - 1/3
Pharos Sirius 1/2
AK - 1/3
Qarn - 1/7
Tam-Tara 1/7

5 more dungeons to go. >.<

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Originally Posted by Merylx

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Lost City of Ampador - 1/10
Haukke Manor - 1/8
AV - 1/2
WP - 1/3
Copperbell Mines - 1/2
Sastasha - 1/3
Hullbreaker - 1/3
Pharos Sirius 1/2
AK - 1/3
Qarn - 1/7
Tam-Tara 1/7

5 more dungeons to go. >.<

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Go play the lotto, your luck is amazing.

Yet another update...
So far...
Wanderer's Palace 1/6
Copperbell Mines (Hard) 1/5
Sastasha Seagrot (Hard) 1/1
Haukke Manor (Hard) 1/2
Aurum Vale 1/2
Lost City of Amdapor 1/2
Hullbreaker Isle 1/1 (no nanka minion)
Dzemael Darkhold 1/1
Sunken Temple of Qarn (Hard) 1/7 (no mummy minion)
Brayflox Longstop (Hard) 1/13 (two monkey minions in that time, lost lot on both http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/i...lies/frown.png )
Amdapor Keep 1/1
Pharos Sirius 1/4

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Originally Posted by Shinun

I'm an Idiot I ran AK 13 times yesterday before I realized its Lost City instead

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I thought i was the only one ...

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Originally Posted by Sethra

Go play the lotto, your luck is amazing.

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Not really. The odds of getting the drop is about 15% per run. That means that there's an 85% chance of NOT getting the drop. However, with each run, the odds of not getting the drop goes down rather exponentially.

The odds of not getting a drop in two dungeon runs, 72%. Three? 61% Four? 52% Five? 44%

While it's not common to get a drop in one, two, or three runs, eventually, through running the dungeons, the items WILL drop, assuming that the quest is open, and that the dungeons are run in the right order.

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Originally Posted by Keyln

While it's not common to get a drop in one, two, or three runs, eventually, through running the dungeons, the items WILL drop, assuming that the quest is open, and that the dungeons are run in the right order.

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Gambler's Fallacy.

updating

WP 1/10
Copperbell Mines 1/1
Hullbreaker Isle 1/8
Aurum Vale 1/1
Hakkue Manor 1/1
Sunken Temple Hard 1/10+
Satasha 1/2
Ampodar City 1/10+
Brayflox 1/8+
Dzemael Darkhold 1/1
Halatali 0/7
Snowcloak 1/6

5/8 HQ mats.
I had the best Darkhold run. XD I think it was with someone up here too.
Wish Snowcloak wasn't so long. xD

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Originally Posted by Keyln

Not really. The odds of getting the drop is about 15% per run. That means that there's an 85% chance of NOT getting the drop. However, with each run, the odds of not getting the drop goes down rather exponentially.

The odds of not getting a drop in two dungeon runs, 72%. Three? 61% Four? 52% Five? 44%

While it's not common to get a drop in one, two, or three runs, eventually, through running the dungeons, the items WILL drop, assuming that the quest is open, and that the dungeons are run in the right order.

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If that was the case, there'd be fewer complaints. It's basically Atma all over again; each attempt is its own roll, not successive rolls.

on most part i dont mind the whole dungeon grind other then sub 50 you dont get any soldiery towards the waters at all :s
i am afraid that i have handed in some of these quests and it has repeatable above them though!!!....

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Originally Posted by MilesSaintboroguh

If that was the case, there'd be fewer complaints. It's basically Atma all over again; each attempt is its own roll, not successive rolls.

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I'm going to venture a guess and say that you've never taken a statistics course before. I'm not saying that each roll influences the other rolls, but the odds do change in a series of rolls. Think of it like this. Let's take a coin, which being perfectly balanced, has a 50% of being heads and 50% of being tails. To put it in a different way, there's a 50% of it being heads, and 50% of NOT being heads. After all, it's H or T. But what are the odds of flipping the coin twice and NOT being heads? 25%. That is to say, there is only one outcome out of four that will not result in flipping tails (HH, TH, HT, TT). Flip it a third time? 12.5% (HHH, HHT, THH, THT, HTH, HTT, TTH, TTT) Keep in mind that each coin flip is a separate event, and does not necessarily influence the other coin flips.

The basic principle is that the more something is done, the less likely of something NOT happening. As in this case, the odds of getting the relic item in a dungeon run is about 15%. This means that the odds of NOT getting a relic item is 85% in a SINGLE run. The odds of not getting the item in a series of five runs is much lower at 44%, or 85%^5. This isn't Gambler's Fallacy or saying that each run influences other runs. Rather, this is simple probability mathematics.

The problem of the FATE atmas is that the drop rate was really low, like about 2% or 3% or something like that. So, that means that there was, at best, 97% chance of NOT getting the Atma. After 20 FATEs, though, the odds drop to 54% of not getting the Atma in any of those 20 FATEs. It would take about 100 FATEs for it to get down to a insignificant % chance.

I was thinking about statistics of this questline and was going for 25% chance myself (after 10 drops in 40 dungeon runs).
Inputting numbers into a negative binomial distribution CDF (which seemed to be the most suitable to model this) gave me that at 25% chance of getting A dungeon drop, I'd only have a little more than 50% chance of getting all 16 items in 64 runs (which would be perfect 25% end result).
I'm not too good at statistics though, so I could be wrong here...

1/17 WP
1/1 Haukke
1/2 AV
1/3 Lost City
1/8 Sastasha
0/6 Brayflox
0/9 Copperbell
0/3 Dzemael

AV and Haukke were the very first couple of dungeons i ran, and then things went south real quick...

1/1 WP
1/1 Copperbell
1/4 Hullbraker
1/1 AV (phew!)
1/9 Quarn
1/6 Hauke Manor
1/4 Lost City
1/2 Satasha
1/7 DH
1/9 Brayflox (and got Baby Opo-opo in the 2nd run :D)
1/1 Halatali
1/11 Snowcloak
1/5 AK
1/1 Pharos Sirius
1/1 Tam-Tara
1/5 Stone Vigil

16/68

Around 23.53% for me with the bonus of getting Baby Opo-opo finally :D

Done!

update

WP 1/10
Copperbell Mines 1/1
Hullbreaker Isle 1/8
Aurum Vale 1/1
Hakkue Manor 1/1
Sunken Temple Hard 1/10+
Satasha 1/2
Ampodar City 1/10+
Brayflox 1/8+
Dzemael Darkhold 1/1
Halatali 1/15
Snowcloak 1/6

6/8 HQ mats.
One more set of dungeons to go for me.
I can see the light at the end of the tunnel.

Snowcloak giving me troubles 0/15 now

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Originally Posted by Zumi

Snowcloak giving me troubles 0/15 now

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I hope you get lucky soon. lol
36 runs of Hullbreaker for Kraken blood here. Not fun.

0/4738974892374892374892378492378942379423 Copperbell. :(!!!! I'm about to initiate a table flip if I don't get that drop anytime soon.

0/21 Halatali hm and counting ; ;

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Originally Posted by Squa11_Leonhart

Gambler's Fallacy.

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Not really, but poor words choice. The item WILL drop, that's a fact... at 15% chance (or whatever the real drop rate is)
But then, fact is that after each subsequent run, you have more chance to have had the drop. at 15%, it would take 14 runs to have 90% chance at your drop (in total). While having only 15% chance per run.

Update from other post:

WP 1/1
CB HM 1/1
Haukke Manor HM 1/17
Brayflox HM 1/16
Hullbreaker Isle 1/26
AK 1/1
Pharos Sirius 1/6
Aurum Vale 1/1 (<3)
Tam Tara HM 0/5