They allow you to pay to boost your character to level 90. Disgusting. I hope we don't see something like this in FF14.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aphel
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12-02-2014, 01:25 PMTurnBased
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12-02-2014, 01:30 PMJeckyl_TeslaIf people can't afford the sub fee, then they shouldn't be playing MMOs. You can't afford it, don't pay for it.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnBased
If it's a few minions and 1 mount on the cash shop that breaks peoples will to play this game, then that's no real loss in my eyes.
Aye, that's something I do not like, nor do I enjoy. Yet at the same time, I can understand why they did it. Though, in all honesty, I would prefer if they kept that as a expansion month only offer. Brings people back to the game and they get to test out the end game stuff without having to level through 4 expansions to get to it, but close the offer after New years. Though I doubt that'd happen. The door is opened now.Quote:
They allow you to pay to boost your character to level 90. Disgusting. I hope we don't see something like this in FF14.
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12-02-2014, 01:39 PMTurnBasedIt's not that they can't afford it. They just need that little push. I have friends who are like "I'd love to play FFXIV, but I'm not sure about the monthly fee".Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla
And then I'm like "It's awesome! Just wait until you fight Ifrit and Titan! And raiding is fun! And chocobos! and Lalafells!"
And they're like "Yeah, but the monthly fee... Hmm..."
And I'm like "It's worth the fifteen dollars! Besides, that's ALL you have to pay for! Oh... wait."
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12-02-2014, 01:42 PMAphelThe boost costs more than an expansion itself and people still do it. It's ugly but if FFXIV does reach such high levels (90s, 100s), I won't be surprised if SE does this too.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnBased
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12-02-2014, 01:46 PMJeckyl_TeslaThat is all they have to pay for though. They can live without Sleipnir and a random wedding dress.Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnBased
If they can't, then FFXIV probably isn't the problem.
The thing is, I have friends like that too. Some people are frugal with spending money. They find spending 60 pounds (What, 80 dollars to you US people?) on a game every month/two months is fine. Yet spending 8 pounds/15 dollars a month on an online game is horribly wrong, for some reason. Oh and let me guess, they say: "Man, I can play this game whenever I want to and play it in the future without having to pay"?
Either that, or they'll be like "wtf man 8 pounds a month? Too much money! Now, Be right back, gonna go spend the night in a bar and spend 60 pounds instead and not even remember it!"
Stop trying to encourage them. They'll only play the game and then end up resenting you for making them "waste" money. Trust me on this, life experiences. -
12-02-2014, 01:46 PMjuniglee"Well, it's cheaper than a night in the bar, or a night at the movies!"Quote:
Originally Posted by TurnBased
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12-02-2014, 01:55 PMTurnBasedLike I said, they just need that push. In my case, I encouraged him to play and he ended up being an active player, even raiding coil with a static.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeckyl_Tesla
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12-02-2014, 02:44 PMAlexander_DragonfangDiferences:Quote:
Originally Posted by Aphel
1.- All those items are MADE FOR the Cash Shop. The other are account optional services, even the booster, which is more decent than anything in FFXIV anyway.
2.- None of those items belong to an in-game experience.
3.- None of those items generate the feeling of "free" vs "premium" experience.
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12-02-2014, 03:06 PMRorisI disagree about the level booster and its price is even sillier, but it is Activision after all, which of course still doesn't excuse the double dipping at all but it is what they do best. The one thing I will say is that even they have never taken out items that were initially obtainable in game by doing quests and then were available for purchase the year after with in game currency if you missed the events, and then made them only available in the cash shop, like ARR is doing with past seasonal items. Another thing is they also don't provide paid extra storage on their shop, and of course they don't really have a wedding system to offer something for it. The last thing worth mentioning is other standard MMO services like appearance change, name change, etc. are under their own separate section.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
For all intents and purposes, their cash shop is a true vanity only cash shop with just pets, mounts and I guess some helms, or at least was true vanity until the level boost anyway. The level boost also raised the same justified concerns about the possibility of offering stuff like endgame gear, stat boost potions, raid lockout removers, and what not over their own community, with both the same type of defenders and detractors as here or in any other MMO that's implemented a cash shop. -
12-02-2014, 03:49 PMKuwaitum
I am willing to play FFXIV as long as its a P2P type, if SE decides to make it a P2W I'd probably will call it a quit and return to alternative offline games.
I also will be considering buying from current FFXIV shop if:
1. BOTs are actually removed asap (I want to see a real effort banning them*)
2. Sold items remain vanity/optional only.
*The cash shop will compensate the missing paying (BOT/RMT) subscriptions. Until I see a good BOT/RMT cleaning, I see my subscription fee is more than enough. I spend hours to make gil while other buys them in 5 min. Sorry, I got carried out of the initial thread.:confused: -
12-02-2014, 05:16 PMMarxam
A rule of thumb for any cash shop imo is that no price of any item within should exceed the price of the sub. I bought the Slepnir mount and suffered buyers remorse for a while because I literally paid two months sub for a item that's only (maybe) 150mb in data. Idm micro transactions as long as it only enhances fluff content and not game content and only if it doesn't exceed the price of a sub.
Also SE, please stop showing us content without finalizing what you intend to do with it in the final product. People will always want the full experience and will be willing to pay if you just tell them from the start that extraneous stuff like the mount for the wedding will be in the cash shop. Honesty goes a long way and just telling people a week prior to the launch is not only under-handed but can cause some people to feel betrayed since you got their hopes up.
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12-02-2014, 05:47 PMThistledown
Claims WoW has a healthier cash shop because it doesn't cover in game experience.
Says level booster is ok because WoW does it.
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12-02-2014, 06:45 PMvp_cmc
Can I already buy an item there, that resets the lockout in fcob?
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12-02-2014, 08:20 PMJeckyl_TeslaYou obviously have never been in a game that has had level boosters, it creates a pure rift between the players. Instead of "You must have bought that account." It becomes "You must have bought a level booster."Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexander_Dragonfang
It is not healthy, in any way and never will be. Micro-transactions are fine. The wedding micro-transaction is fine. Level boosters are not.
Also, I have no idea where get this idea that level boosters generate no premium or freemium feeling. Fork out some money, or spend hours and hours leveling by yourself in ghost towns like some poor person. That is literally what it is.
What's next? People complaining that other people buy a separate account to get the two seater mount?
It actually boggles my mind that you can call level the WoW items fine, including the level booster and call FFXIV cash shop items a premium. Hahaha.
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12-02-2014, 08:55 PMLollerblades
XI is quite successful. So I'm not quite sure why that's not in there.
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12-02-2014, 09:04 PMDefendPopPunkSimple. It throws a wrench in the entire premise, that being that cash shops are industry standard and exist in every successful MMO. "Successful" is of course somewhat ambiguous but best not to tread into the land of semantics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lollerblades