Frontlines is ruined by exploits, SE need to fix it

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Originally Posted by Logo

For everyone saying its balanced to have Heals do such large DPS, why not then let DRG, MNK, etc do some healing.
Seems legit.

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This is really a not so smart suggestion I have ever heard. Go play Archer and Paladin and equip Heal and try it yourself. Your opponent must be a dummy if they let you successfuly cast a Heal without spell interruption.

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Originally Posted by Divinemight

This is really a not so smart suggestion I have ever heard. Go play Archer and Paladin and equip Heal and try it yourself. Your opponent must be a dummy if they let you successfuly cast a Heal without spell interruption.

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it was sarcasm

you are playing against 8 healers ?, you are not going to kill them and they are not going to kill you, if they kill you it's just because you hardly suck.

Go as 8 in the circle, bump them out and sleep them if you can, get the flag and def it by staying into it, you win...
And to be honest, if you focus the same target with 5-6 dps you will kill one of them. Use CC, use burst like full swing and kill them all...

it's like blm doing sleep + LB combo, it's "OP", deal with it :/

With all this talk of "Just deal with it. It's unfair but so what. Nothing can be done blah blah", I want them to give us SMN(and SCH) back full access to our abilities. Let's see how many people keep this same attitude lol

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Originally Posted by Gor

it was sarcasm

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Thank you.

In my eyes, it isn't a problem facing 4 healers. Just yesterday, I fought against 3 WHM's/2SCH's who were in our OP. With only myself (SMN), a DRG, and a MRD, we were able to kill them off 1 by 1. And yes, they had 3 Med 2's up at once while using their pvp skills. DPS's just need to learn how to maximize their damage and use their skills properly. Most people complaining in-game about it usually just suck and do under 30k dps >_>

Maybe they were terrible at healing.

There is no way to take them down 1 by 1 with only 3 dps. Maybe you could pop up all your buff and burst 1 of them but if healers know what to do it's impossible.

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Originally Posted by Vudus

Maybe they were terrible at healing.
There is no way to take them down 1 by 1 with only 3 dps. Maybe you could pop up all your buff and burst 1 of them but if healers know what to do it's impossible.

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No, as I've stated, all 3 Med 2's from the 3 WHM's were up. One SCH seemed to be spamming succor/adlo for galv(which prevents interruptions while it's still up). And I noticed they were all using their PvP skills. Don't get me wrong, this took a while to kill. Somewhere between 2-3 minutes. Which is a lot of time wasted. But I think a key part of this working depends on what DPS's are there. As a SMN, I can at least place 4 dots on all of them at a time while focusing on max damage bursting one of them down. To me, it seems impossible to do without at least 1 SMN.

Don't get me wrong. I do agree having 4+ healers is challenging and a bit overpowered when it comes to a PvP system where holding down a spot for points is key to winning, but it's not impossible.

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Originally Posted by Skeet

Most people complaining in-game about it usually just suck and do under 30k dps >_>

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If you could do 30k dps everyone would die in a second...

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Originally Posted by Avery28

If you could do 30k dps everyone would die in a second...

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+1 to you for trying to be funny.

I'm sure everyone who's done Frontline once would understand my previous post.

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Originally Posted by Skeet

+1 to you for trying to be funny.

I'm sure everyone who's done Frontline once would understand my previous post.

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I'm sure everyone saw the humor in a little typo

relax man, its all in good fun

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Originally Posted by Skeet

In my eyes, it isn't a problem facing 4 healers. Just yesterday, I fought against 3 WHM's/2SCH's who were in our OP. With only myself (SMN), a DRG, and a MRD, we were able to kill them off 1 by 1. And yes, they had 3 Med 2's up at once while using their pvp skills.

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Honestly, the healers must not have known what they were doing unless you beat them using a limit + enkindle combo... Just looking at the 3 WHM if they keep 2-3 medica IIs up and also use regens (they should be!) that more than negates your dots and in one tick will surpass the damage you put into them using fester as healing. The SCH bring fairy heals and 6 lustrates every minute and with that combo you can CC at most 3-4 of them at once... I don't care what your burst is like, if a healer is there to watch it freely and there are 3+ HoTs on your target they aren't dying without limit.

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Originally Posted by Fainto

I don't care what your burst is like, if a healer is there to watch it freely and there are 3+ HoTs on your target they aren't dying without limit.

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They had regen up as well. And no, no limit breaks were used in the case I'm referring to. Once people get better at maximizing dps, there shouldn't be a problem with 3-4 healers. There's been many cases where I've faced off against 3-4 healers and have gotten both positive and negative results. Mostly just depends on the make-up of the team. By myself, it's obviously impossible. But with a group of people that knows how to use their dps's properly, it's totally possible. You can say it's not as many times as you like, but it really doesn't bother me.

What are you, 10? Every GC has the ability to queue with a group of healers, it's luck of the draw. That's how it's intended to work. If you don't like it, queue for Wolves' den, the more "Fair" PvP...

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Originally Posted by Skeet

They had regen up as well. And no, no limit breaks were used in the case I'm referring to. Once people get better at maximizing dps, there shouldn't be a problem with 3-4 healers. There's been many cases where I've faced off against 3-4 healers and have gotten both positive and negative results. Mostly just depends on the make-up of the team. By myself, it's obviously impossible. But with a group of people that knows how to use their dps's properly, it's totally possible. You can say it's not as many times as you like, but it really doesn't bother me.

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3 healers with idea of PvP vs 3 dps = no way to beat them, even doing your maximum dmg. But think w/e u want.

Its weird. I find the better stack is 2 healers 6 blms. If you get a group with 6 coordinated blms they will have 6 healers down in a few GCDs. If you can't stack blms which is so much win. Monks and Paladins need to each take a healer and have everyone burst from healer to healer. The interrupt rate when you have a monk or paladin on you is huge.

The real problems I see is 1) Learning curve for non stack groups is bigger. 2) more coordination from PUGs make people unhappy.

I had a good day today 12 wins and 2 losses. No group had more then 3 healers. Skilled Black Mages are God's of Destruction. Will there be a nerf probably. This much whining usally equals one. But it is not the be all end all strategy. If they required you could only change jobs in the starting area that might lower some of the complaints.

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Originally Posted by Edenlys

Take a look in arena ! You'll see how its unbalance even with hard matchmaking restriction...

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Actually arena is quite balanced assuming both sides have equal morale...I've had intense matches vs such teams and I miss those times because no one ques for it anymore :(

Edit: Sleep used to be a bit insane if you didn't use resist materia for it, but other than that it was very well balanced.

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Originally Posted by Vudus

3 healers with idea of PvP vs 3 dps = no way to beat them, even doing your maximum dmg. But think w/e u want.

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Good thing you can just view things in a vacuum.

Even though everyone seems to like to do that.