With airships and chocobos take away teleporting!

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Originally Posted by VydarrTyr

Maybe this is the fundamental disagreement here. I don't think that running for 30 minutes makes a task more challenging. It just increases the time required to complete it.

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I'm in favor of making aetherytes the only place your allowed to teleport, not removing anima.
If it takes more than 5 minutes to get to 1, then you either got lost/or occupied IRL.

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Originally Posted by VydarrTyr

[insert joke about yo momma being satisfied] :D

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Oh...no...you...didn't.

Yo momma is so fat, her nickname is “Damn.”

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Originally Posted by Morticous

Nobody is asking for teleportation to be removed..

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Err, have you read any posts besides your own? There are posts both above and below you arguing that teleporting should be removed from the game. If that takes too long -- oh, delicious irony -- here's the thread title:

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With airships and chocobos take away teleporting!

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So, you're wrong. Some people are asking for teleportation to be removed.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

You have all successfully taken this thread to fail lengths. Traveling is part of any fantasy adventure game.. While SE is at it why don't they just give me the best weapon in the game every time it comes out.. so I'm not inconvenienced by having to earn it.. because earning is stupid compared to getting shit handed to me. Nobody is asking for teleportation to be removed.. we are simply stating its too convenient. people are going to get BORED with this game and how easy it is to get things done... because its all going to be DONE. Leave 100 anima in the game.. but make us quest to get 100 anima... why hand everything over? Oh and when i get the best weapon in the game SE.. please also give me armor that makes me invincible because being killed is inconvenient and my party members don't like it :/.

IMO i think asking me to spend time to level up to rank 50 is a huge inconvenience so we should all be made rank 50 right off the bat.. so we don't have to waste time grinding.. because that would ruin my adventure. And at the beginning I should be able to type in a game genie code that just gives me everything so i can just zoom through the game and ruin everything in my way... because finding all those items on my own would be an inconvenience.. questing for anything or having to endure the environment to get to the quest even... instead of just 2 second warping all over the map... would be an inconvenience. Howabout just getting rid of all of the zones so there is no where to walk anyway? the came come be completely text base except for the boss fights.. THAT would be cool and convenient!

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/sigh

Couldn't resist the caps lock and exclamation points, could you?

You say "nobody is asking for teleportation to be removed." Well, who's asking for SE to start us at level 50? Who's asking for us to have the best weapons given to us? Who's asking for players to be made invincible?

Nobody. In fact, you're the only one that's mentioned them at all.

At this point, you're not even making an argument. You're just trying to be insulting.

In case you still don't understand what I'm saying, let me show you with another post in your style:

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Originally Posted by Me Imitating Morticous

Yeah, I'm totally tired of these noobs and casuals who want everything handed to them. SE should make it so that weaving a shirt takes a week. NMs should only spawn once, and when they're dead, they don't respawn. You should have to sleep for 8 hours of every game day. You should only be able to run for short distances before you have to stop and rest. You should have to eat in game, and if you can't log on for an extended period of time to make your character eat, he starves and dies. And when characters die, they should be wiped from the server forever. And why does it take just 45 minutes to run from one side of the world to the other? It should take years. In fact, maybe we should all just move in slow motion. Because taking longer to do something = more fun.

Right now, everything is way too easy in the game. I mean, I haven't actually killed any high level NMs yet. And I've only killed 4 of the low level NMs. And I'm only up to r38 in the main storyline quest. But trust me, when I do get around to it, they're going to be so easy.

The reason that I haven't done those things is because I haven't had time to level my jobs yet. Which is ironic, I guess, since I want every leve to take 4 hours. But whatever. If you can't dedicate at least 10 hours a day to this game, then you're lazy and a bad person and don't deserve to play the game. If they're so important, go back to your "job" and "family," loser.

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There. See how silly that is? See how unconvincing it is? If you've got an argument, feel free to make it. But if you're just going to tell me what I think, you're going to have a hard time actually winning that argument.

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Originally Posted by Jobeto-Rin

I'm in favor of making aetherytes the only place your allowed to teleport, not removing anima.
If it takes more than 5 minutes to get to 1, then you either got lost/or occupied IRL.

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That's interesting. I think there are some places that would take longer than 5 minutes to get to a crystal. But I've got to admit, I wouldn't raise a stink if they limited teleporting like you suggest. It would be a time sink, but not a huge one. I could live with that.

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Oh...no...you...didn't.

Yo momma is so fat, her nickname is “Damn.”

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LOL

Yo momma is so skinny, she has to wear a belt with spandex pants. :D

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LOL

Yo momma is so skinny, she has to wear a belt with spandex pants. :D

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lol lol lol i had to +1

Yo momma’s so big, when you climb on top of her your ears pop.

I say, make more use of anima. Like, whenever you die you lose 1 anima or/and you use 1 anima to do a dungeon, etc.! (something like that)

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lol lol lol i had to +1

Yo momma’s so big, when you climb on top of her your ears pop.

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Yo momma's so fat, that she need 100 anima to teleport anywhere.

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Yo momma's so fat, that she need 100 anima to teleport anywhere.

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lol

Yo momma so fat, she is a grand company.

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Yo momma’s so big, when you climb on top of her your ears pop.

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Yo momma's so fat, that she need 100 anima to teleport anywhere.

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Yo momma so fat, she is a grand company.

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Genius. You folks are killing me.

Yo momma so hairy, when she dies, she drops a +3 pelt.

I think anima should have never even been conceived in this game. Then we wouldn't have to have this argument...

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Originally Posted by Mugiwara

I think anima should have never even been conceived in this game. Then we wouldn't have to have this argument...

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Yo momma so stupid, she argues with herself and thinks she's winning

Edit: lol I'm sorry it was open.

I said nobody.. and that guy you quoted is nobody to me (Actually I don't know who it is (Joke)). But your taking my comments and generalizing them with that guys poor suggestion.. I did not say I wanted to abolish teleporting.. but teleporting as we know it right now in FFXIV is stupid and asinine. Oh and btw.. "Where the frack is my indestructible armor? im sick of dying! its so inconvenient!" This is what you and your followers sound like.. constantly whining about how long shit takes and how its too hard and we need to know mob levels up front and if they aggro and OMG i cant figure out enmity on my own i need a gauge... This is how an Adventure game works.. especially Final Fantasy.. so when people who love final fantasy come to play Final Fantasy.. this is what they expect... Generally anyway. After getting all of the rest of this hand holding bullshit.. we may as well take everything else remotely challenging out of the game and just make it a powder puff fest.. Wah Wah, if ANima (Which is clearly a fail attempt at throwing something in until chocobos and airships are put in) is gone I'll actually have to walk, chocobo or use an airship.. and it will take 5 minutes. Wah wah boo wahh...

I do not want to ruin your game, I simply don't want to play "Final Fantasy Fail" and I dont see how you guys cant meet us in the middle and add in quests for extra anima. or any other idea we've had. There is a reason most of the population that came to play is gone and part of it is THIS CRAP. YOU guys have no imagination. Try taking ADD meds.

There is a reason that people in XI carried warp cudgels and whatnot along with using outpost warps, chocobos and airships/ferries. With the new encampments and other additions to the game there might be more uses for chocobos and hoofing it around. Chocobos will probably be more useful once the smaller towns become more relevant.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARghlVjBab0

This is how FFXIV should be, full of adventure. no more safety nets, just plain ol danger and adventure. done. Running to Valkurm at rank 10? what a challenge! Traveling to jeuno at level 18? man... what an accomplishment! learning teleport? so nice.. Getting handed anima since day 1? STUPID. Can we please also paint every zone in FFXIV gray as well? The colors are really inconvenient because they make my PC lag.

Thanks

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I said nobody.. and that guy you quoted is nobody to me (Actually I don't know who it is (Joke)). But your taking my comments and generalizing them with that guys poor suggestion.. I did not say I wanted to abolish teleporting.. but teleporting as we know it right now in FFXIV is stupid and asinine. Oh and btw.. "Where the frack is my indestructible armor? im sick of dying! its so inconvenient!" This is what you and your followers sound like.. constantly whining about how long shit takes and how its too hard and we need to know mob levels up front and if they aggro and OMG i cant figure out enmity on my own i need a gauge... This is how an Adventure game works.. especially Final Fantasy.. so when people who love final fantasy come to play Final Fantasy.. this is what they expect... Generally anyway. After getting all of the rest of this hand holding bullshit.. we may as well take everything else remotely challenging out of the game and just make it a powder puff fest.. Wah Wah, if ANima (Which is clearly a fail attempt at throwing something in until chocobos and airships are put in) is gone I'll actually have to walk, chocobo or use an airship.. and it will take 5 minutes. Wah wah boo wahh...

I do not want to ruin your game, I simply don't want to play "Final Fantasy Fail" and I dont see how you guys cant meet us in the middle and add in quests for extra anima. or any other idea we've had. There is a reason most of the population that came to play is gone and part of it is THIS CRAP. YOU guys have no imagination. Try taking ADD meds.

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How does the fact that I choose to use the majority of my 2 hour game session to party, fight, craft and farm and the minority of my 2 hour game session traveling interfere with you choosing to use the majority of your 2 hour game session traveling and the minority of your 2 hour game session partying, crafting, fighting, farming?

Why should the option to travel fast be removed from us when you already have the choice to not travel fast if you prefer?

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Originally Posted by Morticous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARghlVjBab0Running to Valkurm at rank 10? what a challenge! Traveling to jeuno at level 18? man... what an accomplishment!

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No one is trying to stop you from doing those things, why are you trying to stop others from traveling there in other ways?

When I have one or two hours to play, I would like to use that time to play in a party for example, not use the limited time I have in getting to the party.

If you would like to use your game-time traveling instead of actually partying, go do so, no one at all is going to try to stop you.

Longterm when everyone is bored of this game because of all the hand holding and nobody (including me) except for you (including that other guy) wish there were people playing but there is not (except you two) and there is no point in playing anymore, this is how anima ruins the game for me (and everyone else (except for you two clearly)). People played (and still play) FFXI religiously almost to the very end (until SE ruined it), People leave Wow every day for other games but once they find they SUCK just as bad they feel they might as well go back to Wow where they already have time invested. The route this game is taking will end up being one of those crappy games that fail miserably to wow (Like AoC).. and I bet people will STILL be playing FFXI (which started before AoC and is still in play even though AoC is now FTP (if it is even running anymore)).

I still think we should have teleport's but i think they should do away with anima and make people pay for ports.

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Longterm when everyone is bored of this game because of all the hand holding and nobody (including me) except for you (including that other guy) wish there were people playing but there is not (except you two) and there is no point in playing anymore, this is how anima ruins the game for me (and everyone else (except for you two clearly)). People played (and still play) FFXI religiously almost to the very end (until SE ruined it), People leave Wow every day for other games but once they find they SUCK just as bad they feel they might as well go back to Wow where they already have time invested. The route this game is taking will end up being one of those crappy games that fail miserably to wow (Like AoC).. and I bet people will STILL be playing FFXI (which started before AoC and is still in play even though AoC is now FTP (if it is even running anymore)).

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What you do not understand is that more people will play a game when they can actually log on and play the game in the time they have to play.

When most of their time will be spent traveling in order to be able to play the game, that is when fewer people will want to play because they will not have the time left to play the game - it was all spent on traveling.

*Clicks the dislike button* Anima isn't an unlimited resource. People have been begging for chocos and airships, not just 'cause they're cool, but because we run out of anima quickly. Therefore there is NO need to take teleporting away. Its hardly as though we'll never use chocos and airships just because we can teleport. Even people who HAVE anima like to save it in case they REALLY need to get somewhere in a hot hurry, and thus wont even wait until they've run out to utilize chocobos or airships.

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What you do not understand is that more people will play a game when they can actually log on and play the game in the time they have to play.

When people realize when they log on most of their time will be spent traveling in order to be able to play the game, that is when fewer people will want to play.

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Yeah except for all the people who are still traveling in FFXI and have been for like 9 years. Its called earning things like a warp cudgel and doing quests for OP posting man.. im not saying you shouldnt have an easy way to travel, what i am saying is you should just have to do a little work to get it(more then having a friend or simply stumbling upon a TP crystal). All of these things give us more things to do in game? dont people want more things to do in game? why is this not a good solution to what some of us see as problem? Not only do you still get to have all of your anima (and maybe even MORE after you earn it) but you actually have something to do in game instead of killing 3 second pop NMs all day long... your easy travel is THERE you just have to take it! instead of just having it shoved down your throat. I'm sure you will find one sentence out of this paragraph though and twist it to your liking.. that's what you've been doing anyways.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

*Clicks the dislike button* Anima isn't an unlimited resource. People have been begging for chocos and airships, not just 'cause they're cool, but because we run out of anima quickly. Therefore there is NO need to take teleporting away. Its hardly as though we'll never use chocos and airships just because we can teleport. Even people who HAVE anima like to save it in case they REALLY need to get somewhere in a hot hurry, and thus wont even wait until they've run out to utilize chocobos or airships.

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I agree with what your saying. BUT if they keep anima make it like it was before they lowered the cost even more. Like when it cost 12 anima to port to some places we need to be able to make people wanna use choco's it got to a point even on FF11 where OP warps > choco's cause they lowered the cost of warps. Even after i had enough warps Ariships and choco's was a waste of time.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ARghlVjBab0

This is how FFXIV should be, full of adventure. no more safety nets, just plain ol danger and adventure. done. Running to Valkurm at rank 10? what a challenge! Traveling to jeuno at level 18? man... what an accomplishment! learning teleport? so nice.. Getting handed anima since day 1? STUPID. Can we please also paint every zone in FFXIV gray as well? The colors are really inconvenient because they make my PC lag.

Thanks

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Sorry, but spending hours trekking over the same old landscape a zillion times when I'd rather be fighting or making something is NOT my idea of adventure. Running to Valkurm at lvl 10 was only an 'adventure' the very first time you do it. After that you've learned the path and what to avoid and its easy and time-consuming and dull. The teleport system still makes us make that very first adventurous journey, but saves us from the dull repetition of this journey.

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Yeah except for all the people who are still traveling in FFXI and have been for like 9 years. Its called earning things like a warp cudgel and doing quests for OP posting man.. im not saying you shouldnt have an easy way to travel, what i am saying is you should just have to do a little work to get it(more then having a friend or simply stumbling upon a TP crystal). All of these things give us more things to do in game? dont people want more things to do in game? why is this not a good solution to what some of us see as problem? Not only do you still get to have all of your anima (and maybe even MORE after you earn it) but you actually have something to do in game instead of killing 3 second pop NMs all day long... your easy travel is THERE you just have to take it! instead of just having it shoved down your throat. I'm sure you will find one sentence out of this paragraph though and twist it to your liking.. that's what you've been doing anyways.

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No one is shoving anything down your throat.

You can opt to not use any anima at all if you wish.

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Originally Posted by Firon

we need to be able to make people wanna use choco's.

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Why do you need ME to ride a choco?

How is me choosing to use anima instead of riding a chocobo going to affect YOUR gameplay?

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Originally Posted by Firon

I agree with what your saying. BUT if they keep anima make it like it was before they lowered the cost even more. Like when it cost 12 anima to port to some places we need to be able to make people wanna use choco's it got to a point even on FF11 where OP warps > choco's cause they lowered the cost of warps. Even after i had enough warps Ariships and choco's was a waste of time.

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You must not port around much. During any period of consistent play, I run around with an average of 0 anima. Even after they lowered port costs I've been running on foot lamenting the lack of chocobos. So why not SEE how much chocos get used or not, rather than changing port costs based on speculation?

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Originally Posted by Crica

No one is shoving anything down your throat.

You can opt to not use any anima at all if you wish.

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I hope your a solo player because with a mindset like this your going to be the only one playing this game 6 months from now (if it makes it that far).

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Originally Posted by Morticous

I hope your a solo player because with a mindset like this your going to be the only one playing this game 6 months from now (if it makes it that far).

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Care to elaborate?

I fail to see how me using anima during my gametime affects your gametime in anyway at all.

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Originally Posted by Punainen

You must not port around much. During any period of consistent play, I run around with an average of 0 anima. Even after they lowered port costs I've been running on foot lamenting the lack of chocobos. So why not SEE how much chocos get used or not, rather than changing port costs based on speculation?

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Clearly you abuse the already generous traveling system. I've played all day and never used all of my anima.. Usually don't get below 70.

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Originally Posted by Crica

Why do you need ME to ride a choco?

How is me choosing to use anima instead of riding a chocobo going to affect YOUR gameplay?

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Cause there is no point of them being in the game if no one is gonna use them. Also if your are gonna quote use the whole thing.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Cause there is no point of them being in the game if no one is gonna use them. Also if your are gonna quote use the whole thing.

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Players who have very little game time will use anima to travel, players with more gametime will use chocobos to travel because all of their anima will be gone.

Players will use chocobos.

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Originally Posted by Crica

Care to elaborate?

I fail to see how me using anima affects you in anyway at all.

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None of the comment that you quoted said anything about me. I'm simply pointing out that everyone is going to get really bored of this game quick if we keep making it as casual as you would like it to be. I'm sure there will be a handful of people still playing.. but it will never live up to FFXI's reputation. And 9 years of this??? FFXIV will never last half that if it continues to be as casual as it is now and becoming.

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Originally Posted by Firon

Cause there is no point of them being in the game if no one is gonna use them. Also if your are gonna quote use the whole thing.

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Plenty of people will use them whether you use them or not. And plenty of people will use them whether they still have anima or not. I have many friends who run everywhere on foot because they have this weird obsession with keeping as much anima as possible in the unlikely event that they might need to port all over the place suddenly. And there's those who just like to keep some saved up. And then there's people like me who don't have all day to run around and end up spending it all in a week.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

None of the comment that you quoted said anything about me. I'm simply pointing out that everyone is going to get really bored of this game quick if we keep making it as casual as you would like it to be. I'm sure there will be a handful of people still playing.. but it will never live up to FFXI's reputation. And 9 years of this??? FFXIV will never last half that if it continues to be as casual as it is now and becoming.

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Being forced to spend hours running =/= hardcore gameplay.

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Originally Posted by Morticous

None of the comment that you quoted said anything about me. I'm simply pointing out that everyone is going to get really bored of this game quick if we keep making it as casual as you would like it to be. I'm sure there will be a handful of people still playing.. but it will never live up to FFXI's reputation. And 9 years of this??? FFXIV will never last half that if it continues to be as casual as it is now and becoming.

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The game caters to casual playing by including options for players who have very little time to play.

What does that have to do with the game being "boring"?

"Boring" is a personal opinion.

What is "boring" for me - traveling - is not "boring" for you.

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You must not port around much. During any period of consistent play, I run around with an average of 0 anima. Even after they lowered port costs I've been running on foot lamenting the lack of chocobos. So why not SEE how much chocos get used or not, rather than changing port costs based on speculation?

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I Still agree with you tho i think both arguments are right in a sense but people not using another feature over another is bad design. I also feel like if people do not wanna ride yellow birds they should make you pay to recharge anima kinda how you pay to recharge the rings from star ocean.

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I Still agree with you tho i think both arguments are right in a sense but people not using another feature over another is bad design. I also feel like if people do not wanna ride yellow birds they should make you pay to recharge anima kinda how you pay to recharge the rings from star ocean.

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Your concern was already addressed.

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Players who have very little game time will use anima to travel, players with more gametime will use chocobos to travel because all of their anima will be gone.

Players will use chocobos.

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Being forced to spend hours running =/= hardcore gameplay.

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This is only one small part of it.. you really think im only talking about anima when i say all this casual play?

@Crica - People who don't know better will abuse the anima (as well as the other casual features being implemented), quickly get through the game and get bored. Have you not lived on this earth for more then 15 years? look around you, more then half the world doesn't know wtf they are doing on a daily basis, most of these people need to be told what to do in order to get through life safely. Unless we prevent it from happening, its going to happen. why cant we just put a quest in for? why? why cant we? why wont you answer that question? you dont want more questing? Its not like the quest has to have a boss at the end of it with 99999 Health or something before you can have 100+ anima. Its just a creative way in giving us anima as well as something to do in game. why do you keep ignoring this? why?

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People who don't know better will abuse the anima

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You can't abuse 6 anima a day, no matter how hard you try.

You can't use anima/port with anyone until you have unlocked the aetheryte you are going to port to is all that is needed.

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most of these people need to be told what to do in order to get through life safely.

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Wonder which came first, the adult or the child? (chicken or egg)?

Hehe off topic, but couldn't resist!

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You can't abuse 6 anima a day, no matter how hard you try.

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with the way things are going soon you will be accruing 20 anima a day and then 100 a day... and some how you will find a way to accrue 101 a day even though you can only hold 100. they are already making return cost 0 anima.. how lame is that? Nobody goes into a dangerous zone without having to escape OR DIE.. that's simply lame.

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with the way things are going soon you will be accruing 20 anima a day

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Devs have not said they are changing the anima regen rate.

As it stands right now, 6 anima a day can not be abused.