The High Grade of Immaturity is Astonishing

I don't know what it is but I don't have issues with struggling parties or immaturity.

I don't mean that I don't experience them, its just that they don't bother me personally. Dungeons have time limits which give me the deadline for going as far as I can. I use duty finder often and sure I've met plenty of "bad" players as well as folks that want to sling insults, but it just doesn't get to me. When we win or the time limit is done, I don't have to talk to them anymore and with all of the gil selling spam, /blist add "xxx" has become almost muscle memory.

Moreso than poor players and bad behavior do I find that there is a larger issue with social effort and personal patience.

So you like interacting with others but don't want to go through content with friends?

what?

The primal aren't hard at all. If they end up being nerfed that will be a bad sign form this game's future.

These days MMO's are so casualized and so watered down, that many people have more fun trolling all the trollable people than they do playing the game. It was less of an Issue in FFXI, but FFXI was a lot harder of a game in it's glory days. It's a bigger issue in wow... but look at wow... anyone can play wow and raid and get bis gear.

The more open a game is, the more casual people play it and the more trolls they encounter. It's natural cause and effect in action.

I try to be a nice guy as well, these are just my basic observations over the last decade. The more cookie cooker/easy the game is, the more the troll effect takes effect.

I mean think of it like the sport of baseball. If you force the Pro players to play T Ball with 5 year olds, what do you think will happen? They will troll the crap out of them, make fun of the game, the people playing it etc.. Now if the Pro players can stay in the major's and the 5yo's stay in TBall you have less of an issue.

Human Psychology 101.

Now usually, like players unite and form clicks, just like people form clicks at lunch tables in High School, or any social event in general. Now the duty finder makes this interesting because it doesn't respect a click (how could it) and just throws people together. So there is a clash of player types.

I laugh at verbal abuse.

There's nothing they can say that I would take serious. Nothing. You just gotta be tough.

I would say communities have devolved since our earliest mmo's. Mainly because they are so much more accessible to all types of players and have become more popular. My earliest mmo was EQ. Since then everything has changed from a slow gradual pace to "now now now!!" I just stay patient and polite, but thats how I was raised to treat people.

Thing is, bad words and insults only hurt you as much as you let them. I generally try not to as it tends to generate needless drama, but if you just stop caring about what one random guy typed at you out of anger, you'll be much happier. If they don't stop spamming you, you can blist them for the simple sake of being able to see your chat log. If they keep bugging you outside of tells and chat, that's when you should call for a GM and report harassment.

Nostalgia Glasses: Everyone on other games is helpful, this game has a horrible community.

Reality Vision: Elitists are on every MMO. Every mmo has a bad community.

Some of my best DF dungeon runs have been with first timers. Granted I had to explain every little bit of the dungeon (Well... mostly just the bosses) in extreme detail but I fully understand that everyone, including myself, had to start somewhere. I don't get mad at people for not researching fights beforehand either because I myself prefer to learn from experience or at least from in-game players that I can converse with.

I really don't like this age of everyone expecting everyone else to go meticulously research every single fight and every single detail of every fight online before even trying. The worst part is that, and I'd be willing to put Gil on it, the vast majority of the people expecting everyone else to "have experience" or "know the fight" probably had no experience and/or little to no knowledge of the fight when the did it their first time.

Half the fun for a lot of us is learning by doing and experiencing something for the first time without having everything spoiled for us. Now, don't get me wrong, I totally understand that it can be HIGHLY annoying and downright rage inducing to have people queue up for things and have literally no idea what's going on or what to do but really, if you don't want to deal with that or the possibility of that, you shouldn't use the Duty Finder. Either you shouldn't use the Duty Finder or you should be willing to ask at the start of every DF instance if it's someone's first time and be willing to explain EXACTLY what to do. First timers or people with questions should also take responsibility for speaking up when they enter a DF instance.

I feel like I should also add that's there always a difference between a bad player and an inexperienced player. Obviously there are players that are both terri-bad and inexperienced but being inexperienced never automatically means someone is a "bad" player. I rarely get mad at inexperienced players but I definitely do my fair share of raging at, on or about bad players.

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Originally Posted by Rythless

By your own logic it should also be common sense not to aggro shit, come prepared to dungeons (i.e. not come to Titan with a GC weapon and wearing full AF), and generally learn what to do in each dungeon. I don't get why a majority of people are like that...stupid.

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I understand what you mean, but i (and there are more people) like to not get spoiled from Videos/Guides and want to get surprised from Content in a Dungeon, even if it ends in a wipe. You can always continue/start again. Same with other Games. I hate reading Guides before i experienced it myself without knowing what happens next. Like Sub-Xero said - learning by doing. The aggro thing just happens. Its happens to the best of the best of the best. Its not like were walking into mobs on purpose to wipe everyone. (there ARE exceptions of course) Some just do it to troll ppl.