Calculated optimal Myth spending for BRDs

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Originally Posted by Eckoh

actually bards have multiple skills not on the GCD...

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Do those multiple skills add up to 40% of your damage output? That's a lot! No wonder skill speed rates so low.

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The reason crit is so strong is because dot crits can reset the cooldown on bloodletter which is off the GCD,

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Tell me more!

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Also if you look a large portion of my damage i based on my dots which are not at all effected by skill speed

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Fascinating. Are you sure your DOTs aren't affected by skill speed? Can't you cast your DOTs sooner if you have higher skill speed?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Do those multiple skills add up to 40% of your damage output? That's a lot! No wonder skill speed rates so low.



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Fascinating. Are you sure your DOTs aren't affected by skill speed? Can't you cast your DOTs sooner if you have higher skill speed?

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dots have an 18 second duration which is not speed up by skills speed so they is no bonus to them. Blood letter is off the GCD so skill speed again has no effect. Misery's end off the GCD.. the dots plus bloodletter and Misery's end did 37128 of that 103623 damage parse, which is nearly 40%.

River of blood is an archer trait that makes it so when Venomous Bit or Windbit crit there is a 50% chance that Bloodletter's cooldown is reset. There is no limit to how often that can happen.

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Awesome. With 65 skill speed I can see how you adroitly manage either a 92% uptime on your DOTs if you use 6 GCDs of filler in between them (consuming 14.61 seconds), or you clip them by 1 tick. Which approach did you choose to achieve that much DPS?

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there is MUCH more to it then that. Sometimes you clip sometimes you let them fall off because of cooldowns. Bards have 5 different DPS cooldowns that manage while doing everything else. Dots in this game take a snapshot of your stats when they are applied. So you want as much power on them as possible. So you let the dots with +40% damage on them tick all the way off where as you will clip the ones that you put up when you had a mana song going as soon as you turn off mana song.

There is no cut and dry of it. To be a top end bard there is so much micro managment you do just for your skills to do the most damage while making sure you healers have mana before they are calling out for it while using the songs for a short of a period as possible.

That parse was from one of teh easy runs, when my group sells titan we normally 1 heal it so we can carry 2 people at a time. So i manage the WHMs mana while still topping the chart damage wise. People constantly say bards are so simple, well any window licker can play any class in this game but there is a VAST difference in what any player in a top 5 world guild and some random pug you see ginding fate will do.

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Originally Posted by Eckoh

dots have an 18 second duration

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Awesome. With 65 skill speed I can see how you adroitly manage either a 92% uptime on your DOTs if you use 6 GCDs of filler in between them (consuming 14.61 seconds), or you clip them by 1 tick. Which approach did you choose to achieve that much DPS?

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Originally Posted by EasymodeX

Awesome. With 65 skill speed I can see how you adroitly manage either a 92% uptime on your DOTs if you use 6 GCDs of filler in between them (consuming 14.61 seconds), or you clip them by 1 tick. Which approach did you choose to achieve that much DPS?

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Dear dumbass I will say this again, bards do not have a choice between gear with SS and another stat and gear with SS and acc. The reason why SS is as worthless as it is is because it is paired with acc almost all the time, which unlike dragoons bards do not even have to try to get capped. So you can keep praising SS all you want(even though you do not have a bard) but at the end of the day even if SS was worth mentioning the fact that it is paired with acc which is a 100% wasted stat after having it on more than half our gear means you get gear that you will have wasted stats on(the acc), where as any other piece without acc on it does not have SS either.

Sure I could gimp myself and get full SS gear just to make SS look good but then i'd be losing out on far more than just secondary stats.

I just... I feel like I'm on the WoW forums all over again. Someone is posting with math and logic, and people are just raging and going on tangents left and right, completely missing the point and utterly failing at refuting it. It also appears that Eckoh's sarcasm detector is broken, maybe he should be gearing for that instead...

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Originally Posted by PessimiStick

I just... I feel like I'm on the WoW forums all over again. Someone is posting with math and logic, and people are just raging and going on tangents left and right, completely missing the point and utterly failing at refuting it. It also appears that Eckoh's sarcasm detector is broken, maybe he should be gearing for that instead...

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are ignorant or trolling?? because everything his "spreadsheet" shows have been disproven with lengthy explanations.

Math and logic that have no merit when it is impossible to reach the stats needed to see a noticeable difference over other secondary stats. Please look at our ilvl 90 bard gear and show just exactly how many pieces of it have SS and a secondary stat other than acc......because outside of a single piece or 2 they simply do not exist. There is no "just take the SS and acc gear" when so much of our gear is loaded with it by the time anyone even gets in coil as a bard all they'll want to do is get rid of it, it's bad when full DL gear puts us more than 60 acc over the cap and there is nothing we can do about it other than spend myth tomes or start getting coil drops.

If we could get a meaningful amount of SS without getting acc on the gear then sure it may be worth mentioning, but that is impossible with current drops and myth items. Putting weight on SS without playing the class or knowing about the stats on our gear isn't giving anything more than bad information.

welp, Eckoh's gear and parses have won me over. I'm gonna see if I can squeeze some more crit in

This dude has a level 8 archer. Are you guys seriously going to listen to his numbers? There are so many variables when it comes to maximizing Bard DPS. The weighting is arbitrary at best.

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Originally Posted by ChanceSkeleton

This dude has a level 8 archer. Are you guys seriously going to listen to his numbers? There are so many variables when it comes to maximizing Bard DPS. The weighting is arbitrary at best.

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Ya kinda noticed that one after my last post where more than half of his posts have just been trolling various threads. Felt derpy a little after noticing I've been arguing with nothing more than a troll that can pull numbers from other peoples post and call them his own.