Which HEALER do you prefer?

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Originally Posted by chishi

SCH when I'm on PLD since the damage reduction of PLD makes the most out of the shields (I assume). I also prefer healing PLDs on my SCH. WAR and WHM seem to work nicely together.

Also the less threat from SCH lets me keep up with my DPS on trash pulls.

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Nope. The shields we Scholars put out are not in any way effected by the mitigation of your stats. Our shields are calculated completely separately and, for all intents and purposes, "Raw," and before any other factors enter. So, they're the first things to take the hit and recieve no other bonuses to their mitigation.

I will say, though, that it'll feel like it since once the shield's down, whatever its remainder blocked + your natural mitigation is a rather lovely feeling.

As long as you know what you are doing, I'll love any healers. :)

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Originally Posted by Kusumura

Nope. The shields we Scholars put out are not in any way effected by the mitigation of your stats. Our shields are calculated completely separately and, for all intents and purposes, "Raw," and before any other factors enter. So, they're the first things to take the hit and recieve no other bonuses to their mitigation.

I will say, though, that it'll feel like it since once the shield's down, whatever its remainder blocked + your natural mitigation is a rather lovely feeling.

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If its before mitigation, then Adloquiem and Stoneskin are terrible.

Example:
Mob X deals 2k damage.
Tank Y mitigates 60% and takes 800 damage from Mob X.

Before mitigation:
Scholar Z's adloquiem absorbs 600 damage.
Tank Y takes 560 damage from Mob X.

Post mitigation:
Scholar Z's adloquiem absorbs 600 damage.
Tank Y takes 200 damage from Mob X.

I am 99% sure that these skills are post mitigation. The damage absorption is post block/parry, too. I've seen enough attacks that would normally break through adloquiem, get reduced to 0 because of parry.

As a warrior I have to say I really love sch healers so far. They don't pull much threat, their shield is really nice, and their pet has saved my life on more than one occasion when the player wasn't paying attention. Mind you these are just my opinions, I'm not saying anything about the math or this or that, I just find I feel much more secure with scholar healers.

I like.. good healers. A Healer that is aware of hate-managment and his possibilities of healing is always good, no matter which job.

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Originally Posted by Shyluv

They will all say SCH cause it doesn't pull as much hate. :p

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no only paladins will say SCH for they got shit agro. a warrior on the other hand dont care we dont even care if the dps AoE or ST one mob each we can maintain agro on everything we just take so much damage that we are no better then another DPS class ...

im a warrior, i prefer sch because they have awesome aoe cooldown and lustrate
i hate whm because a lot of them are spaming medica even when everyone hp is still full...

Do you have a source for this?

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Originally Posted by Kusumura

Nope. The shields we Scholars put out are not in any way effected by the mitigation of your stats. Our shields are calculated completely separately and, for all intents and purposes, "Raw," and before any other factors enter. So, they're the first things to take the hit and recieve no other bonuses to their mitigation.

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I think your info is false.

The shields are, essentially, extra hit points. The shields will be affected by whatever defense/damage mitigation values your character has. Therefore, the shields (both SCH shields via heals and WHM Stoneskin) will get more bang-for-the-buck on a high-defense character versus a low-defense character.

Yes, the shields are the first thing to be subtracted when taking damage; they are just a "buffer" of additional hit points on top of your current hit points. But once the shield is applied, they will be reduced based on your mitigation stats. I have not observed these to be "unmitigated" hit points.

I cannot say for certain, but it feels like the shields I cast serve as bonus health, which get damaged based on the mitigation of the person shielded. They hold up better on tanks than they do on non-tanks, though whether or not this is because of blocking, evading, and parrying I cannot say. Since I'm not a tank, I really have no business being here but was curious. As a Scholar I don't really have a preference on who I enjoy healing the most. I will say Warriors make me feel like a god when I cast Lustrate, whereas Paladins make Succor seem more appealing.

I wanted to level WHM and PLD respectively, but these threat issues people are speaking of concern me deeply. It sounds like paladin tanks have a rough time building hate, and white mages have a difficult time not getting punched in the face.