Please buff Succor.

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Originally Posted by Tinker

That said, Succor has a place. Not a very big place, and usually only after you get a free proc of it. I honestly have no problem with its potency, but the cost for what it does is rather high.

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... and we have no almost no other alternatives for that place succor struggles to fill, other than single target healing as many people as possible as fast as possible.

Succor's lack of potency is what makes the MP cost too high for what it does. Cutting the MP cost in half, doesn't really fix the above problem.

Succor's problem is its our only aoe healing tool and its designed as damage prevention spell.
So we end up forced to spam a 150 potency aoe heal for 400 mp each.
Sch is victim of the 5 abilities only for each job design flaw


We could of got another aoe healing tool which is more designed to be an aoe heal rather then dmg prevention tool.

They should of split succor into 2 spells for sch.
A medica clone 300 potency aoe heal.
An aoe 150 potency shield (similar to old aoe stoneskin).

Or

Give sch an instant off gcd ability that detonates all current adloquium shields on targets for equivalent healing.

So a sch could do
succor>off-gcd shield detonate>succor>off-gcd shield detonate>succor>off-gcd shield detonate
which would be equivilant hps to a whm doing
medica>medica>medica

That's a good idea, to make it fair and balanced it can be an of-gcd aetherflow based skill that swaps the shield into healing, and maybe gives it a 1.5x times effectiveness. With maybe a 15 sec cooldown. It can be applied before casting a heal as a buff for the next spell. This would turn our aoe heal into a 375 potency heal at the cost of (?)400 mp and an aetherflow stack. I think this would be pretty fair and balanced.

This way we can do succor -> succor + buff -> succor and not have a wasted shield in the middle.

Scholar has little to none MP problem so I don't mind if the ability cost more than WHM equivalent.
If they give Scholar AoE heal, it will be come superior to WHM. Same heal, have pet, no mp and threat problem.....It shouldn't be that way.
Succor serves as a pre-shield. It is supposed to compliment not to compete against Medica.
Thou I do agree its mechanic can be more interesting. Make Physick or Aldo crit procs a buff that double the shield of Succor in the next 10-15 sec.
Also Sacred Soil should be changed. It should give an extra effect for one of Scholar ability if the Scholar is standing on it, instead of a weak 15% proc chance.
Last but not least, a lot of people say about manually control Embrace. While it is good, i feel that the manual cast from pet is fine. It will heal whoever need i. I would rather manually control her cooldowns than control her Embrace.

To me Medica is a post-hit AoE heal
and Succor is more a pre-emptive AoE buff

If everybody is low on HP the combination of Succor and Medica is great to get everybody in shape but Succor alone is not for recovering health so much I thin

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Originally Posted by Miridori

Scholar has little to none MP problem so I don't mind if the ability cost more than WHM equivalent.

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WHM don't have MP problems either. Even less so with a bard in full parties.

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Originally Posted by Miridori

If they give Scholar AoE heal, it will be come superior to WHM. Same heal, have pet, no mp and threat problem.....It shouldn't be that way.

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I just mentioned WHM do not have MP problems. SCH can't stack shields, and regen stacking from medica ii+regen is still really powerful. Last I checked, no one here is asking to have cure iii, medica ii, or regen which really puts WHM over the top in AOE healing. So no, SCH getting the normal, HOT-less medica isn't going to make WHM useless.

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Originally Posted by Miridori

Succor serves as a pre-shield. It is supposed to compliment not to compete against Medica.

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It doesn't do much else besides that very well since it'll take twice as long, and twice the MP to heal as much as medica. It's just bad for AOE.

Yes, well-gear WHM will have little mana issue. But in a long draw fight they will get low and they cannot spam as much as scholar.

I agree stacking regen is very strong and it is the reason 2 WHM is viable. However, giving scholar instant AoE heal will make 2 scholars very potent as well (because of their pets), might be even stronger than 1 scholar 1 whm (might be). I liek class diversity and I like classes to have strength and weakness.

Are we able to do all the 4 man content perfectly fine?
Are we valuable to 8-man as much as people will prefer 1 scholar/1 whm than 2 whm?

If the answer are both yes, I see no problem in our current position.

Then whats WHM weakness? A good group will include BRD, so mana conversation is moot. In any game with stats growth, any class with higher output will be favored on the long run since the initial resource constraint will eventually be relaxed/overcome with higher tier gears, unless the devs constantly tweak their game (which is, face it, unlikely as we are dealing with SE here). Meanwhile, an AoE-crippled SCH is ever crippled regardless of his/her gear.

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To me Medica is a post-hit AoE heal
and Succor is more a pre-emptive AoE buff

If everybody is low on HP the combination of Succor and Medica is great to get everybody in shape but Succor alone is not for recovering health so much I thin

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No, its not preemptive at all. You need HP lost to create a shield and since succor produces additional shield instead of straight heal, your healed targets are still at HP-loss states, which require ANOTHER AoE heal to top up (from WHM or from the pet w/ huge CD) as 2 Succor in succession is a waste. The only situation where succor s favoured is constant AoE damage fight, but in that scenario Medica 2 with regen works wonder still (as shield potency is only 150). So in its current state, succor is way behind medica/medica 2 in term of usability and requires complete redesign if SCH ever hope to compete against WHM's AoE healing.

Succor is NOT preemptive healing. Its a gimmick AoE heal with limited use, but sadly the only AOE heal in a SCH's asernal ATM since the pet is bugged beyond redemption.

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Originally Posted by Miridori

If the answer are both yes, I see no problem in our current position.

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Different classes are different I know, but you can't validate one class being at least 100% better than another class in a situation they're both expected to deal with, which is what the issue is now. Aoe damage tends to happen in bursts, and not all aoe is like the first boss of AV. Shield is moot after the hit, and all succor becomes is less than half a medica. It's arguably better for a SCH to just divert their attention and heal people individually with how bad succor is.

You see nothing wrong with un-intuative pet control, and damn-near useless aoe heal?

You see nothing wrong in a SCH not really being necessary? You think there's something wrong with 2 SCH in a full party actually being decent for once? Because 2 WHM are beyond decent, and that's apparently acceptable to you, but 2 SCH with medica would suddenly break the game? Shield's don't stack, and regens do. Please convince me how 2 SCH with medica would be broken.

From your post, the answer to both these questions seem to be yes, so I very much doubt we're playing the same game here. SCH have tools that do not work/are not useful/cannot be counted on majority of the time. Classes shouldn't be balanced around tools that don't work.

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Originally Posted by kronpas

You need HP lost to create a shield

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Succor/Adloq make a shield when you're at full hp... Might wanna check up on your SCH mechanics

That said, succor still needs a buff for reasons others have already stated.m