Need Help with Bard Extra Skills

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

You get in so many bloodletters that your TP isn't really an issue unless you're spamming aoes.

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why are you bringing up bloodletters? they have nothing to do with TP consumption, they are off the GCD and you use them in between your other skills >.>

Haymaker procs quite often with Featherfoot on and can give a nice bit of burst dps especially when soloing, questing, or chasing FATEs, and even during bosses when dealing with adds. I prefer Haymaker over Blood for Blood simply because Haymaker procs often enough even without Featherfoot.

I have the following macro that I found to work very well. *Warning, this is off the top of my head and probably has a typo/error. Not sure if my order is optimal but it seems to work well.

/macroicon "Heavyshot"
/ac "Barrage" <me>
/ac "Haymaker" <t>
/ac "Misery's End" <t>
/ac "Bloodletter" <t>
/ac "Featherfoot" <me>
/ac "Heavyshot" <t>


I usually start off with a Straight Shot, DoTs, then mash this macro button until I see Straight Shot proc or I need to reapply DoTs. I also have a buff macro with Internal Release and Raging Strikes.

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Originally Posted by Kass

why are you bringing up bloodletters? they have nothing to do with TP consumption, they are off the GCD and you use them in between your other skills >.>

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Because bloodletter has no TP consumption. Anytime the animation for it is going, you aren't doing anything that's consuming TP. Thus you're gaining it.

Are you seriously saying that singing for 20% damage reduction is better than just popping one invigorate?

The thing is, lancers and pugilists also have invigorate...and they're also using it (they should be).

No group should ever need the TP song.

Furthermore, you should never waste a GCD on bloodletter.

The reason being that it is literally impossible for you to proc another bloodletter in the 1 second to move to the next inbetween gcd.

While if you use bloodletter in place of a gcd, you push your entire rotation back half a GCD.

Huge nono for dps.

Bloodletter procs have 0 bearing on your tp consumption.

People don't understand how TP works. Anytime you're not using it, you're gaining it. Even a few seconds here and there add up.

A Bard should never have TP issues unless they're spamming aoes.

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Originally Posted by Viridiana

Wait, since when are we affected by our own songs?

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Don't know has it changed but as long as I've been playing, I've been affected by my own songs including Paeon.

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Originally Posted by pandabearcat

Are you seriously saying that singing for 20% damage reduction is better than just popping one invigorate?

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No, that's not what anyone is saying.
What we're saying is that it might actually make sense to ignore invigorate if 1) any time you need TP, you're not the only one that needs TP (for example, right after an AoE burst phase) and 2) you've replaced invigorate with another skill that you're getting a lot of use out of.

From my testing last night, the Slow from feint has diminishing returns...
So the short duration we get without the enhanced feint trait could actually be a liability if there's anyone else who can apply it with a 20 second duration.

Not only that, but the tooltip in-game actually states that it slows Auto attack and spell/skill RECAST time, not CAST time.
So once again... are you guys SURE that it affects casting speed? I'm just not seeing it in my testing.

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Originally Posted by LunarEmerald

People don't understand how TP works. Anytime you're not using it, you're gaining it. Even a few seconds here and there add up.

A Bard should never have TP issues unless they're spamming aoes.

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You must be the one lacking understanding.
Bloodletter has no positive or negative effect on TP. It is only used when you could not be using another skill (That consumes TP). You're not gaining anything you wouldn't be getting anyway.