The "Greed" Mentality

Please find and quote where I asked for precedence over anyone rolling for their own off class.

A 3-tiered loot system might work, but I am by no means suggesting I have the answer.

Need - Available for loot wearable by your current class.
Greed 1 - Available for loot wearable by your other classes at the required level.
Greed 2 - Available to everyone, for all loot.

The looting behaviour of people in XIV would get you downright ostracised in XI.

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Originally Posted by Halock

Conj - 40 runs a dungeon with a summoner -50
Awesome hat drops, conj needs, Summoner also needs even though his hat is 10x better - Summoner wins, says he has a lowbie arcanist that could use it and the conj gearing up is not his responsibility

I'm pretty sure this is what the OP is talking about, greed menatility........shocked so many of you can't see this

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No, he's whining because he can't be defaulted on gear for a class he isn't because he doesn't want to play it in a dungeon. It's damn well obvious he just wants faster queue times in duty finder and the loot or this wouldn't be a problem.

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

Not everyone is one-class-onry.

"Need" in its current form is completely useless. Many people are pushed in to specific roles to fulfil party requirements - just because someone can't press the need button, doesn't mean that person doesn't need the item.

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Honestly the best option is to stop complaining about the roll system and to join a free company who will take the time to gear you by passing on every item... let me know how that search turns out.

Expecting everyone to follow your code of ethics or playstyle is just going to get you annoyed and frustrated.

Especially with duty finder.

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

Please find and quote where I asked for precedence over anyone rolling for their own off class.

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Right here:

http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...=1#post1223333

Nobody's pushing you into any role. You can play whatever class you want. You might be blind to it, but your posts in this topic basically indicate that you're running dungeons as a tank and you think your greed rolls are more deserving than someone else's greed roll.

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

@People: Stop "Greeding" loot for your level 0 classes. Especially if your sole purpose for that loot is to hand it in for company seals. This is greedy, selfish, and just downright inappropriate.

@SE: Basic need and greed limited by the job you are currently playing doesn't make sense in a game where you can play every job on the same character.

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So not only are you saying that we shouldnt greed for the purposes of being greedy but SE shouldnt restrict need rolls on gear so anyone can roll on it? Did you eat a lot of paint chips when you were little?

No the need/greed is almost perfect the way it is. The only thing missing is a way to stop PLD, DRG, and WAR from needing on non-heavy DoW gear after about level 15. If you want another classes gear, play as that class. If you want it for an alt class or to vendor ... greed it. If for some reason you want to be nice and let a teamate win it for whatever purpose then there is the option to pass. Its all there and all fair IMO.

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

Greed 1 - Available for loot wearable by your other classes at the required level.

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If your class is of level to wear the gear, it is of level to run the content. The servers arent going to scan your characters entire class history just to determine which greed youre eligible for. If your FC is forcing you to play a certain class as you say then they should be willing to pass on gear for you. Otherwise theyre ungrateful brats who dont deserve you sacrificng your game time and playstyle for them.

Reread OP. That is not what I am asking for.

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

You are putting words in my mouth, I have not suggested any specific changes to the loot system.

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But I thought you didn't want any changes to the loot system? Only for people to pass you gear because you need it for your "main" class, but they don't?

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Originally Posted by Jahaudant

Reread OP. That is not what I am asking for.

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Why should gear for leveling an alt or second class be more important than gaining seals or gil for your main?

Just depends on what your end game is which is why it goes to a greed vote

From: The People Against the Wussification of Eorzea

Your need is just an enhanced version of greed.

The last thing ANYONE should do in a raid is tell other people what they can roll on. EVER.