Goobbue Mount

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Originally Posted by Aegis

It never stops.

If they get goobbue they will whine about White Ravens
If they get White Ravens they will whine about the dalamud horn
If they get the horn (giggity) they will whine about the tattoo
If they get the tattoo they will whine about the chocobo
If they get the chocobo they will whine about the storyline
If they get the storyline they will whine about the discount
If they get the discount they will whine that all the new players can get everything they got, why can't things be made exclusive damnit, they worked for that stuff.

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The slippery-slope argument has never been a good reason to oppose something. It is one of the most obvious fallacies out there.

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Originally Posted by YeaniNah

that work on both side ... if its just a mount why they cry for it ??? why they whine to have it when its was a limited quest that they took off at 1.23a patch .

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Actually, it doesn't 'work on both sides', simply because people are allowed to 'want it'. The real question you have to ask, is:

"What harm or negativity does it bring to the game, or the community by allowing people to have it?"

The Answer - none, it provides no advantage, it required no skill or effort to obtain, it is purely a cosmetic mount. The slippery slope of "If they get this, they will want raven/discount/blahblahblah" is a ridiculous argument, and people have already pointed out the fallacy in this, elsewhere in this thread. However, by not allowing it again, you create this divide and threads like this.

Again, as a 1.0 Goobue rider, I support this coming back to new/old players again. Simply, because it will do no harm, and it will stop others being so damned precious about a mount.

I don't care if other people can have the mount too. I have my lifetime discount and that is the only reason I kept playing 1.0

[EDIT] Okay, not quite the only reason. I enjoyed playing the old version too :s

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Originally Posted by Decoyninja

The slippery-slope argument has never been a good reason to oppose something. It is one of the most obvious fallacies out there.

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It's not a slippery slope argument, a slippery slope argument would be that SE would need to give in on the Goobbue before the complainers would request the rest. Unfortunately, there've already been requests in the beta forums for all of the above *cough*except for the Dalamud Horn. No-one gives a fig about that*cough*

I can't see any reason why you would be opposed to giving people any of the other things if you are for giving them the Goobbue. All of them are content that was earned exclusively through version 1. Why not argue for new, awesome mounts rather than rehashing old content. Is it just because someone else has a toy that you want?

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Originally Posted by Pandemonium

"What harm or negativity does it bring to the game, or the community by allowing people to have it?"

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The Answer - Players were promised something would be exclusive and limited time only. This item may even have driven someone to subscribe for that month. By then making the item not exclusive anymore that player may feel like they were cheated into subscribing or that the item they obtained has lost value. It's like offering promotional items for collectors editions, then making those items available for purchase later. Something a lot of players have an issue with across many genres

Additionally, by telling players that items would be exclusive and limited time only and then going back on that, it erodes trust between the community and the developers.

Don't pose a question then immediately answer it yourself without giving people with an opposing viewpoint a chance to answer it. That's called a strawman, you are misrepresenting the viewpoints of those you are arguing with to make your argument easier.

What about the seasonal items? Or the White Raven? Should they be also obtainable again?
I see Goobbue as a reward from a seasonal event. You missed the event, you missed the reward.

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Originally Posted by Pandemonium

Actually, it doesn't 'work on both sides', simply because people are allowed to 'want it'. The real question you have to ask, is:

"What harm or negativity does it bring to the game, or the community by allowing people to have it?"

The Answer - none, it provides no advantage, it required no skill or effort to obtain, it is purely a cosmetic mount. The slippery slope of "If they get this, they will want raven/discount/blahblahblah" is a ridiculous argument, and people have already pointed out the fallacy in this, elsewhere in this thread. However, by not allowing it again, you create this divide and threads like this.

Again, as a 1.0 Goobue rider, I support this coming back to new/old players again. Simply, because it will do no harm, and it will stop others being so damned precious about a mount.

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The Goobbue was promised as a one-time reward. If SE bring it again, people would expect it with all other one-time rewards. And they would scream, whine and complain if all the other one-time rewards remains one-time rewards and they would point to the Goobbue.

What SE can bring is another mount (not a Goobbue) as a one-time reward.

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Originally Posted by Pandemonium

Actually, it doesn't 'work on both sides', simply because people are allowed to 'want it'. The real question you have to ask, is: .............................................

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SO i must be wrong that i saw many thread about people complain to be able to get legacy status again ... and now gobbue .. ..we will see in future thread.

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Originally Posted by Dastard

Absolutely not.

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Hahaha! These responses make me laugh. It's just a mount in a video game. Does it make you feel special that you have something most people don't? Will it hurt your gaming experience if everybody else has access to your precious mount? Why grown people get their panties in a bunch over these things has always been a mystery to me. I'm sure that you can come up with some logical reasoning as to why it should remain exclusive but in the end it's still just a cartoon mount in a video game and not worth all the thought.

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Originally Posted by Starplayer

Hahaha! These responses make me laugh. It's just a mount in a video game. Does it make you feel special that you have something most people don't? Will it hurt your gaming experience if everybody else has access to your precious mount? Why grown people get their panties in a bunch over these things has always been a mystery to me. I'm sure that you can come up with some logical reasoning as to why it should remain exclusive but in the end it's still just a cartoon mount in a video game and not worth all the thought.

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And a relic is just a weapon in a video game. Will it hurt anyone's experience if they give those away for free too? At the end of the day all the items are worth exactly $0.00.

We have four seasons in the year, they come around each year. So why can't it come around again? Want to 'keep it in the lore' - our trusty minstrel friend escaped during the calamity.

A lot of what i am seeing is people on both sides being whiney and childish about the mount -

"It's our mount, you can't have it"; "You missed it, tough luck buster"; etc. - To those people, grow up - don't be spoilt and learn to share, it detracts nothing from you if others get it.
Equally, there are those without it who are not requesting it, but crying for it. Again, to those people grow up. Crying and whining is no basis for reward.

However, there are plenty of people - both those who have the mount already, and those without - who support the idea of it being re-released in some format, and can support it in a mature fashion, because we realise that it is a game. A cosmetic mount, for a virtual world online game. The simple fact is it will do no harm to re-release it to players old and new. Put it in a limited time frame again if it makes you feel better, but please stop being so childish and possessive over it.

Sorry, the technique of Goobbue charming is a closely guarded secret!