Luminary Tools ... are not any good :|

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Originally Posted by Sartori

Actually the Pick of the Luminary isn't that bad stat wise. Its better then my current single melded pick +1 which has one perception +5 on it. I would have to meld another perception, a gathering, and a vitality to come close, and the Luminary also has +10 mind.

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I would like to know how you came to this conclusion

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Originally Posted by Xenor

Can you prove me wrong? I mean, what kind of question is that? Everyone knows the crafting scene was riddled with botters and still is, so it's a fair assumption to make. However without installing a CCTV camera infront of every player's screen it's impossible to "prove" one way or the other. Surely you understand this?

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Without evading, how can you prove this?

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Originally Posted by Xenor

I'm sure 95% of them did

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It is more beneficial if there is irrefutable evidence for those claims. Surely you understand the point I'm trying to make.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I would like to know how you came to this conclusion

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Sorry, did that wrong, scratch the perception. Would need an extra 11 gathering and a vitality meld is all. So I would be losing 3 perception but gaining gathering, vitality, and mind.

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Originally Posted by Fated

Not everyone botted to get one, but, okay champ.

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Were you around in 2010? You'd have a very different outlook if you realized a lot of people botted to max crafts and level (Necrologis respawn farming) due to the nature of the game.

There's a reason one of the original and most popular craft bots had well over 80,000 downloads the first 3 months.

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Originally Posted by Andrien

Without evading, how can you prove this?


It is more beneficial if there is irrefutable evidence for those claims. Surely you understand the point I'm trying to make.

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He is right. Lots of people botted to get em. No need to reward bots.

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Originally Posted by Renen

He is right. Lots of people botted to get em. No need to reward bots.

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The bots also make gold and levels, so trying to go all "anti" bot wont work either. For those "humans" that did this achiev it would be rather disappointing to see a "meh" shitty item.

If they want to give a crappy item because of bots, dont even give an item in the first place. Waste our inventory space.


That being said I would like to see some of the achievements less tally related - perhaps some require some quest lines and such.

I don't waste much gil on attempting double melds, so I think the Luminary are just fine.

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Originally Posted by Churchill

I would like to know how you came to this conclusion

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Off topic, but I like your sig. Fringe rocks (or did right before it jumped the shark. Poor Fringe, I loved you...).

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Originally Posted by Shougun

The bots also make gold and levels, so trying to go all "anti" bot wont work either. For those "humans" that did this achiev it would be rather disappointing to see a "meh" shitty item.

If they want to give a crappy item because of bots, dont even give an item in the first place. Waste our inventory space.


That being said I would like to see some of the achievements less tally related - perhaps some require some quest lines and such.

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I would like to give u 10x Thumbs up

all what ppl are talking about botters...
there're ppl out there working hard to get them .. they should remove them if its worthless and good for botter only :/

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