PLEASE fix the older ARs

IMO the solution would be to lock people out of alliance roulette unless they have unlocked at least the first raid in the highest-level series for the job they're queueing with, assuming they can unlock the raids at that moment.

For example:
lv100 job that has finished base DT: unlock Jeuno to run the roulette
lv60 job that has finished base HW: unlock Void Ark to use the roulette
lv80 job that still hasn't finished ShB for some reason: unlock Rabanastre to run the roulette

I think this would provide the best balance because it wouldn't force people to unlock and run Every Single Raid just to do dailies, but would still push a bit more variety into the roulette. And if you don't want to unlock or run a specific series of raids, you wouldn't be permanently locked out of the roulette, just until you finished the next expansion's base MSQ.
(ie - a lv80 job that doesn't want to unlock the ShB raids would be locked out of the roulette until finishing base EW, which would change the requirement to "unlock Aglaia" instead)

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Originally Posted by Catwho

If y'all are on EU datacenter, and it's a newer player, I'm gonna take a stab in the dark and ask if your friend is trying to do a 24 man alliance raid with only one language in the checkbox checked.

Finding 24 people in duty roulette queue for a 24 man raid when you are willing to play with anyone? Possible.

Finding 24 people who are willing to play if you only are willing to play with people with German or French checked on the box? Much more difficult, because it sets aside that instance as a French only or German only (or English only or Japanese only) run.

One of the first things I learned to do in Duty Finder on my alt characters on the EU servers is check all 4 language boxes, and use auto translate for basic greetings but otherwise stay silent in roulettes, for the most part.

Duty Finder defaults you to only your localization language and you have to manually check all the other boxes.

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Nope, all 4 langs checked.
It just took forever anyway.

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Originally Posted by Jaltaer

IMO the solution would be to lock people out of alliance roulette unless they have unlocked at least the first raid in the highest-level series for the job they're queueing with, assuming they can unlock the raids at that moment.

For example:
lv100 job that has finished base DT: unlock Jeuno to run the roulette
lv60 job that has finished base HW: unlock Void Ark to use the roulette
lv80 job that still hasn't finished ShB for some reason: unlock Rabanastre to run the roulette

I think this would provide the best balance because it wouldn't force people to unlock and run Every Single Raid just to do dailies, but would still push a bit more variety into the roulette. And if you don't want to unlock or run a specific series of raids, you wouldn't be permanently locked out of the roulette, just until you finished the next expansion's base MSQ.
(ie - a lv80 job that doesn't want to unlock the ShB raids would be locked out of the roulette until finishing base EW, which would change the requirement to "unlock Aglaia" instead)

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That wouldn't really solve the problem, unless you mean the first of the current tier plus all previous ones.

Aglaia popped fairly quickly, Euphrosyne and Thaleia took forever, and that's been a theme throughout - the first ARs in a tier are fine; 2 and 3 take ages to fill.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

That’s the entire point

CT is the outlier not the expected base. If you can only tolerate AR’s when they are as brainless and fast as CT then you don’t even want to be doing alliance raids you want to be doing free XP like the MSQ roulette

Desire to do that shouldn’t override what the roulettes are actually for which is filling the queues for people who are obviously struggling to pop the higher level AR’s

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Right, which is why I have no problem with locking AR roulette behind needing all ARs because the roulette is supposed to serve a function beyond handing out XP, and people have been abusing it for far too long.

But I also acknowledge that doing this might still cause a lot of people to avoid unlocking ARs anyway because they don't feel the roulette bonus is worth it to them anymore, which then leaves the players waiting for higher level pops waiting even longer as all the Crystal Tower-only players abandon the roulette entirely. It's creating a "do it or else" situation and then having to accept that more people than not will choose "else". They go from being a "waste of resources" to a "null resource" as it were as the overall number of people doing the AR roulette decreases.

One could argue its a case of "quality over quantity" though where in exchange for slower roulette queues and being rid of CT-lifers, that the variety of fights improves and only those committed/good enough for ARs actually show up anymore.
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Originally Posted by Jaltaer

IMO the solution would be to lock people out of alliance roulette unless they have unlocked at least the first raid in the highest-level series for the job they're queueing with, assuming they can unlock the raids at that moment.

For example:
lv100 job that has finished base DT: unlock Jeuno to run the roulette
lv60 job that has finished base HW: unlock Void Ark to use the roulette
lv80 job that still hasn't finished ShB for some reason: unlock Rabanastre to run the roulette

I think this would provide the best balance because it wouldn't force people to unlock and run Every Single Raid just to do dailies, but would still push a bit more variety into the roulette. And if you don't want to unlock or run a specific series of raids, you wouldn't be permanently locked out of the roulette, just until you finished the next expansion's base MSQ.

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Exactly this, which is especially important on Dynamis where players can easily over-level but still be further behind in the MSQ. By making the AR roulette requirement MSQ dependent rather than level dependent, it prevents unnecessary lockouts for players who can't entirely control their rate of leveling and/or take their time through each expansion.

Again this is a roulette, you are getting rewarded for helping other people fill their queues, you shouldn’t be able to mix and match it full stop. That’s how the roulette should work

If you think it’s too much effort to unlock everything you shouldn’t be doing a roulette, because again you are a literal active hinderance to people trying to fill their queues

If you CAN have a raid unlocked it SHOULD be unlocked in order to have access to the roulette, this should apply to everything, the 50/60/70 roulette, the alliance roulette and the normal raid roulette

Have you tried asking for help in PF or by shouting in cities? That's how I keep getting people to help when I'm on an alt or helping a friend do old stuff. I'll go to major city hubs and shout something like...

"Join Puppet's Bunker queue! Trying to get it for my friend and we need people! We'd really appreciate the help! Thank you!"

Just once per hub. Don't wanna make it annoying. It's a method that has yet to fail me.

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Originally Posted by UNDEAD10000

Crystal Tower alliance raids being part of the main story quest is the main reason why no one is doing other normal alliance raids anymore.
And of course alliance raid duty roulette is completely useless when 99.9% of time it's always Crystal Tower alliance raid.

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Even people that were playing before it was made mandatory have talked at length about how they avoided unlocking any other ARs because it makes the roulette less efficient. It being retroactively shoved into the MSQ made the roulette much more skewed towards CT, but it was already skewed.

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Originally Posted by Supersnow845

Again this is a roulette, you are getting rewarded for helping other people fill their queues, you shouldn’t be able to mix and match it full stop. That’s how the roulette should work

If you think it’s too much effort to unlock everything you shouldn’t be doing a roulette, because again you are a literal active hinderance to people trying to fill their queues

If you CAN have a raid unlocked it SHOULD be unlocked in order to have access to the roulette, this should apply to everything, the 50/60/70 roulette, the alliance roulette and the normal raid roulette

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I assume this is in response to someone else because I'm not disagreeing with you?

I'm only pointing out that if it does get implemented this way (and it should, I'm not arguing against it), it will likely increase roulette queue times as a bunch of people decide the roulette reward isn't worth unlocking access to the roulette. I know this because I have more than Crystal Tower unlocked for ARs and sure enough, the risk of doing Mhach/Ivalice/Nier isn't worth the roulette reward to me anymore so I avoid it completely. I get nothing, they get to wait longer, perfectly fair.

Unlocking access to all content to use a roulette should be obligated, but nobody is obligated to unlock the roulette and then queue into it, that's all.

The only concession I would even remotely humor is the before-mentioned hypothetical "level 80 that still hasn't finished SHB needs to unlock Mhach and Ivalice minimum, and then Nier AFTER they finish SHB to keep using AR roulette" because over-leveling CAN happen on Dynamis, and the player in question may not be trying to dodge unlocking ARs at all in the first place.

Like, maybe they did unlock Mhach and Ivalice up until then, but can't unlock Nier yet, so denying them the AR roulette because they're 80+ and haven't finished SHB isn't quite right, but immediately locking AR roulette post-SHB until they unlock Nier is totally fair due to their placement in the MSQ rather than their actual level. And if they didn't unlock Mhach, Ivalice, or Nier at any point they get no AR roulette period.

Subsequently, this would require EVERYONE who is done with Dawntail up until now MUST have everything up through San d'Oria unlocked to use the AR roulette, no exceptions, because they're already caught up in the MSQ unlike the example level 80. (And their AR roulette will absolutely get locked again once the third-tier of Echoes arrives, and become available again only when its cleared.)

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Originally Posted by Alicie

A lot of people don't bother unlocking alliance raids or doing roulette on lower level jobs for the sake of levelling.
What's the incentive to actually unlock higher level ARs? Do they give more exp? No. Do they give more tomestones? No. Do they even provide unique rewards that are worth farming? Save for first Nier raid that had glamour gear set, no. The most efficient way to do alliance roulettes is to enforce crystal tower, one way or another, and most efficient way will be the way most of the people will do it.

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They literally do give better exp what are you saying? Spamming aglaia for leveling from 90-100 is actually pretty good if you want to farm glam and exp.

Overleveling happens on data centers other than Dynamis. I was overleveled for most of the MSQ. I ended up rotating between jobs, partially because I wanted to try them but also to soak some of the surplus exp. Otherwise, I'd have hit 100 well before finishing Endwalker. Even for someone who goes out of their way to grab the unlocks as they go through msq, there's still some delay in completing the raid tiers.

How did people come to the conclusion that running the CT raids was most efficient? I keep seeing it said, but can't find anything to back it up.