Harassment of players (LGBT)

tell your friend that everyone they see is a five years old and will always be offended they will evoide being banned

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Originally Posted by Espon

It doesn't matter if it's in retaliation. The ToS states that you cannot insult or harass other players. If someone does it to you, just blacklist them and/or report them. Don't sink to their level and give them ammunition to get yourself banned instead.

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Maybe they didn't think it was an insult or harassment? If I was a GM I would laugh at this. It's like you say, people like this are giving trolls amunition. The whole reason bullies exist, is because you let them bully youself by giving them a funny reaction. And why did you need to mention LGBT? Do you think if you were straight, they wouldn't bully you? No, they'd just find a different reason to make fun of you.

Anyway, I'm so happy that GMs don't ban these people. Because this way I have an infinite supply of drama.

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Originally Posted by Perditioner

Has anyone else had issues with being harassed by other players using the in-game report system? Since the GM's refuse to discuss, who, what and why they were reported the system can be, and is, used to harass players by reporting players they don't like.

This seems like a major oversight in the system which is allowing people to harass people, many of my friends have been falsely reported recently leading to them being banned. Surely the GMs need to check that the person reporting is the target of what is being said, which they don't seem to be at the moment. Also do they not check for the same user repeatedly reporting people?

What is everyone's thoughts on this?

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I always assumed that GM's inspected server chat logs, or reviewed server instance recordings, and only if that kind of impartial 'proof' evidence was available, that they only then hauled people up for discussion.
If they are hauling people up, on hearsay, that's just disgusting.
When we play this game we are paying customers. Its our free time, so unless we 'have' violated ToS or the sprit of ToS then how Fing dare they take up even a minute of my spare time to answer questions and harass me with an abuse of their power.
If I was challenged by an untruth, and they pulled me aside , on my free time paid for by me, I would not be entertaining a discussion without knowing the Gms first and second name, because at that point I am not some 'character' I am a human being. If I found them to be wrong I would be expecting them personally to take repsonsibility for that.

This is easy, if they have access to chat logs, or instance recordings, then I assume everything is backed up and thats fine.
If they don't, then they shouldn't 'ever' be acting on anything.

I wonder what the reason is for thinking the harassment is sexuality though.

If its just because of the FC one is in, or one's Party info comment, then harassment for that is not OK.

That said if one is using third party add ons and syncshells and hyper sexualising everything, and that's what's attracting attention, and then one is actually 'expecting' XIV to be some kind of utopia, then one is an idjyut , and frankly both the harasser and the harassed are just a waste of Square Enix resources and it your own problems to sort out.

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All of the above said though, if this is a case of A starts harassing B in contravention of ToS, B 'being provoked' then hits back, the GMs do have to be competent and reasonable in their 'judgement'.

In my judgement that means:

- If A did the report, then the GM actually instead should corrects A for their instigating provocative misbehaviour and should drop it there. B should never hear about it. Provocation 'is' a valid 'mitigating' defence, in even the most 'amoral' legal systems, never mind the more moralising ones.
- However if A "harassed" B about some problematic play, any maybe yes against 'strict' ToS didn't drop it when they should have, but didn't really say anything all that aggressive (we've all seen that, "please don't fight for aggro in alliances and spin the boss", " no this is a problem because", "well then in that case you can try x instead?"), and B then resorts to foul language and curses and out right denigration of A's ancestry, then yes the GM should also haul B, for gross escalation, and just ask A to adhere to ToS more carefully for just this reason. But they are going to have to get off the fence and confirm to A that they sympathise that B was not ok also.

It's complicated. I hope the GMs have 'very' good grasp of not only language but 'culture'.

There is rampant transphobia in the FFXIV community - with homophobia being also present, but less. However, I don't think report system abuse is what that is. It's trans people being in FFXIV discords and constantly getting misgendered, it's people like the ones in that other thread having a hatecrush on the concept of revealing clothing on men. It's the fact that the concept of a trans person apparently qualifies as a joke to some people. It's the way Sena Bryer gets harassed for being trans, which, by the way, I don't even like her performance. But her comment section is always full of misgendering and transphobia. The same goes for regular trans players.

So while I think OP is in the wrong here, because the GMs do reconfirm reports, I think that there should be people raising awareness of FFXIV's queerphobia problem. Not to mention the crazy racist character names I report on an infrequent basis.

(That said, I can be pretty unpleasant and I've never gotten banned or GM messaged because while some people here say that the GMs hair trigger ban, they really don't: they evaluate the situation and react accordingly. I think they are possibly a bit hair trigger on ERP, but that's because FFXIV already has That reputation and they're trying to curb it.)

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Originally Posted by Perditioner

I was with the person who last got banned, in voice chat. I know what they said in say. Yes they said a naughty word in an adult game, but why him specifically targeted and not others who also said naughty words, including me?

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FFXIV is not an adult game. Quote from one GM "FFXIV is a game for 13+ and older".

I mean, I'mma be real, I don't think cis people would understand. You can be fully secure in your identity and still have massive dysphoria, that's kind of the problem with dysphoria. It's about basic respect to not misgender people. Cis people don't get misgendered every time they open their mouth. It's not about accidents, it's about intentional malice.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

I mean, I'mma be real, I don't think cis people would understand. You can be fully secure in your identity and still have massive dysphoria, that's kind of the problem with dysphoria. It's about basic respect to not misgender people. Cis people don't get misgendered every time they open their mouth. It's not about accidents, it's about intentional malice.

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You speak as if cis people are some superior beings who don't know what suffering is... We all have our own problems, and I wish I had yours. Do you think bullies didn't exist before lgbt appeared? Of course they did exist, they just bullied for different reasons. Let me ask you something, do you also get offended when a stray dog barks at you? Some people can't even read my nickname. Do I get offended? No, I just think they're stupid. Maybe if you didn't get offended by every little thing, and didn't build your whole personality around your gender, you wouldn't be such easy target for bullies. And I'm not saying it's your fault, but it's in your power to stop letting them bully you.

...Well, there goes my point being proven once more. Actually, I take my initial statement back, OP is right. This thread proves it.

That said, yeah, the racist names are reportable but it is kind of sad it happens this much.

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Originally Posted by 0blivion

...Well, there goes my point being proven once more. Actually, I take my initial statement back, OP is right. This thread proves it.

That said, yeah, the racist names are reportable but it is kind of sad it happens this much.

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Your point wasnt proven at all actually, they simply stated facts, you are proving their point though. Nothing they said is bigoted or anything of the likes, and if you think so, I'd love for you to please quote where.

Just remember this game is rated 13. Slurs and bad words will be dealt with to conform with the age rating.