Will there be SOLO queue for PVP in Dawntrail

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I think what people are looking for is the option of a solo-only queue. You may not agree with the growing hostility towards premades, but the fact is it exists. The twin queue idea has been criticized on the grounds that if there were two queue modes, one that allows light parties and one that does not, the former would never pop. I find this somewhat amusing.

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I don't mind either of them as I adjust to whatever the game hands me, but I can't realistically see a second queue for solo-only coexist with up-to-4-queue. Not because it would be a bad idea, but because it would divide the playerpool of frontlines greatly, to detriment of both. I am uncertain if we have a playerbase large enough to facilitate both.

Now if it was 8v8v8, that'd be a different story.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

The twin queue idea has been criticized on the grounds that if there were two queue modes, one that allows light parties and one that does not, the former would never pop. I find this somewhat amusing.

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Maybe because some of us has seen it for ourselves when it came to feast. While I personally believe that it's wrong to compare solo rank and team rank together we only have the one season of team, and that tells the entire story. Compared to solo q rank queues was the worst in team rank. While I personally can't say why that is you can probably put the pieces together by looking at the team ratings.

Maybe if 24 mans was brought back and it was an option to queue premade it may work. Having 72 on the other hand is just not feasible. It is most likely going to be dead without help from the queue syncers...just like where Rival Wings are currently at outside of Moogle events.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

Maybe because some of us has seen it for ourselves when it came to feast. While I personally believe that it's wrong to compare solo rank and team rank together we only have the one season of team, and that tells the entire story. Compared to solo q rank queues was the worst in team rank. While I personally can't say why that is you can probably put the pieces together by looking at the team ratings.

Maybe if 24 mans was brought back and it was an option to queue premade it may work. Having 72 on the other hand is just not feasible. It is most likely going to be dead without help from the queue syncers...just like where Rival Wings are currently at outside of Moogle events.

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I'd much prefer smaller teams. But on Aether at least the queue times are currently so short I see no issues from that perspective with a solo-only queue.

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Originally Posted by Reinhardt_Azureheim

I don't mind either of them as I adjust to whatever the game hands me, but I can't realistically see a second queue for solo-only coexist with up-to-4-queue. Not because it would be a bad idea, but because it would divide the playerpool of frontlines greatly, to detriment of both. I am uncertain if we have a playerbase large enough to facilitate both.

Now if it was 8v8v8, that'd be a different story.

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Agreed. A different and happier story.

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Originally Posted by Mawlzy

I'd much prefer smaller teams. But on Aether at least the queue times are currently so short I see no issues from that perspective with a solo-only queue.

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So do I. It feels as though I can actually win a game through problem solving rather then brute force and praying for a miracle. As for queue times they're going to be short. The roulette exist. Whether it's for fun or to simply get xp everyone is heading there.

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Originally Posted by Mistress_Irika

So do I. It feels as though I can actually win a game through problem solving rather then brute force and praying for a miracle. As for queue times they're going to be short. The roulette exist. Whether it's for fun or to simply get xp everyone is heading there.

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Roulette doubtless has an impact on queue times, but on Aether at least I recognize over half the players in any given match as regulars. If region-wide queueing ever became a thing, my guess is that, even with reduced rewards/XP, queue times would be super short. Sort of funny that the common view is PvP in 14 is crap, and yet thousands of people play it daily.

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Originally Posted by Bunny_Girl

Choosing to play in premade teams is fine, but it's not a license to prey on players who queuing up solo. Fairness matters. Letting pre-mades face each other.

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It is fair... everyone has access to the same tools.

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Originally Posted by OliviaLugria

It is fair... everyone has access to the same tools.

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One can define it as fair simply because it's currently legal, but it's not desirable. My one and done today featured Slark and the Princesses engaging in a completely pointless and boring massacre of the other two teams. It's just shitty gameplay carried out in this specific case by shitty people.

(To be 100% clear, I don't think you're remotely shitty, Olivia. These Q-synching clowns, a group of which vote-kicked me when I hadn't typed a thing in chat, are the absolute dregs of the FL community.)

It's fair because everyone has the choice to group up, to make calls, and to play a strong job.

You're free to not do these things, but not doing so is handicapping yourself. If you're wanting to win, you can't really complain when not taking advantage of these things.

Aa for if it's desirable... generally, I think so. I want people to work more closely together and improve their gameplay so we can move on to new strategies and tactics.

I don't think premades are incredibly strong. I think it is the playerbase that is incredibly weak. They die over and over to the same setup, and don't start wondering how to stop it, counter it, or use it themselves.