concerning Monk changes

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

nah. I sincerely believe MNK will still be unpopular, especially so when there's a new melee that's cannibalizing some of its niches. this is the third (fourth if you count 5.4 MNK) time in a row we've seen people go "finally! they made MNK easier, now I can play it!" and none of them have ever actually made the job sustain any kind of popularity. I don't have any reason to believe that Dawntrail will be any different.

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This is somehow more depressing than the worst case scenario I had in my head. Only time will tell, but the thought of losing the things I like about MNK over a rework that no one will end up playing is actually infuriating. But I guess that's just the reality of being a MNK main. If this is how I feel now, I wonder how it felt back then for MNK mains to lose the legendary Tornado Kick rotation. That must be even more tragic in hindsight considering everything that came after.

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Originally Posted by Silhart

This is somehow more depressing than the worst case scenario I had in my head. Only time will tell, but the thought of losing the things I like about MNK over a rework that no one will end up playing is actually infuriating. But I guess that's just the reality of being a MNK main. If this is how I feel now, I wonder how it felt back then for MNK mains to lose the legendary Tornado Kick rotation. That must be even more tragic in hindsight considering everything that came after.

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It felt terrible. The changes to MNK in Shadowbringers gutted everything I loved from 4.5. Haven't cared what they've done to the job since then, though I still play it. All they've done is spoon-fed us back old mechanics that they stripped away. For example, the nadi system is just a repurposed Tornado Kick rotation. Build up nadi/greased-lightening for a big spender, use Perfect Balance to build it back up again. But the 4.5 MNK rotation was highly dynamic and flowed so well that nadi is a pale imitation. It had more than one way to build greased-lightening, elemental fist switching, elemental riddle interaction (minus riddle of earth effect, that was dumb), all the positionals, and tons of oGCDs. Peak MNK.

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Originally Posted by VentVanitas

nah. I sincerely believe MNK will still be unpopular, especially so when there's a new melee that's cannibalizing some of its niches. this is the third (fourth if you count 5.4 MNK) time in a row we've seen people go "finally! they made MNK easier, now I can play it!" and none of them have ever actually made the job sustain any kind of popularity. I don't have any reason to believe that Dawntrail will be any different.

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Weird how catering job design to lobotomites who are averse to putting in any iota of effort ruins the job for everyone eh. Don't worry, SAM is rapidly joining this state MNK is in, of being catered to lobotomites who will only flock to the newest "shiny" class.

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Originally Posted by Mecia

Depressing. I want 5.4 Monk back.

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I miss 5.4 Monk.
It was so fun and rather than expanding on it, CU3 had to take it away from us less than a year after it came out. :(

The largest changes, though not terribly important for content as it stands presently, seems to be that we're no longer going to be nearly so concerned about uptime (a worrying/deleterious direction, imo, as I would much rather melee actually have to be mindful of melee things) and we can no longer spread Demolish for damage bonuses at under 4 targets (which likewise degrades TTK considerations and reduces Coeurl skill and PB options).

On the whole, for anyone who'd ever learned to place target debuffs in a place they can actually see, this seems like it'll be no easier to track despite adding visual bloat overall and reducing variance, engagement, and optionality. Not the end of the world, but I'm not particularly a fan of the change, either.

:: From someone who found Endwalker Monk actually pretty solidly fun at high SkS due to optimizing drift, with only maybe Late Stormblood Monk (also ideally at enough SkS for triple-TKs per RoF) beating it out.

people are like: monk got easier? nice! now i can finally go to max lvl with it... looks much better in the jobwindow.

Always had a problem with the timers from Demolish and Disciplined Fist, along with Perfect Balance and their rotational use.
Brings my brain to fold itself like origami when trying to figure it out whenever I get endgame content after weeks of low level alliance roulettes with the Monk Job.

Maybe the changes will help a bit regarding that. I would welcome it.

if anything, i dont like our most new animation is just hadouken animation (think we got 3?), i want more punch and kick damnit

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Originally Posted by Asari5

people are like: monk got easier? nice! now i can finally go to max lvl with it... looks much better in the jobwindow.

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It's a videogame, so more people having fun with something in it is good, actually.

It's an RPG with around 20 classes. It's beyond idiotic to try make them all appeal to everyone.