Positionals

Positionals are not only a melee thing. They involve the entire party, particularly the tanks, but it also depends on the specific boss. You do require everyone to work in some way to get them all in fights like P11S.

As for normal duties such as alliance raids, the main issue is normally tanks trying to reposition the boss middle and looking north all the time when it's not needed. Unless the boss absolutely needs to be there, it's not required to rotate or move it. Just wait till it teleports itself or move it only when required. Rotating the boss fast will also mess up with positionals.

While missing them is not a huge loss, it's one of the few optimization options left to melee so they should not be removed. Whether hitting them should yield more DPS than they do now or not is another question entirely though.

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Originally Posted by Asari5

i would love if they bring that shb-dragoon mechanic back. you had to hit your last poditional in order to upgrade the first skill of your next combo. thst was so much more satisfying.

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This would be extremely punishing due to Raiden Thrust's scale generation. They're not going to go back to this and if they did, they'd have to compensate for such a high failure state that can be out of your control in disorganized groups, mostly relevant for PF Savage and Ultimate groups. And I doubt they'd do such compensation for DRG.

I love positional skills. Personally I wish they would add more of them, we already have 2 charges of true north so that's pretty good for moments where you can't hit a positional. For reaper it almost lets you hit every positional without actually positioning too much.

It would honestly be awesome if Viper had a positional on every ability, though I'm sure it won't.

Positionals make melee more fun to play and diversify it from ranged. If I were to flip the situation and say "I wish they would add positionals to Ranged, and remove all cast times from the game" People wouldn't like that very much. Different playstyles interest different people, some people like standing there just hitting the button, some people like doing that but having a cast time, and some people like being right up close the monster and moving around to deal a bit extra damage.

I don't want them to make casters and ranged more like melee, I just don't play those jobs that often, every job doesn't have to be for every person. It's good to have some kind of uniqueness to them, even if I don't personally like the thing that makes them unique (casting, standing still) much.

There's no need to simplify things any further just to make the difference between ranged and melee be how far they are from the boss.

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Originally Posted by Aco505

they'd have to compensate for such a high failure state

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NIN mudras like, "o rly?" :p

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Originally Posted by Equitable_Remedy

NIN mudras like, "o rly?" :p

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Mudras are not cancelled if the tank rotates the boss. It's entirely on the NIN.

skill issue

Removing positionals would basically turn melee dps into phys ranged with how stupid huge hitboxes are now. I don't see the point beyond adding another layer of job homogenization to the game.

As a melee main (and clearing savage and ultimate before someone booh me being a casual doing low-end content), I think positionnals suck. There is nothing fun about it, nothing that requires skill either, you just have to do a small step to the side 80% of the time.
At best it keeps you awake during slow fights, but that doesn't make that interesting. This should not be the way to go (arguably a job or two can keep them as core of their mechanics, like Monk) and should be deleted imho.
Yes playing melee is getting more and more easier, but positionnals isn't the answer to that. That's just an annoying mechanic that brings nothing to the table and can be frustrating at times with how much boss reposition themselves.

That said, I won't make a tantrum if they stay, I don't really mind in the end (especially since now i'm maining reaper and they're very easy to plan ahead). But come on people, be honest, that's not an interesting mech and that doesn't require any skill.
Also it is irrelevant in solo, this alone should be a good reason to consider the deletion.

I literally don't do them anymore. I could care less what my damage is they're a pain to do and ruin fun gameplay for me.

remove positionals and true north. it's just not a fun mechanic and frees up one keybind easily.

They're going to make hitboxes smaller so positional skill expression is going to be back.

That being said, I am not against the idea of removing positionals provided SE compensates the reduction in job difficulty with an increase in another area.