Remember: the forums represent a tiny, loud minority

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Originally Posted by subatomic

A complaint is designed to attack the developers by saying their hard work is bad or disappointing like so many threads on the forums.

Feedback is when you tell the developers you wish to see X new feature in the game.

Hope you learn the difference now <3

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I'll bite.

Feedback = information about reactions to a product which is used as a basis for improvement. " Player-Feedback " can thus be either positive or negative. Even complaints falls under Feedback.

An Attack = Criticizing or oppose fiercely and publicly.
Which is what you're doing by labeling possibly valuable feedback as negative complaints to be disregarded.

Yoshi-P said the Silent leave first as we're not silent because most of us Care. If that is your Goal for us to not be so loud and more silent to " Stop Caring " then well done you.

subatomic = A true Negative Nancy glamoured to be positive.

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

Yoshi-P said the Silent leave first as we're not silent because most of us Care. If that is your Goal for us to not be so loud and more silent to " Stop Caring " then well done you.

subatomic = A true Negative Nancy glamoured to be positive.

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Try not to make up quotes love <3

Oh and leave out the personal attacks :D

Anyways, you're Wrong about what Feedback means. :D

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Originally Posted by subatomic

Try not to make up quotes love <3

Oh and leave out the personal attacks :D

Anyways, you're Wrong about what Feedback means. :D

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I guess Google is wrong then. Heck English isn't even my main Language...

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As for making up quotes...

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" The Silent always leave First "

Granted if you take anyone debunking your crap personal? hey <3 x3 *giggles*

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Originally Posted by subatomic

Most people playing the game don't use the official forums. They use Discord, Reddit, or Twitter.

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False. Unless FFXIV is abnormality in videogames, all gamers who on regular basis interacts with game outside the actual game are minority, even if you include all discords, reddit and twitter.

If you consume any content outside the game, you're part of minority.

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Originally Posted by subatomic

The negative Nancys on the forums are a Tiny, Loud minority. They are here just to complain and don't reflect the 20 million players who still enjoy the game.

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Why do you need to specify "negative Nancys" ? If our opinion is irrelevant, so is yours. I'm once again surprised on how others are surprised that discussion forums are predominantly negative. You don't go here to praise game, but to share your often negative opinions on certain topic. You don't go here to say that you like X or Y.

This is the point of official forums - feedback and constructive criticism. Do you want some positive fluff/fanart and so on? Go to the mainsub. Fancy some shitpost? r/shitpostxiv. Porn? Twitter.

Minority/majority argument will always be pointless, you cannot ever get opinions of majority of the player base.

You know who's minority? Whole JP player base. How about some sub ~5% minority? That's ultimate raiders. Do you want to use minority argument for jobs? Then every job's feedback is pointless since it reflects only ~1/19 of playerbase at best(assuming SE only counts feedback from job's mains, as they should, but unfortunately they don't). These minorities split into more minorities, each with different opinions. Are all of them "just a minority" who's opinions do not matter?

People like you just try to make others feel like their opinions are irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with trying to highlight things you like, but saying that the way others feel about the game is wrong is fundamentally just retarded. If you do that, your contributions to any discussions are negative. What are you even trying to accomplish? Convince others that the game is great? People know that, after all people who criticize the game do love the game. People who don't like the game silently leave. Or maybe you try to convince others to leave the game? Why, is there something wrong with striving for better game? Are we supposed to accept mediocrity?

Also it's not 20 million players by a long shot, latest stats show <1.4mil, but I wouldn't expect real data from someone who says that anyone who doesn't engage on forums is automatically satisfied with the game.

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Originally Posted by Deo14

People like you just try to make others feel like their opinions are irrelevant. There is nothing wrong with trying to highlight things you like, but saying that the way others feel about the game is wrong is fundamentally just retarded.

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Some people are just wrong with opinions so outlandish that they obviously should be quashed/ignored. There are still people on these forums who pine for 1.x and think it was a better game for example.

Other opinions aren't "wrong" but they are in opposition to others. Easy example, there are people out there still carrying a grudge over the tank changes in shb. I will never agree with these people (other than agreeing that they fucked up with drk), Now, if you preferred old tanking, fine! Reasonable! Just don't come at me about complexity because you are lying to yourself about how hard old tanking was. But I don't agree and since I don't want them to revert those changes, it behooves me to counterpost.

This isn't white knighting, this is we have different opinions and maybe I think yours would make the game worse and you obviously might think likewise with mine so here we are, stuck posting on a forum nobody important reads. Hoping that maybe some intern compiles a list of forum feedback and delivers it to someone who matters every now and then.

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Originally Posted by CelestiCer

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Can you define the difference between feedback and complaining?

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Originally Posted by Renathras

Can you define the difference between feedback and complaining?

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This is an all complaints are feedback, but not all feedback is complaints situation imo.

Take a look at how this business defines a complaint:

https://survicate.com/customer-feedb...plaints/#toc-0

What are customer complaints?
Customer complaints are pieces of feedback that let you know where customers experience problems with your product or service. They are opportunities for your business to improve your offering and create a better experience for your users.

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Originally Posted by subatomic

Most people playing the game don't use the official forums. They use Discord, Reddit, or Twitter.

Less than 1% of players use the forums, and of that, even less still are the ones who use the forums regularly.

The negative Nancys on the forums are a Tiny, Loud minority. They are here just to complain and don't reflect the 20 million players who still enjoy the game.

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