I don't know if you were being serious or sarcastic but honestly? The answer is right here in your post BluexBird. I don't understand why more people dont get that. Many MMORPG's today and MOST MMORPG's in the 2000's (and all of them before WoW) were sand box MMO's. The developers rarely did more than create a world, and give us characters to play with. The rest was up to players. And it was wonderful.Quote:
Originally Posted by BluexBird
Final Fantasy XIV is IMO the best of both worlds. We have years of spoon fed story and side quests and currencies to farm if we choose. And the venues and emotes and clothes in the game are set up perfectly to encourage player generated content too.
Other players ARE content.
This game is on a terrible state right now.
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04-26-2023, 04:04 AMXaruko_Nexume
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04-26-2023, 04:14 AMStormpeaksAnd here we have it folks, the ultimate excuse for the devs bringing barely any content at all in the span of 5 months, other players apparently are content, so why have any content at all ? you can just talk with other players anyway, why do we even need dungeons and raids ? just put us in a square room and let us talk, that's content after all right ?Quote:
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04-26-2023, 04:23 AMAvoidyThis approach was forced to change and evolve when online communication stopped being novel. I do remember that era of MMOs, where guildmates would log in just to talk to each other, but now people sign into discord for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume
For the people left behind, I don't think your perspective is realistic or a healthy approach for the game as a whole. If other players are the content, but those other players are quitting because they have nothing to do and don't want to spend 15 a month on nothing (as happens every expansion), then your content evaporates with them. For example, if you're like me and enjoy queuing up for orbonne to watch people die, then yeah, the people dying is your content, but if the queue never pops because there's nobody playing or bothering to run that stuff, then the content is gone. It's better for Square to at least lift a finger and offer some reason to log in and play, for people who can't get enjoyment from RP venues or whatever. -
04-26-2023, 04:24 AMXaruko_NexumeTo some people it absolutely is content, its called VR chat. But no one is asking for that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Stormpeaks
But we aren't in a square room just to chat are we? No one is advocating for that, even those like me who adore the social aspect of this and other MMORPG's. Otherwise I would just play a single player game. We do have many tank, healing, dps, crafting and gathering jobs. We have countless main story quests and side quests, exploratory zones, mounts minions, gear, and currencies to farm, extreme, savage, and ultimate raids etc. The core of Final Fantasy XIV "game" content still exists and there will certainly be much more of it in the future. But if we get more dance floors and things in that nature, thats obviously fine with a lot of the player base. T
heir content release schedule is still ahead of other AAA MMORPG's. Coming from WoW and some of the longest content draughts in an "on going subscription game" history, I just scratch my head when people complain about the content cadence in FFXIV. I think its great. Two years going and I still haven't ran out of things to do here and my alt character is only just about to start Stormblood. -
04-26-2023, 04:29 AMJeeqbitThat isn't true in the least. Have you not been doing any of the content?Quote:
Originally Posted by Namuh
We have had 3 new beast tribes, 1 new GATE, new pvp arenas and rewards, 2 new map dungeons, 11 dungeons, 2 alliance raids, 5 extremes, 8 savage raids, 2 ultimates, 1 variant dungeon, 1 criterion/savage dungeon, a new deep dungeon which includes 70 high-end floors and island sanctuary.
We are set to get 4 more savage raids, 2 more variant/criterion/savage dungeon, new blue mage content likely including a reason to do level 70/80 raids, a new alliance raid, another ocean fishing route and all their associated reward grinds for people who want to do them more than once and more dungeons and extremes. And some other things like new cards to get and new sidequests.
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04-26-2023, 04:30 AMXaruko_NexumeSorry if this ends up being a double post but im tired Lol. Maybe someday so many players will quit that even they are no longer content, but we are pretty far from that. I would cite the fact that Twitch and part finder are full of people at venues basically 24/7 So if I play this game for 5-10 years and it "runs out of players" well, thats a long time to play a game and I couldn't even be ad at that point.Quote:
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04-26-2023, 04:31 AMDiaDeemEeeh, I get what you're saying... but as much as you'll see me defend this game around these parts, and how frustrated I get with the average "Game Dead No Content" post... you're going too far here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume
First of all, it's not the early 2000s. MMOs have come a long way, and if all you needed to have fun in an MMO was other people, 1.0 would have been a massive success. The game sure is an amazing social platform, and I agree that there's a lot of content people tend to ignore, and we can argue about people going no-life and finishing all content in a single day, but to say that other players are content is stretching it. Variant Dungeons are somewhat filling a gap left by HM Dungeons, and not only do I hope they become a staple of every patch, but I hope HM dungeons and Exploratory Zones make a comeback as well, and not instead of one or the other. I wish we had new job quests to do, to see how our friends are doing and experiencing small fun stories tied to our jobs outside of the MSQ that aren't Alliance and Normal raids.
It's gonna be my 10th year anniversary of playing this game in September. Are you telling me that expecting a few more dungeons and some story for each of my jobs is "asking for too much"?
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04-26-2023, 04:40 AMR041Quote:
Originally Posted by Xaruko_Nexume
The old sandbox games had armies of GMs that managed constant world events. We didn't just sit AFK at the bank 24/7.
Also, it's not that the people were content because we chatted, they were content because we got to kill and farm them.
FFXIV Dungeon: (Queue pop) > *silence* ... > (Finish)
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04-26-2023, 04:41 AMAvoidyYeah I guess the clubbing people will always have something to do, but people who want to actually enjoy the gameplay element of the video game are constantly left with a room full of stuff and no reason to do it. Which is fine for some people. For example, I'll run orbonne just for fun; I don't even care about the rewards. But if other people need a reward for their time then they'll refuse to do content that has no reasoning behind it, and suddenly my ability to do orbonne gets diminished. Orbonne is just one example, but it's not hard to see how it can affect other elements as well. Looking at recent content like variant dungeons. There's no real reason to go in there, so when I ask friends to go, most are like "bro, why" and when I queue up it fills about 50% of the time, and most often I just wind up soloing it. As someone who agrees that people make up a lot of the fun in an online game, soloing content isn't enjoyable to me. I need people to want to play the game so that I can enjoy playing the game with those people. The designers of this content control the incentives surrounding it, and they could do a better job in this area. It's especially disheartening when we get new content with recycled glams (manalis) or timegated loot (every alliance raid on release), because that just makes less people want to do it after a certain point, which makes it harder for weirdos like me to jump in and do that stuff for fun.Quote:
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04-26-2023, 04:49 AMKaurhz
Always has been, and always will be.
- Dungeons have always been corridor simulators and those that haven't been designed as such, were treated as such, nobody really ever went for optional doors/paths for rarer loot e.g., Manor Varnish. henceforth why dungeons like that no longer exist. Their direction is a result of how people have treated the dungeons historically. It's all well and good posting a screenshot of Thousand Maws of Toto-Rak, but realistically most people were following the exact same path every time and would always go directly to the route of the boss. Same with all those lovely optional rooms and areas of Sastasha.
- Eureka was OK but it was still just a zoned, and abysmally slow FATE simulator. Yes, it was good for socializing because 90% of the experience was farming sponge monsters to pop a FATE. It has nice parts, but tut regardless, is still abysmally designed. It was an empty, disappointing, and utterly lifeless husk for Anemos and Pagos. If anything my only complaint is that some of the mechanics in the latter Eureka zones and Bozjan zones should be core in some fashion to overworld, and not a luxury.
- Most issues advertised as being exclusive to Endwalker, have been very longstanding issues. e.g., housing has always been an issue and has gone through several iterations to try and stampede some issues. Remember their last cookie clicker attempt that had people clicking for hours on end in an unhealthy fashion and number of people auto-clicking / botting in an attempt to win a house?
-More spaced-out content, whilst we get less, yes, is not to provide for more content nor is it a vehicle for laziness. It's just simply providing a better work/life culture. If people cannot take holidays when they want them due to potentially unrealistic schedules then that is an issue.
The game has legit always been this way and people thinking otherwise are just looking at older expansions with rose-tinted glasses and hardly seeing the picture objectively.