Delete rescue from the game.

Remember guys. DPS can stand in things and you'd better heal them. That's your job. They're allowed to make mistakes and you fix them.

Oh one of your abilities might inconvenience a DPS? How dare you. A healer's job is to sit back and play flight attendant. Do whatever it takes to make sure the DPS, the true protagonists of this game, are having fun.

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Originally Posted by Semirhage

Remember guys. DPS can stand in things and you'd better heal them. That's your job. They're allowed to make mistakes and you fix them.

Oh one of your abilities might inconvenience a DPS? How dare you. A healer's job is to sit back and play flight attendant. Do whatever it takes to make sure the DPS, the true protagonists of this game, are having fun.

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You know what's conveniant ? Ignoring every single argument one might lay down in a conversation and being sarcastic just for the sake of it. Your comment, as many others on this topic doesn't invalidate anything I've said. But I've taken note of your disagrement. And yes part of the healer job is to fix others mistakes, I know it might comes as a surprise for many people but yea it's part of it.

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Originally Posted by romah

I've got coutless exemple of what I'm supposedly doing wrong. See 2 days ago I got "The dead ends" dungeon in my roulette. Idk if you can picture the first boss, there's wind that moves aoe from on side to the other and most group tend to pull the boss to the edge where the wind is coming from for an easy dodge, again I'm a melee trying to play his job so I'm standing in the middle, behind the boss which doesn't change anything, you can dodge it just as well while in the middle or to the edge but this is the kind of situation where I'm getting pulled into an aoe by a healer who tries to "save" me.

Or another time I was running sohm al brutal as a tank, and I pulled everything into the smoke that comes from the ground so that the trash mobs would get that vuln up effect. The biggest mob in that pull (the green ones) targets random ppl for a dodgable conic aoe, and healer was standing ahead ready to zone into next area and the 1st boss, which caused those mob to target him for aoe and they kinda ran away from the rest of the pull (and the vuln up) so while I was trying to get them back in place I got rescued so I would be ready for the 1st boss I guess ? idk.

I've got coutless exemple that affects me as a player and not in a good way. If people are fine with being rescued and can learn h2p even tho they're getting carried and are fine with it, sure why not. But as far as I'm concerned I don't need a sprout healer pulling me for no reason because he thinks he knows better. rather than deleting the abilty, add an option to the game to refuse that help. Arm length is good but it's also good in other situations.

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Or you could....ya know, pop true north and group up with everyone else instead of making life harder for everyone during a mechanic that can kill you extremely fast.

Are you aware that it’s pretty much one of the last few vestiges of high end healer optimisation left in the game right? (Outside of spreadsheeting CDs to min max glares ofc zzzzzz).

Not to mention, healers already have a chronic shortage of things to do in mainstream content. Axing even more of that is never going to go down well.

Fixing others mistakes is all well and good when it comes with some degree of satisfaction or impact, but we really don’t get any of that as things are.

Even if someone does abuse it once in a while, who cares, deal with it and get over yourself. Try dying in a Plane of Fear Everquest raid circa 2000ish. That’s a death that genuinely sucks. You’d think dying to rescues in this game slams you with the adventurer plate of the person who towed you to your doom flipping you off. Laughable. ;)

@Ransu That's true, but as a fellow samurai main, you know we actually use our 1st stack of true north right on pull, the 2nd can easily be spent because tank has poor positioning as someone mentioned already among the inconveniences. But forget about that. I reach the same conclusion when someone tells me to use arm lenght to counter the rescue. I don't see why I should be using ressources to fight others players abilities or incomprehension of the game.

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Originally Posted by Sebazy

Are you aware that it’s pretty much one of the last few vestiges of high end healer optimisation left in the game right? (Outside of spreadsheeting CDs to min max glares ofc zzzzzz).

Not to mention, healers already have a chronic shortage of things to do in mainstream content. Axing even more of that is never going to go down well.

Fixing others mistakes is all well and good when it comes with some degree of satisfaction or impact, but we really don’t get any of that as things are.

Even if someone does abuse it once in a while, who cares, deal with it and get over yourself. Try dying in a Plane of Fear Everquest raid circa 2000ish. That’s a death that genuinely sucks. You’d think dying to rescues in this game slams you with the adventurer plate of the person who towed you to your doom flipping you off. Laughable. ;)

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You do make a valid point. Even though I can't say I like the way it's presented. I can deal with it and get over myself. As a matter of fact, I do most of the time. I was hoping this topic would not turn the way it did and while I still think an option to disable rescue attempts would be needed, I'm not going to argue any further. Mutual respect already died here.

@romah

I can see the first Dead Ends example giving the healer a heart attack. Even though the disease attacks can be Esuna-ed to get rid of the status, it still hits pretty hard on your HP too. Usually a DPS is gonna die if they get hit by 2 of those disease explosions. Personally, I do not worry about it as much since it is rare for DPS to get hit by 2 explosions and can survive as long as I use the Esuna. Plus I am typically using White Mage a lot, so Thin Air very often gets used to cast a free Raise. The only other spell I use it on to make free is Medica 2 anyways and the Assize + Afflatus Rapture combo as well as Asylum tends to get used first. As for what the melee DPS can do, it would be safest to still follow the group due to the potential burst HP hits. Pop "True North" to still ensure Gekko and Kasha still hits as hard as they should.

The Sohm Al situation looked like a healer who wanted a bigger pull. Although this situation I am not familiar with since I am usually the healer in question. I tend to also wander a teeny bit ahead of the tank to let them know I can handle more enemies pulled. I am not forceful about it though since we are sometimes flat out wrong with a lower dungeon not letting us pull more anyways (/looking at lvl 80 Heroes' Gauntlet). If the tank is still not moving, I will just commence placing a Regen on the tank, placing Dia / Aero DoTs accordingly while spamming blinding Holy confetti stuns on the enemies. Unfortunately, not much can be done here if you already made a reasonably big pull. It's kind of why they are trying to require PvE Mentors to complete the role quests done throughout the 3 main roles of tank, healer and DPS. Some players keep saying enemy threat / enmity is brain dead easy, but they are completely missing the point. It's the initial pull of herding enemies together we are usually talking about. If anyone accidentally yanked an enemy friend from the initial pull, drag it to the tank instead of running away with it :P In fact, one of my FC members used Rescue on a person who didn't drag their enemy to me when I was tanking a big Dead Ends pull near the 3rd boss.

I wasn't meaning to say I would agree with deleting Rescue since it could potentially have some good uses if we compare to Warcraft's "Leap of Faith" for Priests. Highest use was someone standing outside the boss arena with everyone waiting for them to get it ... which can't work here since we have to be in combat for it to work. Another was a tank going into a snake pit to activate a switch and I used Leap of Faith to allow them to skip the long stairways back up. Warcraft does have some engineering items crafted that grants immunity to these effects. I don't see it widely used, but it is there as a fail-safe since there are a few players trying to cause troll deaths on boss encounters. Maybe it can be something for Blacksmiths to make?

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Mutual respect already died here.

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I look forward to the fresh thread about that death as well++ ;)

Might as well ban Healers because you had a Healer who didn't heal, or Tanks because you had a tank that refused to use stance and/or pull aggro.

Any gameplay mechanic can be abused, if nothing else by virtue of NOT being used nor done; that doesn't mean you should take away the ability from people who earnestly use them properly, or try to. And if a person does it maliciously? I mean, it's pretty obvious if you get pulled off an edge or something with no possible justification, yeah? So you do what you do with/for any other disruptive player, votekick them...?

As for the anecdotes of "sprout trying to hard to rescue me and ruined my rotation!!!"... do you also rage and report sprouts who are too slow to notice and dodge a mechanic? Healer sprouts who can't spot and recover a mistake quickly enough? Tank sprouts who accidentally pull one-too-many mobs for however many mits they have off cooldown? Made a mistake, BAN THEM!

It couldn't possibly be that they're just earnestly trying to help and didn't realize there was a reason you were doing whatever you were doing (or not doing).

Note this is not an unironic defense of sprouts NEVER learning. I do think there is a bit too much forgiveness levied towards people, especially like... Call it HW onward? who fail to grasp even basic mechanics.

However, I don't think it's reasonable to enter enrage state because a person is trying to implement higher level mechanics like rescuing. Again, obviously malicious, fine. But if you're aware enough of why they would feel the need to rescue you that you have a whole writeup about how you're actually big brained because you're safe in that particular pixel behind the boss, you're obviously aware that there's some major tell that inexperienced players would be spooked by first, and assume YOURE the wrong one. At which point, that's your place to explain to them why "I was actually fine because XYZ, just for future reference "

If OP's a SAM main, Gyoten's potency-per-kenki is equal to Shinten now, so uhh, we can just gapclose if its that big a deal? Same for MNK with Thunderclap or RPR with Hell's Whatsit

Not trying to be rude, but yeh, just like how the healer has these 'tools' they're apparently misusing, melee have tools to counteract it very easily. In fact, melee are the best equipped to counteract Rescue shenanigans (except DRG kinda)