Easiest class rankings?

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Originally Posted by Mithron

Why do people consider NIN so hard? I've always found it to be the easiest melee personally, it's my go-to when I want to play melee or learn new fights on. I can execute and optimize it far easier than any of the other 4 melee by a significant margin. Obviously difficulty is subjective but NIN is just single weaving constantly and minimal positionals, what are people finding difficult? I know SAM on a base level feels easier, but I find optimizing it much more difficult than NIN personally.

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Nin is my main. I agree, I don't find it hard to play/optimise, as I practiced my A off to get the opener + rotation just right, and squeezing in that last raiton+raiju in my buffs. But then put me on my BLM and it's a nightmare for me.

I think this also comes down to not only muscle memory but the way u arrange your hotbar buttons to allow for a flow of Button presses that almost feels like you are building to a crescendo.

I've adjusted my hotbar for my nin in such a way that the rotation flows really nicely for me. No button is too far from each other for the opener.

And I would assume the same would go for a BLM main. They prob have a set up that makes their job feel as easy as my nin feels to me.

So much for community consensus : popcorn :

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Originally Posted by FireMage

What I stated was factual. Has no baring on what I play

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Can you find a new gimmick?
this is getting old.
Opinions are not fact man

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Ninja has to use its mudras at very exact times in its rotation, it can't just disengage and do a raiton. Your logic there is like saying Samurai has 100% uptime because it has enpi

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It is OPTIMAL to use mudra under buffs

However you shouldn't be losing a GCD to get a 5% bonus inside trick.

You should be trying to use your necessary suiton cast with downtime, and if that is not possible, go ahead and use a raiton.

There is no reason why a NIN should be missing a single GCD ever.

It's a negligible loss, especially considering that GCD will be replaced with a weapon skill under trick and/or buffs, negating part of the loss.

It is completely not comparable to using a ranged GCD on another melee lol.

Personally. I find jobs with high apm (Gnb/Nin) and proc based jobs (Brd/Dnc) more difficult.

High apm equals higher chance for a personal mistake. Proc based jobs take attention away for mechanics.

I’m sure if I played the job for 100 hours in high end content I could grasp the concept but I’d rather stick with comfortability.

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Originally Posted by Aurora428

It is OPTIMAL to use mudra under buffs

However you shouldn't be losing a GCD to get a 5% bonus inside trick.

You should be trying to use your necessary suiton cast with downtime, and if that is not possible, go ahead and use a raiton.

There is no reason why a NIN should be missing a single GCD ever.

It's a negligible loss, especially considering that GCD will be replaced with a weapon skill under trick and/or buffs, negating part of the loss.

It is completely not comparable to using a ranged GCD on another melee lol.

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You lose a raiton and a kaiju in the trick attack window by using it as you suggest which means you lost over 120 potency, more than that if it's leading into the two minute window where mug and other raid buffs will also be up. So unless you have to disengage at a point where you'd be using suiton to set up the next trick attack anyway, you're better off using dagger throw. This means it is exactly comparable to using a ranged GCD.

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Originally Posted by Reimmi

Opinions are not fact man

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This is true, and I didn't state an opinion, ergo...

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Originally Posted by wereotter

You lose a raiton and a kaiju in the trick attack window by using it as you suggest which means you lost over 120 potency, more than that if it's leading into the two minute window where mug and other raid buffs will also be up. So unless you have to disengage at a point where you'd be using suiton to set up the next trick attack anyway, you're better off using dagger throw. This means it is exactly comparable to using a ranged GCD.

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No, because the non-raiton or kaiju GCDs will be replaced with normal weapon skills lol. The loss is nowhere near that exaggerated.

You aren't just sitting there doing nothing in trick

Please, please, PLEASE read The Balance before spreading misinformation on jobs.

It literally says:

Suiton within 20s of burst>phantom kamaitachi>raiton>dagger throw

You aren't losing 120 potency, you're still using DIFFERENT GCDs under trick which still benefit

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Originally Posted by wereotter

Ninja has to use its mudras at very exact times in its rotation, it can't just disengage and do a raiton. Your logic there is like saying Samurai has 100% uptime because it has enpi

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I'll say for this tier its been very forgiving for the few times where you may have to potentially disengage mainly because its either during a period where you would have to put up suiton anyways and/or you have Phantom up. The only real painful disengages is if its DPS out on the second exchange of agonies because trick should be coming off cd within 3ish seconds before the aoe goes off, whichever forbidden fruit in p7s with the 3 minotaurs and the bull/yak if you have to stretch your tether to the south platform, Dog 2 on door boss since its after a burst window and you're mudras are down (even then its 1 GCD at most). Even then, using a raiton for disengage is still a better gain than just chucking a throwing dagger and holding it for trick.

Easiest: whatever you play.
Hardest: whatever I play.