Why was the change in Jump/Mirage Dive reversed?

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Well, haha, sucks to be you! We've managed to force SE to back off from lobotomizing a job and handing it to the thumbless casuals for once. We've already lost plenty to you. You can go play something "easier", like SMN, or RPR, or SAM, or any of the healers, or WAR, or the second WAR...

This battle is ours, even though I know that your ilk will never stop whining until we lose everything.

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What even is this take lol.


I didn't like the merge, but your reasoning is terrible. Job flow is more important than perceived complexity. SAM feels awful because 6.0 changes ruined the job flow, not kaiten removal.


Also, isn't rdm one of the "easier" jobs?

You seem to have quite the ego lol....

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

Too many skills?

I have room left on my hotbars, just barely. Less than 36 including role skills.

Most older jobs have that many. Almost all of them actually.

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Yes for the controller cross bar there are to many skills. Changing to different bars takes different button presses or double taps to bring up the extended bars. And in crazy complicated fights thats not always easy to manage and move around. Elusive jump is nearly pointless so it gets buried on a 3rd screen. Dragon sight is annoying to use as you have to click on another person before you can use it. And if they are not in range it doesnt work, or didnt use to. Its updated and can be used solo now but thats not good for how it is supposed to be used. Role actions are the worst as most of them are very situational and not needed most of the time so when i want to use them they are hidden away on an inconvenient screen to access because other actions are used more and need higher priority so no muscle memory for them.

Fang and claw and wheeling thrust should be combined too, they do the same thing and most big boss battles you really dont get to decide if your on the side or the back

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

Dragon sight is annoying to use as you have to click on another person before you can use it.

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I recommend making a macro for Dragonsight if it's possible on console, might alleviate your pain a bit.

*cough* Even though DRG should never have had that support role ability *cough*.

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Originally Posted by Valkyrie_Lenneth

You had plenty of time to support the change after 6.1. Most of us who play the job in raid content didn't like it. Hence the reversion. If they didn't have a significant amount of feedback to that effect, they wouldn't have gone back.

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Well, people take good changes for granted (And don't expect them to be reversed in one patch), so those tend to be a "silent majority" case.
What will you see more this patch: PLD mains thanking the buffs or MCH mains having a meltdown over the nerfs?
Your comment would make sense if FFXIV worked like OSRS polls, alas, it does not.

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Originally Posted by Azuri

Well, haha, sucks to be you! We've managed to force SE to back off from lobotomizing a job and handing it to the thumbless casuals for once. We've already lost plenty to you. You can go play something "easier", like SMN, or RPR, or SAM, or any of the healers, or WAR, or the second WAR...

This battle is ours, even though I know that your ilk will never stop whining until we lose everything.

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<Grass> <Do you touch it?>

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Originally Posted by Ransu

Generally speaking no, you don't want to use mirage dive right away. During the opener for example you'd hold it and weave it with life surge. That said, its still not an issue for controller players and DRG players wanted the change reverted because it made it annoying to weave.

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why is that?
so it lines up nicely for later?

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Originally Posted by Blindheart

Dragon sight is annoying to use as you have to click on another person before you can use it.

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Eh, I just macro it

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Originally Posted by Sky_Sumisu

Well, people take good changes for granted (And don't expect them to be reversed in one patch), so those tend to be a "silent majority" case.
What will you see more this patch: PLD mains thanking the buffs or MCH mains having a meltdown over the nerfs?
Your comment would make sense if FFXIV worked like OSRS polls, alas, it does not.

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how do you even support a good change?