I don't see why, instead of chest conditions depending on speed runs, SE decided to change chest conditions to be dependent on number of mobs killed/spawned/mob families eliminated etc. Make us hunt those chests down...
From a player mentality perspective, It would also be nice if dungeon mobs gave 5 GC seals per kill. In an evening of a few runs that would stack up quite a bit. That would entice parties to farm more.
Another issue is no one really uses dungeons for xp, which is the point of most trash mobs. Thats a design fault. SE could have implemented permanent Guardian Aspect in dungeons to entice parties over to them.
No more timers on Dungeons/Raids for new content please!
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05-29-2012, 06:51 AMAltanas
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05-29-2012, 07:39 AMValmonteSo far as i know, all drops in this game serve a purpose for crafting. take the ghosts in Darkhold for instance they drop alot of velveteen cloth, right now i could use all of that i can get. however Speed runs get in the way of killing every mob.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alhanelem
I'd much rather be rewarded For clearing a dungeon(All mobs defeated, All Chests Found=Cleared) than for blazing through it -
05-29-2012, 07:56 AMDuelleOnly so long as they get rewarded for rushing through content. There's a couple of ways to fix it, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by indira
Remove timers. Remove speed runs. Un-leash all mobs inside dungeons (by this I mean is that they'll forever chase you instead of returning to their territorty after a while). Put multiple bosses per dungeon with their own loot tables and just get rid of the silly chests.
Seriously, Darkhold should not be "run to beacon. Heal tank. Keep running to next beacon. Heal tank again. Keep running to next beacon. Rinse, repeat."
Should vary per dungeon, especially given each story the dungeons have. Like darkhold with the whole thing about beasts from the nether showing up without stop. Instead of making all vanish when you reach each beacon, what I would do is have mobs constantly respawn as you're fighting them, and the only way to get them to stop respawning is reaching the beacon, leaving you with a bunch of mobs to finish off to clear that part of the dungeon before you move on. Granted, they'd have to come up with something else to not make it so dull and repetitive for every part of Darkhold, but it's a step forward from what we currently have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmonte
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05-29-2012, 08:41 AMMalakii
the problem with these timers is yeah it creates a small cheap way to create difficulty but, imo not boss mob of a dungeon should be able to be down in 2:00 or less. This is ridiculous that just using a time clock is the only difficulty challenge SE can give us.
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05-29-2012, 08:43 AMMoiren
I think is ok to have a timer.
What I dont like is the speedrun trend (if you agree, then like/reply to this! http://forum.square-enix.com/ffxiv/t...trend?p=649722 ) and the fact that, since there's no 48h+ cooldown, SE did make the items' droprate abysmal, so you have "things to do"... too bad that means you have to spam the same content in the same way over and over and over.
Long cooldowns and better droprates would be better imho. I think one of the best model was FFXI's Limbus: you had to do more "dungeons" to farm all the "keys" for the final one (all shared the same CDs, but you could split parties since with "cast lots" you could give the keys to the same person), where there was a megaboss which always used to drop 2 items (even same ones... hi2u Zucchetto x2! D:) 100% of the times. -
05-29-2012, 09:00 AMMicahZerrshia
We need timers. Think of Nyzul Isle, Assault, Dyna or MMM with no timers, lol.
If you take away timers may as well just make it an open world dungeon. There would be very little different between DD or CC and just another map if you took the timers out of the equation.
And if you are timing out on our current raids (unless you are new and just learning them of course), you need to rethink a few things -
05-29-2012, 09:36 AMNoirQuote:
Originally Posted by FlowerPower
You must be new. Let me explain. They put timers because there is a limit to the number of parties that can enter the instances. You don't want to get a message: " can't enter server loaded" ever time do you? Because that's what's gonna happen if they take timers off. 2.0 prolly won't have them., or will have a mix, simply because it's another engine and allows more players into the same area. -
05-29-2012, 10:23 AMDuelleThat's indeed fault of the server architecture and most likely the fact that the game engine probably cannot support a dedicated instance server. Doesn't make it good or right, though. Now if 2.0 doesn't have a dedicated instance server, I'm going to be very dissapointed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Noir
Lame events with no real mechanics. And I mean Real Mechanics, as in moves to be avoided without Stoneskin or Utsusemi or Perfect Defense, environmental hazzards (lava geisers, void zones, poison walls), temporary weapons that can be used only during the fight, not to mention temporary buffs that are part of the encounter that make it beatable.Quote:
We need timers. Think of Nyzul Isle, Assault, Dyna or MMM with no timers, lol.
My dislike for XI's events aside, you can't compare dungeon runs to Nyzul et al. It's not much of a valid comparison given that they served very different purposes. -
05-29-2012, 10:29 AMNiqote^thisQuote:
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05-29-2012, 02:00 PMAlhanelemI would not want to play a dungeon where you had to kill every single monster to get a reward.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valmonte
Trash mobs are distractions, mooks designed to wear you down and slow you down. Any way you can avoid them, you're supposed to. If you want to kill them, just kill them outside on your own time. It's not like there aren't any ghosts anywhere else. Either that or take a few like-minded friends to farm the trash mobs. There's no thought or strategy in killing every weak grunt on the way to the back of the big boss's hideout.